Maybe Ratcliffe is just a sadist? Like Lenny standing in the doorway with everyone else, watching Ten Hag, saying "Get ready, everybody. He's about to do something stupid."?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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season is a write off after seven games.. ineos will be focusing on securing a top manager from next season, so it makes little sense to give the job to Ruud so early on, what's the difference.
No idea where it came from originally, but I think most people could look at the fixture list and take an educated guess that after Villa would be the most likely time.
We 100% deserve all this when even a random schmuck from the internet could have told you how it's going to pan out. Our "best in class" people had a long review and ended up not only keeping him but actually activating his extension as well making it much harder to sack him. The most incompetent managerial decision we've ever made. Great start for Ineos.
Ten Hag is the most unlikeable manager we've had by far. Imagine gloating about how "I will always win" while putting these kind of performances week in week out, embarrassing himself and the club in the two actual important competitions. He goes on about "his" cups like he won the CL and like one of them wasn't a mickey mouse competition. Or like in the other cup he wasn't incredibly lucky to not lose to fecking Coventry. Absolutely sick of him using these cup wins to prop himself up. So small time and for some reason fans bought into it. This "winner" of a manager has won only 1 game out of the last 10 in Europe, and some people still have the nerve to say he's a good cup manager. I guess he needs easy home draws for his system to work.
One thing that does my head in is people still trying to make a claim that "there were no good options out there" so it was reasonable to keep him. Liverpool and Chelsea needed a manager and easily got one. It's only us who apparently either need this perfect manager who checks all the boxes or we rather just persist with a proven failure instead. We still somehow have people saying we've sacked too many managers. Only our fanbase can't comprehend that statistically most managers will fail. It's part of the game, you replace him and move on. But no, not with us. A flukey win vs Villa will give him at least another month. You'd think the best in class people wouln't base their decisions on a one off game but they already did exactly that.
Ten Hag is the most unlikeable manager we've had by far. Imagine gloating about how "I will always win" while putting these kind of performances week in week out, embarrassing himself and the club in the two actual important competitions. He goes on about "his" cups like he won the CL and like one of them wasn't a mickey mouse competition. Or like in the other cup he wasn't incredibly lucky to not lose to fecking Coventry. Absolutely sick of him using these cup wins to prop himself up. So small time and for some reason fans bought into it. This "winner" of a manager has won only 1 game out of the last 10 in Europe, and some people still have the nerve to say he's a good cup manager. I guess he needs easy home draws for his system to work.
One thing that does my head in is people still trying to make a claim that "there were no good options out there" so it was reasonable to keep him. Liverpool and Chelsea needed a manager and easily got one. It's only us who apparently either need this perfect manager who checks all the boxes or we rather just persist with a proven failure instead. We still somehow have people saying we've sacked too many managers. Only our fanbase can't comprehend that statistically most managers will fail. It's part of the game, you replace him and move on. But no, not with us. A flukey win vs Villa will give him at least another month. You'd think the best in class people wouln't base their decisions on a one off game but they already did exactly that.
Every failure this season is on him.
Most of the players he got are comfortable playing a passing possession football under other managers. It was under him they turn to shite.
I'm looking forward that a head coach who have the ability and clarity in his tactics to coach these players.
Most of the players he got are comfortable playing a passing possession football under other managers. It was under him they turn to shite.
I'm looking forward that a head coach who have the ability and clarity in his tactics to coach these players.
Think even Fabrizio more or less confirmed it.
The difference is we might be better under Ruud, we won't under ETH, if we are not replacing until next season maybe Ruud could at least get us into a better position, who knows, maybe he would also be bad, but has to be worth the attempt
Scary how a guy can spend over £600m and we look worse than under previous managers.
Tired of his waffling and excuses, time for INEOS to show they won't duck the big calls.
Tired of his waffling and excuses, time for INEOS to show they won't duck the big calls.
It is pure madness at this stage. All of our squad was either signed under EtH or given a new contract or promoted to the first team by EtH. Exceptions being Lindelof (who is like 6th choice defender) and Maguire (who actually saved us from the defeat yesterday).
Only Rashford and Shaw are left from LvG, they plus Lindelof and Dalot are left from Jose. We have only 6 players from Ole left (8 if you include Amad and Garnacho who were there under Ole but did not play much in the first team).
It is EtH squad as much as a manager can expect it to be in his third season. It is his job to motivate the players and get the best out of them. There are no particular indications that they are downing tools or throwing him under the bus - when was the last leak from players camp that there is dissatisfaction with EtH?
Unless one claims some grand anti-EtH conspiracy, with each player who is signed even with his blessing somehow becoming a part of it, EtH is a major culprit. Of course he does not take all the blame, it is never that simple. But the executives above him have been replaced. The players have largely being replaced. The coaching staff also. Even medical staff. He is the elephant in the room.
Let’s be realistic here how many player’s has United signed in the last 3 years without PL experience that have been a bonafied hit?
How Many ?
At least Ole and Jose got some transfers right, Fred and Maguire are hugely underrated and undervalued , Matic, Cavani and Zlatan relatively successful, Pogba for all his antics and his ego, he was light years beyond the current C and D listers that Eric the Fraud has bought, my point was unless your buying a superstar from Europe they very rarely do well in the PL, let alone at a huge club like United where the pressure simply overwhelms them!
Another day, and not even an inkling of news about him being sacked. Hopefully it's just INEOS being secure, but then again the Tuchel interview rumours in the summer spread like wildfire.
100%.
For me personally, I think it's still something like Mourinho > van Gaal >> Ole > ten Hag > Moyes
Actually kinda feel sad for ETH now, looks drained in every interview, seems like he knows what's coming for him. Shame he doesn't negotiate a deal to leave the club, rather than waiting to be sacked. I see no way back for him, he's lost some of the players and we all know how it goes from here.
Honestly. I haven't judged him critically at all since Luke Shaw got injured.
After Moyes, he's the next worst all things considered.
Feel sorry for guys like Mainoo and Garnacho, who at such a young age have been burdened with immense pressure because of ten Hag's incompetence.
Unless our so called "best in class" football people are brave enough to admit thier mistakes and make changes soon by appointing new manager. We can still win the EL to qualify for CL. However, I think the PL is gone.
It's nonsense. The answer whether to sack him should be a no brainer if it gets to "one game" stage.
What if we get a lucky draw/scrape a 1-0 and are hanging on for most of the game? All is forgotten?
There is nothing to feel sorry about. I am sure they themselves would want the pressure, most young players thrive on it, especially if they are really good players.
Look at Mbappe, Jude, Haaland all were the main men in their team, with pressure. Mbappe had the pressure of winning the CL and world cup.
I do truly believe he was doomed after that Brentford 4-0.
The second anyone rates Pogba I stop listening, I have taken shits I regret flushing more than that waste
who? they were trying to find someone in the summer, not much has changed in 2 months. If there was a top class manager available it'd be easier
Let me guess he thinks it's the same players letting managers down for the last 10 years? I have a mate who is the same no matter how many times I point out that we don't have the same squad of players.
He's incredibly stubborn and that will be his downfall.
He's done IMO and I reckon he would have been done if Tuchel said yes to us in the summer.
I get the whole we need time part of it, but this squad is more than good enough to properly comepete for top 4 (that's gone already) and have a decent playing style. Nobody is asking for prime Barcelona levels of football but our performances have been unacceptable.
He's done IMO and I reckon he would have been done if Tuchel said yes to us in the summer.
I get the whole we need time part of it, but this squad is more than good enough to properly comepete for top 4 (that's gone already) and have a decent playing style. Nobody is asking for prime Barcelona levels of football but our performances have been unacceptable.
The best in class are paid millions per year salary to solve exactly that. If they can't, they need to ask themselves are they really competent for the positions. In the same window, Liverpool and Chelsea seems to change manager quite ok.
But why? Even if we beat Villa it doesn't fundamentally change anything.
Those two games, Brighton and Brentford were his ideology/system. We got battered so he changed it.
Then we got more players for his system (last year) and the same issues we had those first two games extrapolated over a whole year. We got outplayed probably in a good 80% of games last year, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.
This basically means, the closer we get to what he wants from us - the worse we look. The improvement in form this year is mainly due to players being more available. We have more control in games Eriksen, we pressed well when Mount played. It wasn't the system.
The football people at the club had nothing to do with Jose or Ole
You don’t have to believe everything you read in the press.
I hope the decision has already been made, and that they're just stringing things along for a bit while wheels are put in motion. He's done, 100%. And I for one will be hugely relieved to see the back of him.
INEOS first feckup was not having the balls to sack him in the summer. It was the difficult but right decision.
But they didnt want to go against the fanbase at the time, and played it safe, knowing they will only sack him after a bad run of form, with the fanbases approval, like now.
This means less pressure/criticism from fanbase if their new guy failed after coming in the summer. Also means we have somewhat written off this season. Sucks.
But they didnt want to go against the fanbase at the time, and played it safe, knowing they will only sack him after a bad run of form, with the fanbases approval, like now.
This means less pressure/criticism from fanbase if their new guy failed after coming in the summer. Also means we have somewhat written off this season. Sucks.
100%, it is INEOS trying to save face atm. They took digs at the Glazers during the takeover process but they've come in talking a big game and brought in some shiny, new toys and failed in the exact same way in regards to on field matters as the Glazers. Now, they are refusing to admit defeat when everyone else can see this is a lost cause.
Laurie Whitwell on the Talk of the Devils podcast said he doesn’t think this is the “end game” for Ten Hag and the hierarchy insist his job is not under pressure
Seems implausible that he could survive a Villa defeat but there we go
Seems implausible that he could survive a Villa defeat but there we go
Is his name Mark Goldbridge by any chance?
Seems like guesswork.
INEOS are amateurs if this is how they and the people they've appointed analyse things.
There's 19 months worth of data since winning The League Cup. Simple research and analysis by fellow Caftards and myself have shown how poor most of stats are and have been for long a time.
It doesn’t, if they are intent on sacking him I would guess he is going irrespective of the result and just waiting for the international break.
Just as stupid as the FA final being a make. It’s just one game, anything could happen. Ineos behaving like amateurs
Same players was it?
I was browsing various online platforms during the game, and we still had some fans saying BS like 'let him cook, he is building something' when we went 2 up. Only then, for them to start saying 'nah, get rid of him when we went behind.
Some people are suckers and will never learn.
Let me guess he thinks it's the same players letting managers down for the last 10 years? I have a mate who is the same no matter how many times I point out that we don't have the same squad of players.
He was like this about Ole/Jose too. He will start to vaguely criticise the managers, before lumping it all on the players again. Infuriating.
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