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I would rather listen to Trump than to this guy.
Obviously I am not trolling. I value my time too much to spend it on a football forum just to troll others. I am simply defending the manager of the club that I dearly support.
It’s gotten so bad that I think I’d do a better job. Or my dad. It’s genuinely amateur hour with the Pep Guardiola is my idol in charge.We could have put anyone in the caf in charge for this season and the results wouldn't have been worse.
Except there's zero sign we're improving under ETH. On the contrary, we have literally gone backwards in every metric since his first season.Because they stuck with their manager through the tough times and allowed him to build. Just saying, I know you’ll be triggered.
The decision was made to stick with him before Berrada and Ashworth were appointed.In the summer after evaluating his football last season.
Good point. There’s certainly an air of “well that’s not how we do things at United” as an attitude towards a lot of things, which seems to damage decision making processes.Big, big issue at this club. Extends to fans too. Everyone seems to be more concerned with "optics" than doing what's required. I have held a theory that "back the manager" and "the united way" and the way sections of the United fanbase irrationally hold on to those notions are largely exercises on "not wanting to be like them other clubs." Nonsensical dogmas. Other clubs chop and change managers til they find one that works - at United sacking a manager has to be a ponderous process regardless of how awful or bad we're doing. We're 14th on the table, and there's people in this thread talking about "I want him sacked but only for the right manager" - what the feck does that even mean? Almost as bad as "we need to see him under a proper footballing structure" - when we're getting ran ragged by any team with a pulse and finishing 8th.
And this guy still gets applauded off the pitch at OT regardless of what shite he dishes out. Club just doesn't have that dawg in them.
Yes I am. There's such a thing called an interim manager that's literally designed for that exact situation. My argument is that it would be very hard to do any worse than we currently are under RvN for instance. I don't see what you find so ridiculous about that idea.Are you really asking how sacking somebody with no idea who is replacing them is nuts?
The decision was made to stick with him before Berrada and Ashworth were appointed.
Look, no one is happy with how things are but it’s obvious INEOS wanted to assemble their team and let them review Ten Hag and make any subsequent decisions on him. Unfortunately Berrada couldn’t start until July due to his terms of employment and Newcastle dragged out the Ashworth deal so we had to wait a significant amount of time to get things together.
Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox have nothing to do with INEOS.Why? I mean if INEOS were actually doing well with their other football investments than fair enough. They aren't though.
That’s playing well? Jesus crap. If avoiding relegation is the ambition, maybeWhile today the team looked like one & played fairly well, he should be released of his duties nonetheless.
Neither team played fairly well today.While today the team looked like one & played fairly well, he should be released of his duties nonetheless.
While today the team looked like one & played fairly well
I agree, how can partnerships or understanding each others play develop if the team radically changes from game to game and sometimes half to half.He decides a new type of player for a new game all the time, and that rhythm really throws development of certain players out of the window.
One game Garnacho is on the bench, then he's on the right, then he's on the left.
One game Zirkzee is starting, then he shows signs of being good for our general play, then he's on the bench, circle starts over
One game Maino has a set role, then he is deployed in a more attacking role, then he's a central midfielder again who also needs to sit a bit back
It just goes on an on, and he makes substitutions because he's desperate to try anything. So when he subs 3 players at a time and throw in players of different types it resets the team. The rhythm of this is completely shit for any player really. Start - stop - start - stop.
While today the team looked like one & played fairly well, he should be released of his duties nonetheless.
When should they have corrected it?The decision still was the wrong one and they should have corrected it by now
After basically any match this seasonWhen should they have corrected it?
When we got thrashed of Liverpool. Or spurs.When should they have corrected it?
So after the Fulham game?After basically any match this season
So they haven’t waited far too long then. Just a few weeks so far.When we got thrashed of Liverpool. Or spurs.
We had managers who were proven winners at the highest level like LVG and Mourinho and they werent successful. We had Ole who had very limited experience managing at the highest level and he wasnt successful either. We also had Moyes who had proven PL experience and he wasnt successful either.That's fair enough, you have faith in his abilities. I don't really understand how you can have faith in the abilities of a manager that hasn't shown any promising sign in two seasons and a manager that also has no actual good track record at the highest level.
And yes people, including myself were excited about his potential but it's important to emphasize on the fact that it was only potential, ETH isn't a proven winner at the highest leve. He is a proven winner as Ajax's manager in the Eredivisie, his European resume with Ajax isn't impressive at all beside the 18/19 campaign. So in my opnion people should logically use hindsight and reevaluate their enthusiasm instead of clinging on a previous uneducated position.
And it's not something specific to ETH and United, the same was true for Rose, De Boer, Villas Boas, Lopetegui, Gasperini and many other managers over the years because most managers with potential will fail to match higher expectations which is perfectly normal, not everyone is meant to be an elite manager.
Ole didn’t have what ETH did though. Ole teams was missing a proper DM. He had to play mctominay and Fred. Where as ETH didn’t have what ole did on the right wing… MG. But ye I agree, both not good enough. Onto the next manager.The answer to the ETH vs Ole debate is that they both spunked a massive amount of money and had thoroughly underwhelming tenures. Who gives a flying feck if someone prefers one over the other. Both were/are nowhere near good enough. Ole was ridiculously lucky getting that infamous 2nd place finish, given Xg had us 4th.
Ye but the sooner the better. Delaying it is costing us more points each week.So they haven’t waited far too long then. Just a few weeks so far.
We’re fecked!
Ole didn’t have what ETH did though. Ole teams was missing a proper DM. He had to play mctominay and Fred. Where as ETH didn’t have what ole did on the right wing… MG. But ye I agree, both not good enough. Onto the next manager.
Your post is an absolute joke tbhAbsolute joke if true, I wonder what all those who were adament that Sir Jim was the better option than Shiekh Jassim are thinking about the complete mess Sir Jims lot have made of this so far
Oh dear but honestly, who’s available? All too easy to blame it on Ten Hag and sack him.
Just saw his post match interview
He said “it’s a process” - never thought of it that way before
Did he choose? And if he did then that also shows that Ole didn’t have what ETH now has… a proper football structure running the transfers.Ole chose not to sign a DM, that's on him. Didn't he spend close to 400m? That 2nd place finish done so much heavy lifting. They're both absolutely nowhere near good enough.
Your post is an absolute joke tbh
Did he choose?
When should they have corrected it?