If 2nd vs 4th on xg is 'ridiculously lucky' where would you put 3rd vs 6th on xg 22/23 and 8th vs 14th last season.
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Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Different levels.
Yeah ETH is shite too.....
So he didn’t get what ETH now as… people deciding on what type of player we need and what position.
They are their choices
Bring Carrick back, bench Casemiro and promote Evan’s to captain the team for the rest of the season.
ETH is shite too? What's your point? He spent close to 400m ffs.
It would of course help if there was a certain "spine" of the team. One that always played and certain players who were always reliable.
If I was the manager I'd say Martinez should be that + Mainoo and Garnacho. Bruno is of course a pivotal player too.
I know he is. Oles football was better without the backing of proper footballing people. That’s my point
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Sacking him is publicly admitting the summer was botched so of course they don't want to sack him.
His football wasn't actually particularly good. People are looking back at scorelines and fondly remembering it. In real time time, there was a massive divide about his reign.
And backing from footballing people? Who - the Ugarte signing? Because every other signing looks handpicked by ETH. We ended up in a mess twice by letting Ole and ETH handpick signings.
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We had managers who were proven winners at the highest level like LVG and Mourinho and they werent successful. We had Ole who had very limited experience managing at the highest level and he wasnt successful either. We also had Moyes who had proven PL experience and he wasnt successful either.
When I see some of the names mentioned as potential replacements for Ten Hag in the other thread, they dont inspire confidence. Names like Potter, Southgate, McKena, Amorim, DeZerbi, Unai Emery, Thomas Frank and even Ole (again) dont fill me with optimism they can bring us back to the top. Tuchel has managed and won trophies at the highest level but he would come with his own baggage. I am not sure Zidane wants to manage in England.
We will have to wait and see. I just hope INEOS bring Utd out of this mess whether with ten Hag or someone else. Its been too long for this great club to be lost in the wilderness.
Most managers aren't successful including the ones that used to be, that's why pretty much all top clubs cycle through managers. The reality of the matter is that United appointed managers that weren't good enough at the time of their appointment, it happens to all clubs, the good ones recognize and rectify it quickly, the others fail to recognize it or have no clue about why the manager failed and repeat the same mistake.
And it's fair to take into account potential candidates short coming but you need to keep in mind that ETH is worse than all of them simply because he has proven to not be adequate for more than two years. The others could prove to be as bad but it is unknown while we know exactly what ETH is.
Do you really think they were not involved in some way in the decision to keep him? That’s a bit naive.
We were awful that game and a sign of things to come, so why not. He needs to go, when doesn’t really matter
They weren’t at the club and weren’t working with him
Ten Hag is not the worst Utd manager in modern era even if we forget Moyes, LVG and Ole. In 10 years my kids wont know we finished in the top four twice under Ole but they will know we won two trophies under ten Hag. And its too early to say DeLigt, Ugarte, Zirkzee, Mazraou and Yoro (who hasnt played yet) as shit players. Dont you think?
Poor Yoro. Hasn’t even played yet.
Has to be tomorrow right?
On a sidenote all the managers that have followed SAF have something in common, they have been inflexible, unwilling to adapt to what they have. That's probably a flaw in our recruitement process.
Lets hope so.
You're presuming a lot. But let's hope they used their time wisely.
He is the Utd manager now and I want him to be successful because that means Utd is also successful. Just out of curiosity why did you refer to him as 'some Dutch bloke'? Does his nationality matter to you? Personally I dont care about the nationality of our players or managers as long as they bring success to Utd.
Yep. That's a possibility.
I don't agree. Going back 20 years, I remember our 09-10 season in a far more positive light than our 03-04 season. I have a far fonder memory Jose's 17-18 than LVG's 2016 FA cup win. Why? Because you can't simply forget how you felt watching us play. Arsenal fans barely remember any of the FA cups they've won in the past 15 years, but I can guarantee the last 2-3 seasons of challenging City will be remembered in a much better light. Ask Liverpool fans if they'd prefer every 2nd place title challenge they had against City over a Carabao cup or FA Cup win the 2000's and I guarantee you will get almost no votes for the FA Cup or Carabao cup.
Good point. But it needs to said, that the task became more and more difficult as the squad deteriorated more and more into an assembly of big names and big promise but without hard work and right mentality. Also I think, Ole doesn't really suit your point in being unwilling to adapt - with him it was rather his inability to adapt (or recognize the issues).
Aye, but if we engage with your analogy, it's not sinking, it's rudderless, and lifeboats are often rudderless by design.
Because I still believe hes a good coach and can turn things around. I am not arguing that he shouldnt be sacked at all but I want him to be given some time. Lets see how the next few games go if hes not sacked tomorrow.
Yeah if this is true, then it is very worrying and INEOS are absolute clowns.
We got a new manager bounce each time we sacked a manager before Christmas.
Ole went 12 PL games in a row without losing.
Carrick/Rangnick only lost 1 of our next 19 games after Ole was sacked. Stopped the bleeding.
I'd expect an upturn in results under any interim.
Yeah, they were steps to being us here. We need more than a bounce.
You mean subjectively.
Objectively, he’s been more successful only by some metrics (domestic cups), whilst being less successful by other metrics (league and Europe).
But how you weight those different things, along with various other factors (eg playing style, squad investment) to make an overall conclusion is entirely subjective. You can’t just decide that the metrics you’re using are the only ones that matter and therefore proclaim your stance to be objective - because doing that is itself inherently subjective.
Oh don't start bringing up this crap again. You have no idea if things would be better right now if we'd been bought by Jassim instead ffs.
The squad has never been an assembly of big names, that one is a total fallacy. And it definitely applies to Ole who had his favorites who could play absolute trash and still start week in week out, he also refused to rotate the team in spite of the fact that he experienced a catastrophic series of muscular injuries during his interim after playing the same 11 into the ground.
Surely INEOS realise that even if we go on a run (like 2-3 wins in a row lol), it will come crashing down hard.
He’s not getting sacked, yet. Make your peace with it. The band of clowns got together and decided to back him. Never got the feeling especially after seeing his reaction, mannerisms today that he’s getting the boot.
I'm happy enough to see some standards set by INEOS, which would be sacking him.
I'm not demanding anything else. It's up to them to find a permanent replacement during the interim spell. That's all we can ask.
Anyway, I'm starting to accept that he'll probably see the season out. He'll pick up a few results at some point. It's bad enough being 6 points behind 4th after 7 games, yet nobody even seems to care that we're 10 points behind 1st after three pre-seasons and over 600 million spent on players. 4th is basically seen as a trophy now.
Crazy times.
Lets say ten Hag gets sacked now. Who do you think should replace him and do you believe his replacement would bring us back to the glory days? Or will we continue the cycle of giving each new manager two years and if they dont succeed sack them and find another until we find the successful one? Even if ten Hag is to go now I worry about whether we will the right manager, support him and be patient enough for him to build the winning team.
The only saving grace is that they have access to data that makes this make sense.
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