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From the horses mouth, non-backing
Well, at least this is some positive news today.
From the horses mouth, non-backing
Same here. He chose his words very carefully there.Yeah, he's gone. Ratcliffe has pretty much confirmed it, in my eyes.
This is a massive problem. He doesn't understand the club he's at and what constitutes success. The man calls last season a success with a straight faceWe can only achieve success like the last two seasons, winning trophies, when we improve, so definitely we will work on this.”
Some new quotes just in to us from the Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who has told our sports editor Dan Roan that a decision on Erik ten Hag's future is not his call.
Asked if he has faith in the Red Devils' boss, he said: “I don’t want to answer that question…I like Erik. I think he’s a very good coach but at the end of the day it’s not my call, it’s the management team that’s running Manchester United that have to decide how we best run the team in many different respects.
"But that team that’s running Manchester United has only been together since June or July. They weren’t there in January, February, March or April – [CEO] Omar [Berrada], [Sporting Director] Dan Ashworth - they only arrived in July.
"They’ve only been there…you can count it in weeks almost - they’ve not been there a long time so they need to take stock and make some sensible decisions.
"Our objective is very clear - we want to take Manchester United back to where it should be, and it’s not there yet, obviously - that’s very clear.”
Nice subtle way to distance themselves from him.Some new quotes just in to us from the Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who has told our sports editor Dan Roan that a decision on Erik ten Hag's future is not his call.
Asked if he has faith in the Red Devils' boss, he said: “I don’t want to answer that question…I like Erik. I think he’s a very good coach but at the end of the day it’s not my call, it’s the management team that’s running Manchester United that have to decide how we best run the team in many different respects.
"But that team that’s running Manchester United has only been together since June or July. They weren’t there in January, February, March or April – [CEO] Omar [Berrada], [Sporting Director] Dan Ashworth - they only arrived in July.
"They’ve only been there…you can count it in weeks almost - they’ve not been there a long time so they need to take stock and make some sensible decisions.
"Our objective is very clear - we want to take Manchester United back to where it should be, and it’s not there yet, obviously - that’s very clear.”
It could be a whole week after Villa that we hear a verdict. Time to discuss. The 14th.Is is safe to say he's gone now regardless of Villa? These comments are pretty damning, and Radcliffe doesn't look pleased at all. Also the comments on the team not being together very long sounds like an excuse for delaying his sacking to this ridiculous length.
Three decades from now he'll be in a care home, muttering "They sacked me when the plan was about to start working. Seven years wasn't enough time!" and the unit nurse will just keep looking at her watch waiting for the night shift to turn up.From EtH's presser:
This is a massive problem. He doesn't understand the club he's at and what constitutes success. The man calls last season a success with a straight face
I don't know if he genuinely believes it (which would be incredibly stupid) or if he's trying to gaslight the entire world (which would also be incredibly stupid).
You're doing poorly, you've had a rough run, fans are frustrated, players are bereft of confidence after such a let down last season, this season looks to be going the same direction and the manager comes out with this.
Annoying thing is he's been going on about it for weeks. Can someone please tell him last season was an abject failure, the likes of which this club has never experienced in the premier league era?
Again, if they were ruthless he wouldn’t be here anymore and would not be getting ‘games to save his job’. He’s already shown his level this season.Thats your opinion.
They gave ten hag a last chance and will probably be ruthless this season. You're just assuming that they're not ambitious because of one decision in one point in time.
It could be a whole week after Villa that we hear a verdict. Time to discuss. The 14th.
Is it safe to say he's gone now regardless of Villa result? These comments are pretty damning, and Radcliffe doesn't look pleased at all. Also the comments on the team not being together very long sounds like an excuse for delaying his sacking to this ridiculous length.
Yeah, it feels very much like "I'm not in charge, it's not my decision, but IF it was my decision I'd say we've been shite and I am technically their boss so..."Nice subtle way to distance themselves from him.
Yeah, he's gone. Ratcliffe has pretty much confirmed it, in my eyes.
I started having huge doubts about ten Hag after the Sevilla games last season. I was fully ten Hag out after finishing 4th in a CL Group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray.The verdict should be set in stone since the Liverpool pummeling. The only decision that should happen is when to sack him, and the international break is probably the logical time now. However not logical in wider picture, as he should have been gone long ago.
I started having huge doubts about ten Hag after the Sevilla games last season. I was fully ten Hag out after finishing 4th in a CL Group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray.
This has been a long time coming, for me. I'd wait the entire international break if you guaranteed it right now.
Not only the football, his morals are suspects. His defence of his best bud, Overmars, never sat well with me. That was before he even got the job.
@Acquire Me Told you someone was going to defend him
That’s the usual positive pretext to the negative decision. It’s like when people say “I love Fergie but he shouldn’t make decisions on who our manager should be”Sjr seem to like ETH and he described him as a very good coach
Some new quotes just in to us from the Manchester United co-owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who has told our sports editor Dan Roan that a decision on Erik ten Hag's future is not his call.
Asked if he has faith in the Red Devils' boss, he said: “I don’t want to answer that question…I like Erik. I think he’s a very good coach but at the end of the day it’s not my call, it’s the management team that’s running Manchester United that have to decide how we best run the team in many different respects.
"But that team that’s running Manchester United has only been together since June or July. They weren’t there in January, February, March or April – [CEO] Omar [Berrada], [Sporting Director] Dan Ashworth - they only arrived in July.
"They’ve only been there…you can count it in weeks almost - they’ve not been there a long time so they need to take stock and make some sensible decisions.
"Our objective is very clear - we want to take Manchester United back to where it should be, and it’s not there yet, obviously - that’s very clear.”
Absolutely zero chance. You don’t give people games to save their jobs and then fire them anyway. If we win, he’s safe.The question is, in the unlikely event that we win against Villa on Sunday, would INEOS still have the balls to sack Erik during the international break?
A win would be another false dawn. Even Berrarda and Ashworth must be able to see that by now. I don't think many would argue against the sacking in such a scenario.
From the horses mouth, non-backing
No chance they would. They’d let the dust settle over the international break if we scraped a win tomorrow and then they’ll be no other chance and enough planning time to sack him then so we’d be stuck with him. Perfect opportunity on Monday. Start a fresh after the break.The question is, in the unlikely event that we win against Villa on Sunday, would INEOS still have the balls to sack Erik during the international break?
A win would be another false dawn. Even Berrarda and Ashworth must be able to see that by now. I don't think many would argue against the sacking in such a scenario.
It’s 50/50. If we lose by a goal he may be safe, I think if we get hammered then he’s 100% goneAbsolutely zero chance. You don’t give people games to save their jobs and then fire them anyway. If we win, he’s safe.
I actually think he’s 99% safe anyway but a win at Villa would cement it for a long time.
The question is, in the unlikely event that we win against Villa on Sunday, would INEOS still have the balls to sack Erik during the international break?
A win would be another false dawn. Even Berrarda and Ashworth must be able to see that by now. I don't think many would argue against the sacking in such a scenario.
If it’s like 6-0 then maybe. If it’s mere 3-0, I think we got used to that enough already for it to not bother anyone too much.It’s 50/50. If we lose by a goal he may be safe, I think if we get hammered then he’s 100% gone
Absolutely zero chance. You don’t give people games to save their jobs and then fire them anyway. If we win, he’s safe.
I actually think he’s 99% safe anyway but a win at Villa would cement it for a long time.
That’s the usual positive pretext to the negative decision. It’s like when people say “I love Fergie but he shouldn’t make decisions on who our manager should be”
I think a 3-0 may do it aswell. It will be the 25th time under ETH. That’s probably more than Fergie and one of the previous managers combined.If it’s like 6-0 then maybe. If it’s mere 3-0, I think we got used to that enough already for it to not bother anyone too much.
Whilst results always play a factor in these things, I would say that the decision to sack him or not is much more nuanced than many have made out. If it was purely results based, he’d be gone already. I would imagine there is a constant state of feedback between coaching staff and upper management, as well as Wilcox observing training sessions. They also all watch the matches and see how that translates into the field.The question is, in the unlikely event that we win against Villa on Sunday, would INEOS still have the balls to sack Erik during the international break?
A win would be another false dawn. Even Berrarda and Ashworth must be able to see that by now. I don't think many would argue against the sacking in such a scenario.
Nah, I don’t get that impression at all. Maybe they initially thought it was a good idea to fire him but after they saw how much love he got from the fans after the cup final, and how smoothly he can talk tactics / plan, they bought into it. Wouldn’t make sense for them to change their minds so swiftly after a few good games.I am all for giving someone you truly believe in time and even some extra time on that. But they don’t want him. We would have had Tuchel at this point if they agreed terms with him in the summer.
That’s exactly why it won’t matter, a 3-0 defeat is basically a casual defeat for us which we have accepted as normal.I think a 3-0 may do it aswell. It will be the 25th time under ETH. That’s probably more than Fergie and one of the previous managers combined.
They made a decision you disagreed with. That doesn't mean they aren't without any ambition and that they are happy for low standards throughout the seasonAgain, if they were ruthless he wouldn’t be here anymore and would not be getting ‘games to save his job’. He’s already shown his level this season.
Ye but let’s be honest. Conceding 3 in 3 games in a row would be absolutely rock bottom.That’s exactly why it won’t matter, a 3-0 defeat is basically a casual defeat for us which we have accepted as normal.