Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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They will keep him now, lose important 2 weeks and then in a month they will sack him.
8 points from 7 games, without win for 5 games, all his signings look awful......big questions to Ineos if they keep him.
 
Pexbo said:
Absolute shit. But in 50 years time we will be counting two domestic trophies in our record when comparing against our rivals. I can promise you we won’t be discussing 2nd and 3rd place finishes.
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In reality in 50 years nobody will be looking back and thinking "ah the good times when we won a few cups but were terrible in the league." And comparing trophy counts over the last several decades is a mug's game. I don't really care about what I or others will think in 50 years. I care most about what my team is doing now and how close they are to the real things that matter. I think United have the potential in the next ten years to be one of, if not the, best team in the world. So I'd prefer to be in Arsenal's position. Close to winning the league, in the Champions League, looking like we've made progress in the past 5 years. Winning a couple of domestic cups is enjoyable and fun, but it's dampened a lot by slipping down the league and being crap in Europe. That will eventually catch up to us too if it carries on and we'll stop winning those cups.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
They will keep him now, lose important 2 weeks and then in a month they will sack him.
8 points from 7 games, without win for 5 games, all his signings look awful......big questions to Ineos if they keep him.
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Yep I’ve backed them. But if Ten Hag leads the team out against Brentford, it’s on them. This isn’t a difficult decision if their genuine ambition is to win the league again in the near future
 
red.knight said:
I have a reason for standing behind the manager. he is the manager of the club I support.

You are right to say my standards have slipped and they have since Fergie left. We havent challenged for the league under 6 different managers since Fergie. We finished outside the top four in six seasons and we only won five trophies in 11 years and 2 of those won by ten hag. I am realistic about where we are as a club. As low as it may sound, my standard for this season is a top 4 finish and a good cup run or 5th place in the league and a Europa League win.
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Do you honestly expect us to make top 4 considering how better and far ahead the top 6-7 clubs are of us? This season will be as bad as last or worse if we persist with this lost cause of a project under Ten Hag
 
hobbers said:
The only thing of value Hag has done is beat City to the FA cup. That was the one miracle amongst the past 20 months of steaming manure.
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Did you miss the win against Barcelona? Great night.
What about the carabao cup win? Granted we dipped a bit in the league after that but it was still a good day.
I quite enjoyed beating Liverpool in the cup run too. We’ve had plenty of good time with ten Hag, I know you are an ‘all in’ kinda guy and heavy on the hyperbole but that comment I’ve quoted is an out and out lie.
 
Changed to sack.
Hes not even getting the best out of new signings. Is Ugarte now suddenly deadwood?

Doesn’t drop or sub Bruno.
 
stevoc said:
He couldn't turn it around last season, this season has been a continuation of that despite very few injuries. So what is this hope based upon?
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Last season the club decided to keep him so I accept the judgement of the new football leadership. My hope now is based on his track record as a manager and the improved performances I have seen this season. I would argue that we have been a bit unlucky against City in the Community Shield and against Brighton and Palace in the league. With a bit of luck we could have won those games. Most people predicted we would lose badly against Porto and Villa yet we put up a fight. As I been saying let see how we perform in the next few games.
 
Pexbo said:
Right and I’m not arguing any different. I’m comparing Ten Hag who has two trophies with Moyes who dragged us down to 6th and Solskjaer who was nowhere near competing for the league in any of his three seasons.

Ten Hag has not been worse than either of them. It’s gone to shit and he needs to go but he has had tangible cup success alongside his failures in the league whereas both those managers had failures in the league and nothing beside it.
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In the league he most certainly has been worse than both and thats ultimately what will decide his fate. He's been dogshit in Europe as well to be fair worse than both of those managers.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Did you miss the win against Barcelona? Great night.
What about the carabao cup win? Granted we dipped a bit in the league after that but it was still a good day.
I quite enjoyed beating Liverpool in the cup run too. We’ve had plenty of good time with ten Hag, I know you’ll are an ‘all in’ kinda guy and heavy on the hyperbole but that comment I’ve quoted is an out and out lie.
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'Dipped a bit in the league' :lol:

7-0 overwrites the league cup on its own. If we're talking about legacies, Ten Hag's will boil down to one good result yielding one feel-good trophy win. Even that ended up tainted by keeping him as manager and the embarrassing fallout afterwards that brought early doubts on the new ownership.
 
Wish I could post media on here because I've been playing with the some United data and it's pretty interesting seeing how ETH started pretty good and maintained our best win rate under any manager since SAF till about the half way point in his tenure, then things fell off a cliff. Also, his current win rate overall is worse than Jose's, only slightly ahead of Ole. The trend over the second half of his tenure (~last 60 games) is shocking.

I also looked at goals, since the impression is that we keep getting spanked and leak goals like crazy. Here, ETH record is absolutely terrible, way behind Ole and Jose, and even behind LVG. He started out ok but fell off quick, and now, 124 games in, is behind LVG at the same point, and way, way, behind Ole and Jose.

What concerns me most the trend seems to be going one way. I don't know why we would expect the next, say 20 matches, to look different than the last 60 odd matches.
 
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He didn't build the midfield that can score. Rashford and Bruno are just pale shadow of their peak form. Wingers are inexperienced and then on top of it we bought inexperienced strikers too. I don't see this team will suddenly start scoring even we change the manager.
 
red.knight said:
Last season the club decided to keep him so I accept the judgement of the new football leadership. My hope now is based on his track record as a manager and the improved performances I have seen this season. I would argue that we have been a bit unlucky against City in the Community Shield and against Brighton and Palace in the league. With a bit of luck we could have won those games. Most people predicted we would lose badly against Porto and Villa yet we put up a fight. As I been saying let see how we perform in the next few games.
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The Community Shield is a glorified friendly. Pep usually loses it, so fair play to Erik for giving him a win.

Palace was an even game by the end. A fair result.

He literally blew a 2-0 lead vs Porto and produced one of the worst PL games in living memory today. Fair result. Both teams played like shit.

There hasn't been an improvement in performances this season. United are still a chaotic mess with the opposition having chances. Even Southampton looked very dangerous for 30 mins in that game.

I really don't understand how you've convinced yourself that this season hasn't been a disaster so far on the back of a very poor season. We'd piss ourselves laughing if this was happening at Liverpool.
 
Tony247 said:
He didn't build the midfield that can score. Rashford and Bruno are just pale shadow of their peak form. Wingers are inexperienced and then on top of it we bought inexperienced strikers too. I don't see this team will suddenly start scoring even we change the manager.
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Which might make it difficult to find someone with ambition who fancies the job. Our squad was not great and they have let ETH makes it even worse.
 
red.knight said:
Yes I have been disillusioned since Fergie left and its been 11 years now. Every time we appoint a new manager I get optimistic thinking this could be the start of a new era. But the same cycle keep repeating itself. Maybe, just maybe with INEOS coming in we can finally return to the glory days.
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Well, you can think the solution is to break the cycle once for all. But I am not so sure that’s the solution. We have been trough it all; players, managers, lack of footballing management, etc. Is it a possibility that we just chose the wrong managers?
 
red.knight said:
I have a reason for standing behind the manager. he is the manager of the club I support.

You are right to say my standards have slipped and they have since Fergie left. We havent challenged for the league under 6 different managers since Fergie. We finished outside the top four in six seasons and we only won five trophies in 11 years and 2 of those won by ten hag. I am realistic about where we are as a club. As low as it may sound, my standard for this season is a top 4 finish and a good cup run or 5th place in the league and a Europa League win.
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This has been done to death. We have had four managers before Ten Hag. None of them good enough.
Van Gaal and Jose hired far too late in their carreers both past it at the time of appointment.
Neither have achieved anything after us.
Ole and Moyes nowhere near the level required to manage us obviously.
Neither have achieved anything after us.
ETH with a reputation build on a champions league run that ended by beeing knocked out by Tottenham and also obviously not good enough.
Why is it so hard to understand that we simply made 5 bad choices over the last decade as far as appointing managers go.
 
DOTA said:
We kept a clean sheet, I don't think the centre back switch was the problem. I would instead point to the fact we didn't score a goal.
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sure, but the results show zero consistency. You MUST have a settled back 4 and goalkeeper - they will never adjust with the constant rotation.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Oh hey, I just noticed you managed to get promoted. Good work!
(Btw it’s your not you’re, I am not a post)
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I was promoted months ago and stopped posting before The FA Cup final.

Just needed to check in on how the ten Hag in brigade were getting on.
 
red.knight said:
Last season the club decided to keep him so I accept the judgement of the new football leadership. My hope now is based on his track record as a manager and the improved performances I have seen this season. I would argue that we have been a bit unlucky against City in the Community Shield and against Brighton and Palace in the league. With a bit of luck we could have won those games. Most people predicted we would lose badly against Porto and Villa yet we put up a fight. As I been saying let see how we perform in the next few games.
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That 45 minutes against Palace that yielded zero goals is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that regard. Outside of that for me it's been more of the same shite that was served up all last season. We can't defend and we're toothless in attack which isn't an ideal combination in football.

I am genuinely baffled how anyone would be eager to see more of this insipid crap. If it's taken 2+ seasons for him to turn us into a bottom half side in relegation form. How long will this imagined march back up the hill actually take? Do you think there's any chance of him finsihing top 4 this season?

Are we now building towards challenging for top 4 next year in his 4th season instead? So by year 5 of the Ten Hag era we'll be where exactly? Still hoping to finish 3rd-4th? Maybe flirting with a title challenge by year 6 or 7?
 
Ridiculous if that feeble draw saves his job. We played like a team battling relegation today, oh wait nevermind that's what we are.
 
stevoc said:
That 45 minutes against Palace that yielded zero goals is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that regard. Outside of that for me it's been more of the same shite that was served up all last season. We can't defend and we're toothless in attack which isn't an ideal combination in football.

I am genuinely baffled how anyone would be eager to see more of this insipid crap. If it's taken 2+ seasons for him to turn us into a bottom half side in relegation form. How long will this imagined march back up the hill actually take? Do you think there's any chance of him finsihing top 4 this season?

Are we now building towards challenging for top 4 next year in his 4th season instead? So by year 5 of the Ten Hag era we'll be where exactly? Still hoping to finish 3rd-4th? Maybe flirting with a title challenge by year 6 or 7?
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There has been a fair bit of exaggerating on both sides of the camp. Whilst we aren't playing CL quality football we also aren't as consistently bad as what's been painted. The Liverpool and Spurs game were extremely damaging to the image, but Southampton, Palace, Villa and extended periods of Fulham+Brighton were better.

No one is happy with that level by the way, it obviously needs to be better than that too.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Which might make it difficult to find someone with ambition who fancies the job. Our squad was not great and they have let ETH makes it even worse.
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I don't mind inexperienced but good potential players in the team but to compensate them the team needs couple of really good players especially in the midfield to whom they can look up to and learn. That's not the case with this team. Which new manager will give any assurance? I can see why the management is reluctant. But anyway they will need to bite the bullet and find a new manager.
 
Not a bad result today to be honest but it's meaningless. If we had drawn this one after winning at Brighton and getting a draw against Liverpool at home or something then I would be far more willing to accept him staying on

We look absolutely dreadful going forward, Bruno has had one of the fastest declines I've ever seen. He was integral and now he can't get anything right at all. It can't all be the players being out of form there has to an issue with the coaching team and specifically ETH.

Even if we sack him to get the new manager bounce with RVN for a bit and get some vibes points then that's fine with me until we can get a permanent manager in.
 
He could get us relegated to the Championship the way things are going, and you’ll still have some folks defending him. Has to be opposition fans trolling on here.
 
Blood Mage said:
Ridiculous if that feeble draw saves his job. We played like a team battling relegation today, oh wait nevermind that's what we are.
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No logic can defend Ineos for not pulling the plug. I am sick and tired of hearing about everything being wonderful between ten Hag and the management. Soon the argument about judging the process in may will be gone. What a shambles.
 
Blood Mage said:
Our owners are mugs. They want any excuse not to sack him so they can save money.
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The issue with sacking him is financial fair play otherwise the owners don't care about the dozen of millions that it would cost because it doesn't come from their pocket.
 
Pexbo said:
I get that people are sick of him and want him sacked but I just don’t get the point in resorting to ridiculous arguments other than to vent your frustration. He’s been objectively more successful than both Solskjaer and Moyes. It’s ridiculous to claim he will be classed as having a worse tenure than either of them.
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Nonense, you don't get to call something 'objective' then spout your opinion. Cup wins are great, but ultimately they're a knockout and for a top half PL side in general you might have to win 3 or 4 tough games (last season United beat Liverpool and City, which is excellent, but its still only 2 games).

The league will always be the yardstick of a manager and Ten Hag has been a total failure. Finished 3rd then 8th and we're sitting 14th, we're getting objectively worse. Ole's finished were 6th, 3rd and 2nd. By no means waes Ole a good manager imo, but ETH has presided over our two worst starts to a PL season. In my opinion ETH's performance in the league has been significantly worse than Ole. If the two managers were somewhat close then sure, use cups as a tie break, but they're not. I genuinely believe we'll finish bottom half this season if he stays. There are 10 sides in this division that are comfortably better than us.
 
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