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Although it was painstakingly boring football under LVG, but at least LVG had much worse squad than ETH.

We sacked after LVG won 7 in his last 10 and drawing some 2 games in that. Playstyle was given as a reason for that.

Now we dont even play any style and somehow ETH has survived relegation form for months
 
VP89 said:
This. Pot shots and blind passes just like its training. Don't think they have any faith in him.
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That's it for me.

I really wanted him to succeed, but once the players stop believing then he's toast. It's quite evident on the pitch, they either don't know what they are supposed to be doing or they just aren't capable of executing it, I wouldn't say the players are totally blameless, Rashford's attempts to defend both goals yesterday were laughably bad.

But it also comes back to him, to set the team and not put them out their to play in a way that leaves them exposed through the middle. I'll never understand why you'd send Dalot into midfield and force Eriksen out to the left in the build up phase and keep doing it, when it's clearly not working.

He may very well be successful somewhere else in the future, but at this stage, it looks like his tenure at Utd is definitely coming to an end.
 
Solius said:
Again, if his future depends on the Villa game then that means he should go. No manager decision should come down to one result.
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Maybe Ratcliffe is just a sadist? Like Lenny standing in the doorway with everyone else, watching Ten Hag, saying "Get ready, everybody. He's about to do something stupid."?
 
season is a write off after seven games.. ineos will be focusing on securing a top manager from next season, so it makes little sense to give the job to Ruud so early on, what's the difference.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Am I right in thinking that the whole "he has two games to save his job" thing came from Jamie fecking Jackson? I'd believe my dog before I believed Jamie "fecking" fecking Jackson.
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No idea where it came from originally, but I think most people could look at the fixture list and take an educated guess that after Villa would be the most likely time.
 
We 100% deserve all this when even a random schmuck from the internet could have told you how it's going to pan out. Our "best in class" people had a long review and ended up not only keeping him but actually activating his extension as well making it much harder to sack him. The most incompetent managerial decision we've ever made. Great start for Ineos.

Ten Hag is the most unlikeable manager we've had by far. Imagine gloating about how "I will always win" while putting these kind of performances week in week out, embarrassing himself and the club in the two actual important competitions. He goes on about "his" cups like he won the CL and like one of them wasn't a mickey mouse competition. Or like in the other cup he wasn't incredibly lucky to not lose to fecking Coventry. Absolutely sick of him using these cup wins to prop himself up. So small time and for some reason fans bought into it. This "winner" of a manager has won only 1 game out of the last 10 in Europe, and some people still have the nerve to say he's a good cup manager. I guess he needs easy home draws for his system to work.

One thing that does my head in is people still trying to make a claim that "there were no good options out there" so it was reasonable to keep him. Liverpool and Chelsea needed a manager and easily got one. It's only us who apparently either need this perfect manager who checks all the boxes or we rather just persist with a proven failure instead. We still somehow have people saying we've sacked too many managers. Only our fanbase can't comprehend that statistically most managers will fail. It's part of the game, you replace him and move on. But no, not with us. A flukey win vs Villa will give him at least another month. You'd think the best in class people wouln't base their decisions on a one off game but they already did exactly that.
 
Every failure this season is on him.
Most of the players he got are comfortable playing a passing possession football under other managers. It was under him they turn to shite.
I'm looking forward that a head coach who have the ability and clarity in his tactics to coach these players.
 
red_de_pologne said:
season is a write off after seven games.. ineos will be focusing on securing a top manager from next season, so it makes little sense to give the job to Ruud so early on, what's the difference.
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The difference is we might be better under Ruud, we won't under ETH, if we are not replacing until next season maybe Ruud could at least get us into a better position, who knows, maybe he would also be bad, but has to be worth the attempt
 
Scary how a guy can spend over £600m and we look worse than under previous managers.

Tired of his waffling and excuses, time for INEOS to show they won't duck the big calls.
 
Robbie Boy said:
One of my mates does my head in. He just refuses to criticise ETH and he's WhatsApping me today blaming the players!
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It is pure madness at this stage. All of our squad was either signed under EtH or given a new contract or promoted to the first team by EtH. Exceptions being Lindelof (who is like 6th choice defender) and Maguire (who actually saved us from the defeat yesterday).

Only Rashford and Shaw are left from LvG, they plus Lindelof and Dalot are left from Jose. We have only 6 players from Ole left (8 if you include Amad and Garnacho who were there under Ole but did not play much in the first team).

It is EtH squad as much as a manager can expect it to be in his third season. It is his job to motivate the players and get the best out of them. There are no particular indications that they are downing tools or throwing him under the bus - when was the last leak from players camp that there is dissatisfaction with EtH?

Unless one claims some grand anti-EtH conspiracy, with each player who is signed even with his blessing somehow becoming a part of it, EtH is a major culprit. Of course he does not take all the blame, it is never that simple. But the executives above him have been replaced. The players have largely being replaced. The coaching staff also. Even medical staff. He is the elephant in the room.
 
Zed 101 said:
You cannot just pick figures out of the air like they are fact!

Branthwaite supposedly they want £80m
Yoro had sights on Madrid next season we paid up to get the club to sell now, just because you say £40m doesn't mean it was achievable
A Onana, unproven but at least he is playing in a functional set up
Ugarte, got to give Ugarte a fair go before condemning him to the scrap heap

In a properly set up team Maguire, Yoro, De Light and Martinez (not counting Evans as surely last season) are really great CB options, Maz and Dalot RB again great, LB is the big issue and we really should have signed somebody that side rather than opting for Dalot

As for a CF, there seems little point signing a CF for a system that does not support a CF, Hoijlund already gets zero service, anyone else will be likewise left adrift
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Let’s be realistic here how many player’s has United signed in the last 3 years without PL experience that have been a bonafied hit?
How Many ?

At least Ole and Jose got some transfers right, Fred and Maguire are hugely underrated and undervalued , Matic, Cavani and Zlatan relatively successful, Pogba for all his antics and his ego, he was light years beyond the current C and D listers that Eric the Fraud has bought, my point was unless your buying a superstar from Europe they very rarely do well in the PL, let alone at a huge club like United where the pressure simply overwhelms them!
 
Another day, and not even an inkling of news about him being sacked. Hopefully it's just INEOS being secure, but then again the Tuchel interview rumours in the summer spread like wildfire.
 
SilentWitness said:
He is lucky that he's won trophies as without them I think he'd be comfortably seen as the worst manager you've had post-Fergie.
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100%.

For me personally, I think it's still something like Mourinho > van Gaal >> Ole > ten Hag > Moyes
 
Actually kinda feel sad for ETH now, looks drained in every interview, seems like he knows what's coming for him. Shame he doesn't negotiate a deal to leave the club, rather than waiting to be sacked. I see no way back for him, he's lost some of the players and we all know how it goes from here.
 
Samid said:
14 goals in the last 6 games. At least he has sorted out the goal scoring issues from last season.

Now he needs the players to stop letting him down in defence. So many individual mistakes that shouldn’t be happening. Think we should be set once Shaw and Yoro are back. They are high IQ players who are able to follow instructions.
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Honestly. I haven't judged him critically at all since Luke Shaw got injured.
 
Red_toad said:
Actually kinda feel sad for ETH now, looks drained in every interview, seems like he knows what's coming for him. Shame he doesn't negotiate a deal to leave the club, rather than waiting to be sacked. I see no way back for him, he's lost some of the players and we all know how it goes from here.
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Feel sorry for guys like Mainoo and Garnacho, who at such a young age have been burdened with immense pressure because of ten Hag's incompetence.
 
red_de_pologne said:
season is a write off after seven games.. ineos will be focusing on securing a top manager from next season, so it makes little sense to give the job to Ruud so early on, what's the difference.
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Unless our so called "best in class" football people are brave enough to admit thier mistakes and make changes soon by appointing new manager. We can still win the EL to qualify for CL. However, I think the PL is gone.
 
Solius said:
Again, if his future depends on the Villa game then that means he should go. No manager decision should come down to one result.
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It's nonsense. The answer whether to sack him should be a no brainer if it gets to "one game" stage.

What if we get a lucky draw/scrape a 1-0 and are hanging on for most of the game? All is forgotten?
 
Born2Lose said:
Feel sorry for guys like Mainoo and Garnacho, who at such a young age have been burdened with immense pressure because of ten Hag's incompetence.
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There is nothing to feel sorry about. I am sure they themselves would want the pressure, most young players thrive on it, especially if they are really good players.

Look at Mbappe, Jude, Haaland all were the main men in their team, with pressure. Mbappe had the pressure of winning the CL and world cup.
 
I do truly believe he was doomed after that Brentford 4-0.
 
Woziak said:
Let’s be realistic here how many player’s has United signed in the last 3 years without PL experience that have been a bonafied hit?
How Many ?

At least Ole and Jose got some transfers right, Fred and Maguire are hugely underrated and undervalued , Matic, Cavani and Zlatan relatively successful, Pogba for all his antics and his ego, he was light years beyond the current C and D listers that Eric the Fraud has bought, my point was unless your buying a superstar from Europe they very rarely do well in the PL, let alone at a huge club like United where the pressure simply overwhelms them!
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The second anyone rates Pogba I stop listening, I have taken shits I regret flushing more than that waste
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Unless our so called "best in class" football people are brave enough to admit thier mistakes and make changes soon by appointing new manager. We can still win the EL to qualify for CL. However, I think the PL is gone.
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who? they were trying to find someone in the summer, not much has changed in 2 months. If there was a top class manager available it'd be easier
 
Robbie Boy said:
One of my mates does my head in. He just refuses to criticise ETH and he's WhatsApping me today blaming the players!
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Let me guess he thinks it's the same players letting managers down for the last 10 years? I have a mate who is the same no matter how many times I point out that we don't have the same squad of players. :lol:
 
He's incredibly stubborn and that will be his downfall.
He's done IMO and I reckon he would have been done if Tuchel said yes to us in the summer.
I get the whole we need time part of it, but this squad is more than good enough to properly comepete for top 4 (that's gone already) and have a decent playing style. Nobody is asking for prime Barcelona levels of football but our performances have been unacceptable.
 
red_de_pologne said:
who? they were trying to find someone in the summer, not much has changed in 2 months. If there was a top class manager available it'd be easier
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The best in class are paid millions per year salary to solve exactly that. If they can't, they need to ask themselves are they really competent for the positions. In the same window, Liverpool and Chelsea seems to change manager quite ok.
 
BluesJr said:
I do truly believe he was doomed after that Brentford 4-0.
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Those two games, Brighton and Brentford were his ideology/system. We got battered so he changed it.

Then we got more players for his system (last year) and the same issues we had those first two games extrapolated over a whole year. We got outplayed probably in a good 80% of games last year, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

This basically means, the closer we get to what he wants from us - the worse we look. The improvement in form this year is mainly due to players being more available. We have more control in games Eriksen, we pressed well when Mount played. It wasn't the system.
 
hobbers said:
The way football people, or at least the idiots around United, approach these situations is hilarious.

How many make-or-break moments have we had under Jose, Ole, Hag now? Probably at least a dozen between the 3 of them.

Make or break moment is a euphemism for "we were too thick/cowardly to sack him when it was obvious he had failed"
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The football people at the club had nothing to do with Jose or Ole

You don’t have to believe everything you read in the press.
 
I hope the decision has already been made, and that they're just stringing things along for a bit while wheels are put in motion. He's done, 100%. And I for one will be hugely relieved to see the back of him.
 
INEOS first feckup was not having the balls to sack him in the summer. It was the difficult but right decision.

But they didnt want to go against the fanbase at the time, and played it safe, knowing they will only sack him after a bad run of form, with the fanbases approval, like now.

This means less pressure/criticism from fanbase if their new guy failed after coming in the summer. Also means we have somewhat written off this season. Sucks.
 
hobbers said:
The way football people, or at least the idiots around United, approach these situations is hilarious.

How many make-or-break moments have we had under Jose, Ole, Hag now? Probably at least a dozen between the 3 of them.

Make or break moment is a euphemism for "we were too thick/cowardly to sack him when it was obvious he had failed"
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100%, it is INEOS trying to save face atm. They took digs at the Glazers during the takeover process but they've come in talking a big game and brought in some shiny, new toys and failed in the exact same way in regards to on field matters as the Glazers. Now, they are refusing to admit defeat when everyone else can see this is a lost cause.
 
Laurie Whitwell on the Talk of the Devils podcast said he doesn’t think this is the “end game” for Ten Hag and the hierarchy insist his job is not under pressure

Seems implausible that he could survive a Villa defeat but there we go
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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Seems like guesswork.

INEOS are amateurs if this is how they and the people they've appointed analyse things.

There's 19 months worth of data since winning The League Cup. Simple research and analysis by fellow Caftards and myself have shown how poor most of stats are and have been for long a time.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
But why? Even if we beat Villa it doesn't fundamentally change anything.
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It doesn’t, if they are intent on sacking him I would guess he is going irrespective of the result and just waiting for the international break.
 
Zed 101 said:
I would also say in defence of Moyes, he immediately followed SAF which would have been an uphill task for any but maybe Ancellotti, Klopp, Pep?

Not only that the previous season SAF managed to get a league winning performance out of what was a squad that had pretty much come to an end and needed a massive overhaul, not sure anyone other than SAF could have got that squad to win anything (at that stage, ages etc.)

Ultimately the players really let Moyes down, they pretty much downed tools with a 3rd of the season left, (just like they did with Mou and Ole), not saying Moyes was great, that he was good enough or wouldn't have failed regardless, but I think he faced factors that none of the other post SAF managers had to face, I am confident that given £600m to spend and 3 seasons grace that we would be a better team under Moyes than we are under ETH
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Same players was it?
 
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