86% is damning enough ….ignore the oppo’s backing him and it’s likely 96% ETH out.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Hardly, Martinez and De Ligt have been terrble. De Ligt isn't better than Maguire.
The most damning thing is £600m spent and just £120m of it are in his starting XI for a must win game.
Again incorrect. Watford were 16th when they beat us under Ole, Palace were 14th for the 4-0 & Bournemouth 13th for the 3-0. We’re talking the smallest of differences.
You’re fighting a battle I don’t think you even believe in. You’re just so far down the rabbit hole you can’t accept it’s over.
We’re currently 4 points off 18th place??
We’ve had a far worse start this season then the season Ole (rightly) got sacked.
No complaints about De Ligt and Martinez being dropped to be honest. We're losing anyway so might as well send them a message that their last two performances were unacceptable.
He did but not for £40-50m and I imagine not with the idea to build his defence around him.
The line up been confirmed?
You weren't the only one. The 3 game run of decent results in the CL is all most knew about him if at all. But like summer transfers, once the hype train starts everyone gets carried away with how good they are.
Arteta hasn't been successful though, he's put them in a good position after a couple of years of poor performances. They gave him the time to get certain players out, a style of play etc and we are now just waiting for success to follow
Arteta would have been chased out by our supporters before we seen the upturn that came about at arsenal.
Klopp came into Liverpool in 2015 and won nothing until 2019. Again he was given time before success came about.
Sir Alex took years to get success and this forum would have chased him out as well.
Instant success doesn't happen that often. More often we need to see time given and go through a few rough times to get to the promise land.
EDIT : To be clear I'm not arguing to keep ETH here, I just don't want us to jump into another managerial appointment mistake and then be here again in 18/24 months time.
Although there's no guarantee no matter who we go for, the market right now is very slim pickings.
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How many points above relegation were Watford, and how many points above relegation were Palace and Bournemouth? Maybe then you'll find it's not quite a "smallest of difference". If i'm not mistaken Watford were 17th going into the game - could be wrong. The win they had against us put them 16th and within 4 points of Ole. You can probably direct me to a point in time that shows otherwise as I haven't double checked.
And we are currently 4 points off 18 points on October 6th. Ole had us 4 points from 16th a month and half later than this point.
He's starting one game, I dont think we can conclude he's building a defence around him.
The truth is, we've generally been poor since the LC win. That was in 2023. How he's still here is absolute madness.
He did not exceed expectations. He met the goal of CL qualification, like previous managers.
We are literally the most forgiving and patient big club around, it's not even close. Ten Hag would not have survived at any other club. Saying we sack a manager "as soon as it's not going great" is hysterical. The whole "we are better than that" thing has held us back over the years. Always taking way too long to react and make a change.
Also people like me who haven't changed there vote out of laziness
You is good at getting teams promoted?
Trying to differentiate between getting bossed by Bournemouth at home and Watford away is splitting hairs. Like who cares. Both just terrible results that don't need to happen.
Not to mention our current form, over quite a good number of games now, is that of a 16th place team.
There’s no time like the present ….do it now!
Agreed both are terrible. But claiming there is not a material difference in quality between a relegation side and a midtable side is also false.
We've been generally poor since the League cup final in 2023.
We've been exceptionally bad in the last 6 months. Like relegation form level poor. It is insane he's still our manager.
Imagine finishing the season 8th at Barca or Real and keeping your job. Has to go, regardless of today's result. We've become accustomed to accepting mediocrity.
Perception plays a vital role in that, reverse the roles and Erik would massively fail if he was managing the current crop of Arsenal players because of his composition as a manager. They spent 100 million on Rice which isn't critiqued because the manager knows how to utilize the said player in question, if Murtough did the same thing under Erik's tenure he would be ridiculed for it because you can guarantee Rice at United would be deplorably worse than how he performs for Arsenal.
Same can be said for Ben White or Havertz with many Arsenal fans bemoaning the initial fee they acquired him for, but the manager has caused both players to deliver so it's no longer at a point of anatomization. It doesn't matter if Erik was being spearheaded by Kronke or Glazers / he's failed as a manager and given his current trajectory with INEOS it's proof that playing for different hierarchies doesn't suddenly aggrandize an incompetent individual.
He's desperately focusing on one game against Watford (after which Ole got sacked straight away) to avoid admitting how wrong he's been about the last 18 months of borderline relegation level performances.
Sure, but at the same time these players aren't punts on injury ridden players or kids who have had 1.5 years of gametime. That accounts for around 150m of the transfers already.
He's had relative success compared to where they were before he came in and his team in terms of perfromances and rsults were on a constant upward trajectory.
Our supporters are amongst the most forgiving in football. Clearly evidenced by the fact so many wanted to keep Ten Hag after last season.
He got them to 3 finals including a CL final in his first 2.5 seasons and a top 4 finish in his first full season. While playing good football, there was clear progress and an upward trajectory.
It's time for this nonsense to die mate. It bears no relevance.
No one is asking for instant success, just for some sort of progress. An attractive style of play emerging, being hard to beat or scoring loads of goals. Or looking like we won't get battered every other week, something anything. The last 18 months have been an absolute farce and it shouldn't have been allowed to get to this stage. There is no upward trajectory ever going to emerge from this total and utter shambles.
This idea that we need to suffer through 5-6 years of shite to come out the other side and into a new era of dominance is naive horseshit.
That line up 
. It’s clear he doesn’t believe in having a midfield, and that for me is the root cause of all our problems.
. It’s clear he doesn’t believe in having a midfield, and that for me is the root cause of all our problems.Indeed but then that wasn't what I said at all.
It's like that time Mourinho spent 4 months begging the club to sack him so he could leave with his pay off - and we still refused to do it
Sorry yeah re-read what you said. I don't think its contraversial given the form anyway. He's taking them out the limelight and they're quite a liability at this moment in time.
Man’s desperate going with Maguire and Evans starting. Just throw anything at the wall and hope it sticks.
It's like that time Mourinho spent 4 months begging the club to sack him so he could leave with his pay off - and we still refused to do it
When he played Mctominay at centre back, with actual centre backs sat on the bench, away to west ham.
Couldn't have been more clear he was trying to get sacked , and yet we didn't do it for another few weeks.
The criteria shall be simple. Either up or out
Haha Eriksen and Bruno in midfield with Maguire and Evans in central defense...he is asking to be sacked.
Look I don't disagree with the decision on the face of it, they've both been awful recently. All I'm saying is it's basically an admittance on his part that the players he's signed to build his defence around aren't working and/or he doesn't know how to get the best out of them as a pair.
2 or 3 places difference.
Fernandes again.
Gutless manager
Gutless manager
Centre back pairing doesn't matter a jot when you continue to select a midfield that just gets run through.
Think its admittance that they are terribly off form yeah. And thats not a good look.
Not quote. One went on to get relegated finishing 19th. The other went on to have a very good season. The difference in quality was bigger than that snapshot.
No manager should have survived getting battered 7-0 by their hated rivals.
He has wasted hundreds of millions and numerous seasons.
He has wasted hundreds of millions and numerous seasons.
This is a horrible feeling, isn't it?
Obviously we all naturally want to win, but realistically that will mean another month or two of absolute garbage, of hating every weekend. Meh.
He should be gone even if we somehow win. The fact he's dropped both of his big money centre back signings for the likes of Evans and Maguire is utterly insane.
Obviously we all naturally want to win, but realistically that will mean another month or two of absolute garbage, of hating every weekend. Meh.
He should be gone even if we somehow win. The fact he's dropped both of his big money centre back signings for the likes of Evans and Maguire is utterly insane.
He should be kept if he keeps us in the league.
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