Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Well the new football guys decided to keep him last season so I am not gonna question their decision or judgment at the moment.
To be honest the club has been burning for the past decade so showing a bit of patience with a manager who has won two trophies wouldn’t do any harm.
I like your analogy and your mom did the right thing by teaching you to eat vegetables even if they left a bad taste in your mouth at first. Much like how you grew to like vegetables we might not enjoy ten Hag’s current situation but sticking through the tough times may lead to long term success.
'Dipped a bit in the league'
7-0 overwrites the league cup on its own. If we're talking about legacies, Ten Hag's will boil down to one good result yielding one feel-good trophy win. Even that ended up tainted by keeping him as manager and the embarrassing fallout afterwards that brought early doubts on the new ownership.
Yeap. I barely remember the cup wins. The 7-0 loss has been etched into my memory for life.
It's proper head up arse type of thinking.
That’s the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Sometimes inaction is worse than the action.
The best solution imo is to let him see out the season. Sack him in the summer, and jack up the season ticket prices to make up some of the lost CL/sponsorship revenue.
That'll buy us some PSR room to do this and other things.
Because they stuck with their manager through the tough times and allowed him to build. Just saying, I know you’ll be triggered.
Tough times had been and gone at this point with Arteta. I wish people would stop using him as a defense for ETH. It's deluded and without merit.
I'm intrigued by that why sticking with ETH may lead to long term success? Is it specific to ETH or is it a case of just time given to anyone?
Maybe they think ETH is the miracle man? Despite poor form he can always pull one out of the hat. A lucky manager.
He's not wrong is he. We were organized, we were the better team. It's not a bad result against a good opponent.
What is he supposed to say, "we were shit again and I need to be sacked"?
Can't be too hard to comprehend that he is not as negative towards himself and the team as the raging mob on here.
The fact we didn't bring an experienced striker in beggars belief. OK bring a Rasmus in but he needs somebody to learn from and guide him, would have helped Garnacho with his decision making as well.
There's a growing number of people who are pissed. Theyl foam at the mouth at any half opportunity until he's gone.
Spurs and Ange are as average as they come and competely dismantled us at home. We are so shit it’s unreal. Actively and throughly damaging the club now, as are the fans defending this absolute nonsense
Fair point tbf
They own two other clubs and there's plenty of evidence from their ownership of those two that you can make a fairly educated judgment about their competency.
That's fair enough. I think it's at least a good indicator of where the club are with Ten Hag. There's no way he tweets that if he was on the brink of being sacked. He'll be here till the Brentford game at the very least.
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Not sacked yet? This ownership are worse then Glazers alone
It wouldn't fit the plan and the statements made just so very very recently, but it feels like it's really coming. Again, whether it's the right move is never 100% certain, but it does feel more and more like - for whatever reason - this is not gonna work out. Maybe the "process" needed to be a full restart to get an ETH style to work at a BPL team, let alone one where the squad has a reputation for either inconsistency or going against the manager's plans. Maybe ETH is just not figuring it out or capable to lead a team like this at this time, in general. But the longer this drags on, no matter ETH's actual level, it's hard for a squad to keep faith in someone's methods if it's been like this for so long, no matter the players' levels.
The beginning of the season I felt like improvements were actually visible and there was some sense of stability. Perhaps it is a better setup and the bad games came at the worst times, like De Ligt mentioned, and like De Ligt has shown, confidence is not there, and it hursts everyone and everything. Perhaps that's enough reason to work on the mental aspect and then get back on track, or that's enough reason to not keep falling back into the same cycle, and let that cycle turn into a downward spiral, once again, once more.
Honestly it's hard to say right now. I was pro-ETH before and during, and still believe it should be possible. But, it's hard to pretend that it's a sign of stability right now to keep him on at this helm. It doesn't have to be, as that is the status of United now for more than 11 years, and it's only gotten worse, as has the attraction to prospected players. Expecting things to be smooth sailing is just as ridiculous as blindly thinking this will all get better with just a bit more time.
But one thing I do know is that these coming days I wouldn't be surprised to see the news of the end of this partnership. It wouldn't fit the three-windows(-summers)-and-inconsistency-till-then statements of just this past summer, but it would very well fit the procedures at a football club, let alone one with a status like United's. But then again, if his statements afterwards were correct, the plan is still on. But plans have been "on" before, CEOs "loved" managers before and technical boards have been "fully behind" managers before.
Guess we will see in the coming days.
The beginning of the season I felt like improvements were actually visible and there was some sense of stability. Perhaps it is a better setup and the bad games came at the worst times, like De Ligt mentioned, and like De Ligt has shown, confidence is not there, and it hursts everyone and everything. Perhaps that's enough reason to work on the mental aspect and then get back on track, or that's enough reason to not keep falling back into the same cycle, and let that cycle turn into a downward spiral, once again, once more.
Honestly it's hard to say right now. I was pro-ETH before and during, and still believe it should be possible. But, it's hard to pretend that it's a sign of stability right now to keep him on at this helm. It doesn't have to be, as that is the status of United now for more than 11 years, and it's only gotten worse, as has the attraction to prospected players. Expecting things to be smooth sailing is just as ridiculous as blindly thinking this will all get better with just a bit more time.
But one thing I do know is that these coming days I wouldn't be surprised to see the news of the end of this partnership. It wouldn't fit the three-windows(-summers)-and-inconsistency-till-then statements of just this past summer, but it would very well fit the procedures at a football club, let alone one with a status like United's. But then again, if his statements afterwards were correct, the plan is still on. But plans have been "on" before, CEOs "loved" managers before and technical boards have been "fully behind" managers before.
Guess we will see in the coming days.
How is this acceptable? Worst start ever and it feels like collective amnesia to accept an absolute bore 0-0.
Were fecking Manchester United my god standards have slipped.
Were fecking Manchester United my god standards have slipped.
You’re acting as if the manager has absolutely no baring on the results, team, and expectations. So when will your standards change? After we’ve won the league again? Will you then expect us to be challenging for the tile and have expectations of the manager? Or does the manager just get a free pass constantly?
And while we’re on that topic, why do you think teams sack managers if it isn’t conducive to winning games of football? Do you think that if every team just got behind their manager instead of sacking them they’d all be successful? Or is this just something that’s exclusive to Manchester United?
Where do you think Villa, Arsenal, Liverpool, Brighton, or Spurs would be if their managers would have been given the same money to spend that Ten Hag has? Would they have regressed their teams?
I hate to break it to you but we are in the bottom 3 across all performance stats. These are stats associated with teams that get relegated. They’re not associated with teams that win the Europa league or finish anywhere near the top 4. Your posts are starting so sound as delusional as it gets.
I dont disagree with the points you make. We were terrible last season (although we had a huge number of injuries) and our start this season hasnt been great. But all is not lost. We could still win the Europa League and we could still finish in the top four (though if I am being honest that will be tough). But I am hopeful for a 5th place finish and a Europa League win.
My argument is that we should give him time to turn things around. He knows hes under pressure and has to deliver. I am not comparing ten Hag to Fergie in any way but I read that Fergie could have been sacked if he lost the 1991 cup winners cup against Barca.
The troll is really getting some good mileage out of some of you.
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It took United 17 years, 5 permanent managers and 6 months of Busby as interim before landing on Fergie.
If anything, Docherty and Sexton were given too much time. Big Ron was given over 5 years. Time doesn't = success.
Liverpool took almost 25 years to replace Dalglish. They went through 7 managers and 1 interim before bringing in Klopp. They were too patient at times. Houllier got 6 years and so did Rafa. They started to learn their lesson with Hodgson. He was dismissed quickly, Dalglish was moved on after 18 months. Rodgers didn't last long into his 4th season. He had a better record than ten Hag currently does when he was dismissed after 8 PL games. 12/24 points compared to ten Hag's 8/21.
It takes a special manager to manage clubs of this size. We haven't landed on one yet. Mourinho was just starting his decline when we hired him. ten Hag looked a good option on paper. But the step up from The Eredivisie has been too much.
Doesn't look like he's going to get the sack soon, only real noise is coming from the fans, very little hints from the press, unless INEOS are keeping things very close to their chest.
If he didn't get a contract extension the decision would have been made by now but it makes INEOS look a bit silly because they gave a big stamp of approval. The only way to save face and sack him would be to get a top manager immediately, someone like a Nagelsmann and say that the door just opened and they had to make a decision/opportunity to good to pass up. Otherwise, they will wait till the end of November/December to make a decision.
If he didn't get a contract extension the decision would have been made by now but it makes INEOS look a bit silly because they gave a big stamp of approval. The only way to save face and sack him would be to get a top manager immediately, someone like a Nagelsmann and say that the door just opened and they had to make a decision/opportunity to good to pass up. Otherwise, they will wait till the end of November/December to make a decision.
Sorry, but us winning the cup will be 'permanent on the clubs history'. How could it not be?
A generation of 'PL football fans' remember newcastle beating us 5-0, United changing shirts at half-time, Keane supposedly ending Haaaland's dad's career, Fergie Time, being 'lucky' to win a Treble, Coventry and Howard Webb. The same idiots who think it's funny claiming you are from Surrey.
No way in this good earth should our achievements be shat on to curry favour with that banter brigade.
They're not worth it and never will be.
How is it nuts? Surely RvN as an interim couldn't be any worse in the meantime? I doubt having no manager at all would even be worse.
Agree. We have to move on from Ten Hag now.
It will be too late by then - we'll get relegated at this rate. 5 goals scored in the PL of which 3 came in the Southampton game. Our stats this season are abysmal and he has no injury excuse this time.
I do think Hake being the potential interim manager has gone slightly under the radar. Less fashionable as Ruud amongst United fans but he is far more experienced in management roles.
Has there ever been a manager as poor as him who stayed in a big club as long as him? For as much shit as Hodgson or Moyes were, they stayed for just a year or so.
I said before the season, examples where teams make a significant jump in such stats season to season are rare.
Keeping the same manager and not upgrading the first XI in any position the writing was on the wall that we'd just continue at a similar level.
Well, I read the other day Sir Jim saying hes not the one making the football decision. So, that leaves the likes of Ashworth, Berada and Wilcox to handle those responsibilities. I remember we were all excited when they joined United because of their high competency and distinguished careers. So again I am not going to question their decision to keep Ten Hag at this moment.
I don't know why INEOS or any of the new management team are here if they look at this, and last season, and don't sack him.
I literally can't get it into my brain how he is still here.
It’s not ridiculous to think that though, the league campaigns, lack of goals, results and massive losses are all worse
It’s obvious that INEOS want to be seen as being rational and different to the Glazers. They’re more interested in being seen to be calm and measured rather than doing what is actually required.
What I was talking about in my earlier post. Tale of two halves. I didn't really bother highlighting the goal diff, because even the first 63 games are not good imo and indeed lag Ole and Jose over same number of games, but the past 62 games are just atrocious.
I think 62 games is a big enough sample size and sufficient to judge a trend. Persisting with the man is hoping for a miracle around the corner that we don't really see any signs of.
I think 62 games is a big enough sample size and sufficient to judge a trend. Persisting with the man is hoping for a miracle around the corner that we don't really see any signs of.
| Games played | Win Rate | Cumulative Goal Diff |
|---|---|---|
| First 63 games | 66.67% | 46 |
| Second 62 games | 43.54% | 6 |
| All 125 games | 55.2% | 52 |
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