Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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SirMattlives said:
What a thread. People claiming the new structure is toothless, clueless and worse because they won't sack EtH today (at a regularly scheduled meeting) or that Ruud would be a good interim (wait what? A United legend, he did well for a little while in Holland? And came here to improve our strikers... oh right), or that fans are giving up on the club? Give up then if that's how you back the team Having supported United through relegation (and would again) not to mention some pretty dire seasons over the last 50 years, I'm amazed people think firing ten Hag a few games after giving him their backing following a review would seem anything other than clueless and reactionary. I don't want a reaction from SJR and co based on media mayhem and fan outrage, I want rational decisions based on a long-term plan. We are continually reminded that they have one. Maybe we'd all like to be personally informed what that is but it doesn't work like this. By all means be open to change, but do so with a clear eye on the right coach and the right coach after that if necessary given our new set up, not on who's there now or who's available. Yes we're in trough and I am as ftrustated as everyone else at the way we're playing and how EtH seems unable to explain what he's doing, but I think sacking now and appointing Tuchel when he apparently was not the best fit in June, or worse, Southgate or Ruud, would not suggest the plan has much thought put into it.
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How about we just live for the now to ensure we are in the best position to improve next season and start the process off again in the summer.

All this mythical long term plan and great fans who witnessed us being relegated in yesteryear means diddly squat.

The manager had ran his course and failed. Its time for someone new to take the reign and if they cannot do this with us keeping continuity with this “long term plan” then maybe Ashworth and Berarda aren’t fit for purpose too.
 
Toshey said:
ETH brought us to a level where most of us agree that it's more likely that United loses to Brendtford than to actually win.
And we also agree that any win would be painful, lucky and decided by individual moment.

THIS is how far we've fallen.
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Not expecting relegation though. So quite some way to go yet.

Uncle Mainoo said:
How about we just live for the now to ensure we are in the best position to improve next season and start the process off again in the summer.

All this mythical long term plan and great fans who witnessed us being relegated in yesteryear means diddly squat.

The manager had ran his course and failed. Its time for someone new to take the reign and if they cannot do this with us keeping continuity with this “long term plan” then maybe Ashworth and Berarda aren’t fit for purpose too.
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Ashworth and Berrada have barely had time to set up their home office. It's hardly their fault.
 
SirMattlives said:
What a thread. People claiming the new structure is toothless, clueless and worse because they won't sack EtH today (at a regularly scheduled meeting) or that Ruud would be a good interim (wait what? A United legend, he did well for a little while in Holland? And came here to improve our strikers... oh right), or that fans are giving up on the club? Give up then if that's how you back the team Having supported United through relegation (and would again) not to mention some pretty dire seasons over the last 50 years, I'm amazed people think firing ten Hag a few games after giving him their backing following a review would seem anything other than clueless and reactionary. I don't want a reaction from SJR and co based on media mayhem and fan outrage, I want rational decisions based on a long-term plan. We are continually reminded that they have one. Maybe we'd all like to be personally informed what that is but it doesn't work like this. By all means be open to change, but do so with a clear eye on the right coach and the right coach after that if necessary given our new set up, not on who's there now or who's available. Yes we're in trough and I am as ftrustated as everyone else at the way we're playing and how EtH seems unable to explain what he's doing, but I think sacking now and appointing Tuchel when he apparently was not the best fit in June, or worse, Southgate or Ruud, would not suggest the plan has much thought put into it.
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Plans change mate.
 
It definitely seems that they are giving Ten Hag a much longer rope.

If the decision has been made to sack , the press would have leaked it by now.
 
Laurencio said:
Not expecting relegation though. So quite some way to go yet.



Ashworth and Berrada have barely had time to set up their home office. It's hardly their fault.
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Settling up a new academy structure sure. Deciding on who should coach the first team and what style of manager they want doesn’t take 6-12 months. I can do it in the week. Hire me if they have too.
 
Sarni said:
We will need to stand firmly behind him if that happens. Need to show him support. We are Erik's red and white army.
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You’ll be on your own there mate ….just yourself and Erik very romantic
 
Regardless of who the manager is; if our players don’t exact revenge on Brentford, we deserve where we are.

The last game against Brentford was our worst performance last season by far. We lost the duels, didn’t press as a unit, did not track back and turned over the ball continuously.

I think what we expect at the minimum from our players is a fighting spirit, hard work and to not be an idiot. It should not be hard to improve on that performance.
 
What's scary is that we have only played Liverpool at Home and have yet to come up against City Arsenal or even Newcastle Chelsea
 
At this point, you do have to think the sacking is inevitable.

Perhaps they are using this time till the next international break to advance discussions with the targets.

It should not be that there's a minor uptick in form and then he gets more money to spend.
 
RedinIndia said:
At this point, you do have to think the sacking is inevitable.

Perhaps they are using this time till the next international break to advance discussions with the targets.

It should not be that there's a minor uptick in form and then he gets more money to spend.
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Still no reason not to sack him and appoint someone like Ruud as an interim
 
Bastian said:
When is this interview from?
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I think he went to India for some ayurveda rejuvenation in the southern state of Kerala and to spend some time alone with his partner after his sacking at Chelsea.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
Settling up a new academy structure sure. Deciding on who should coach the first team and what style of manager they want doesn’t take 6-12 months. I can do it in the week. Hire me if they have too.
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They've been in their positions for two months...

DJ_21 said:
Being dragged on this. When’s the meeting end?
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After dinner, but before the evening drinks?
 
Judas said:
Why are you still doing this gimmick? Does it mentally make you feel more fulfilled or what?
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I’m not really, everyone knows I’m ETH out and have been clear about that for weeks. Just find the whole situation annoying and need to vent here and there.
 
What I’m seeing is Ratcliffe likes Tuchel and would have hired him already in the summer but Omar and Ashworth don’t want to sack a manager they’ve backed. I don’t get who gets the final say the actual owners or the footballing people that have been put in charge?
 
Wilt said:
You’ll be on your own there mate ….just yourself and Erik very romantic
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Nah I’m fully EtH out. I think match going fans will largely support him still, remember he got quite a bit of applause after Newcastle game last year when he was doing his end of season stand up.
 
Sarni said:
Nah I’m fully EtH out. I think match going fans will largely support him still, remember he got quite a bit of applause after Newcastle game last year when he was doing his end of season stand up.
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I don't think, I think they'll support the team (at first) - but his name isn't really being sung or anything like that. He gets some gentle applause when he walks out of the tunnel before the game, but thats about it.

If the Spurs game is anything to go by, if the game isn't going our way then it's not really a pleasent atmosphere.
 
DJ_21 said:
What I’m seeing is Ratcliffe likes Tuchel and would have hired him already in the summer but Omar and Ashworth don’t want to sack a manager they’ve backed. I don’t get who gets the final say the actual owners or the footballing people that have been put in charge?
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It's a three way vote between Ratcliffe, Joel Glazer and Dave Brailsford. In all likelihood the football people recommended replacing Ten Hag in their report this summer, and explored alternatives - which is why every single press outlet in the country went out and said he would be done regardless of what happened during the final - but the decision-makers didn't want to make a perceived unpopular decision by sacking a FA Cup winning manager.
 
Big day today. Basically a public announcement of weather the club cares about football performance under the new ownership.

Under the Glazers they admitted they didn't.

If we keep ETH that's Ineos admitting they don't either. So it's a big fecking day all things considered
 
laughtersassassin said:
Big day today. Basically a public announcement of weather the club cares about football performance under the new ownership.

Under the Glazers they admitted they didn't.

If we keep ETH that's Ineos admitting they don't either. So it's a big fecking day all things considered
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When you put it like that.. agreed.
 
They'll be hoping that he can somehow claw a 4th place finish. It's not impossible due to only being 6 points behind.

It's looking like it'll be a fight for 4th between Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and United. The last two being outside bets at the moment.

The standards are so low... that a 4th place finish on around 67 points would be seen as an achievement 3 years in.

Horrible situation to be in as a fan. Being stuck with a manger many don't like or respect. But a portion of the fanbase brought this on themselves.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
They'll be hoping that he can somehow claw a 4th place finish. It's not impossible due to only being 6 points behind.

It's looking like it'll be a fight for 4th between Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and United. The last two being outside bets at the moment.

The standards are so low... that a 4th place finish on around 67 points would be seen as an achievement 3 years in.

Horrible situation to be in as a fan. Being stuck with a manger many don't like or respect. But a portion of the fanbase brought this on themselves.
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It's not impossible to finish 4th for a competent coach. Under Ten Hag we're getting nowhere near 4th. It's not even like we've had a tough start to the season.

Even the owners won't be able to ignore how bad our form has been for the last 18 months.
 
I don’t think he’s getting sacked. If he was there would be news coming out. Every journalist is just guessing.
 
kaku06 said:
I don’t think he’s getting sacked. If he was there would be news coming out. Every journalist is just guessing.
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Well, until the meeting is done absolutely nobody outside of that room is going to know.
 
There's no way he's getting the boot two months in a new season after they publicly backed him and renewed his contract in the summer. It will be a results need to improve but we believe we have the right team in place to achieve them, or words to that effect.
 
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