I get your feelings! The only thing we haven’t tried is having a good footballing structure in place. Hopefully, we have that now and can focus on the future without relying too much on the current manager.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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I get your feelings! The only thing we haven’t tried is having a good footballing structure in place. Hopefully, we have that now and can focus on the future without relying too much on the current manager.
Stop making excuses. His CB pairing he was happy to shell out around £90m for. These are not second choice. His RB would prob start ahead of Dalot. The LB position is his only gap in the whole starting 11. Even you’re trying to get a response or utterly deluded like the rest of his fan club.
Yeah that analogy just about sums up the last 2 years of this process.
We haven't tried a young coach. There are a dozen or so coaches in the 30-45 age category who are making a big impact across Europe.
Arsenal did - Now look a proper club and outfit.
Leverkusen did - Went an entire domestic season undefeated.
Sporting did - Won 2 league titles and multiple domestic cups after going 19 years without a league title
Bayern did - Took a gamble on Kompany and look excellent this season. They dominated Leverkusen recently.
Juventus did - Haven't conceded a goal in Serie A since Motta was appointed.
Brighton did - Hürzeler is only 31 and has lost just 1 game out 8 so far this season.
Stuttgart did - Runners-up in The Bundesliga last season. They were a division below just over 4 years ago.
Ipswich did - From League One to The PL in less than 3 years under McKenna
Lens - Undefeated in Ligue 1 under 31 year old Will Still.
INEOS is a multi billion pound company. It's not about not having the money.
Those '2 all time greats' were both clearly past their best by the time that they joined us. LVG never managed a club side again after us (indeed it was another five years before he managed anything again), and Mourinho has had to settle for smaller and smaller clubs at every stage as he continuously fails at each level.
At the end of the day, the club was failing at multiple things. One of those things is that it was hiring the wrong managers. None of them would have had any real success even if everything else at the club was set up correctly. Maybe a few extra of the smaller cups (EFL, FA, Europa) but we still wouldn't have been competing for the PL or CL. The managers themselves simply weren't good enough and they do have the single biggest impact on performances and results.
On the flip side, everything else at the club was poor enough that even the best managers would have struggled to compete for the PL or CL. Once again I expect we'd have won more of the smaller cups and not had so many horror seasons where everything went wrong, but I'm not sure if even a Pep or Klopp could have got us to the absolute business end of the big comps. But that never happened, because one of the most clear signs of the hierarchy not being good enough is that they were choosing the wrong managers.
Both aspects of the club need to be right and working together to achieve success. The rest of the club hierarchy and set-up needs to be good enough, AND the manager needs to be good enough. We've just had a decade where neither have been true which is why things have been so bad. However we've now just replaced pretty much the entire set-up above and around the manager with people who are much more qualified for those positions, so hopefully that side of things will now be good enough (only time will tell for sure). Now it's time to fix the other half of the problem - the manager.
Should have used the Ugarte money to sack him. ten Hag would have preferred to keep McTominay if he got his way.
The real concern is breaching financial fair play, though I don't know if the summer outgoings have helped there.
7 of them against Barnsley.
Also absolutely nothing indicating he’s capable of sorting out the defense.
He’s significantly worse than Moyes, and I never thought a day would come where I would say that.
We finished lower in the league than we did under Moyes with a goal difference I would not have thought possible.
We’ve spent significantly more money under him, with two of his signings being contenders for our worst signings ever (Felliani and Mata were useful now and then)
Our style of play manages to simultaneously look less potent when attacking while also more open and vulnerable in defense which makes us just awful to watch.
We didn’t regularly get hammered by our rivals and teams vaguely close to us.
Moyes was actually able to make it out of the CL group stage.
And lastly, Moyes was nowhere near as arrogant and insufferable to watch or listen to as ETH is, and I thought Moyes came across as undeservedly arrogant at United.
Two domestic cups don’t elevate ETH above Moyes. ETH is comfortably the worst United manager I’ve seen in my lifetime. Bald f raud doesn’t even begin to describe him. I’m actually seething while typing this. I dislike ETH as much as I’ve ever disliked anyone associated with football and as much as you can dislike a man you’ve never met.
Honestly, look at this message. what to do with this kind of braindead thinking? Absolutely garbage logic and low iq level of reasoning. First of all, it’s not a god damn marriage. It’s a sport where you hire managers and sign players every season to enhance your football team. Most often than not they don’t fit. So you move on and sign more players until they perform for you.
Secondly, we aren’t a fecking unique club operating in a different league on a different planet. Every club go through this literally every damn club. You name it. Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool etc etc etc. And how do you get it right? Keep hiring until you do get it right especially when the structure is there now. Opinions like your post should be chucked into the toilet because that’s where they belong.
10 against Barnsley and Southampton.
7 of them against Barnsley.
Also absolutely nothing indicating he’s capable of sorting out the defense.
Southampton are going to finish rock bottom and will be lucky to amass 25 points this season if they stick with Russell Martin.
And the crazy thing is, they outplayed us for 30 minutes. Dibling forced a great save out of Onana, Ugochukwu had a free header from a corner, and Archer missed a penalty + the rebound. Then the game changed.
Look at the managers we've hired, they all play vastly different styles which means they've had to go buy half a new squad to even try to play their way, which generally backfired.
You mention Liverpool, his style is an adaptation of Klopps... It's not some radical swing and they're playing it having signed no new players. They've not gone for some big name who plays a vastly different style to the squad they've built. That's having leadership with a brain.
When you look at the glaring tactical issues we create under ETH any manager coming in will have a massive and immediate impact, they will narrow the gaps and the distance between the lines, that alone will see us with less turnovers and more solidity, more passing options and the ability to increase our pace of passing..... just taking this team back to basics, even if we go 4-4-2 (BTW I love 4-4-2, it is proper football) and stop messing about, everybody just play their own position, the difference would be instant.
I am serious when I say any other manager would immediately get us playing 10x better than we have been, Big Sam, Neil Warnock... wheel Rednap out of retirement, any manager who understands the basics of football looks at the way we play and can see how horrific the coaching, formation and tactics are, and we are easy to beat because our weaknesses are easy to exploit.
ETH's first season was made by Rashford having an incredible run of form, since then he has survived thanks to moments of individual brilliance, I can think of a handful of great team performances when I have thought, hang on something could come better, then the next game, same old shite! I do not know how ETH has not lost the players before now, but it looks as if they may finally be giving up out of sheer depression over results and performances
I am serious when I say any other manager would immediately get us playing 10x better than we have been, Big Sam, Neil Warnock... wheel Rednap out of retirement, any manager who understands the basics of football looks at the way we play and can see how horrific the coaching, formation and tactics are, and we are easy to beat because our weaknesses are easy to exploit.
ETH's first season was made by Rashford having an incredible run of form, since then he has survived thanks to moments of individual brilliance, I can think of a handful of great team performances when I have thought, hang on something could come better, then the next game, same old shite! I do not know how ETH has not lost the players before now, but it looks as if they may finally be giving up out of sheer depression over results and performances
Thing is ETH is a bit of a bogey for Emery. Since Emery beat ETH in his new manager bounce (Emery's 1st match with Villa) ETH is on a 4 match win streak.
4-0-0
9 GF
6 GA
I'm still backing him. Tired of us constantly sacking managers to then move onto someone completely different, who would want a different set of players and different set of style that will take us another 2-3 years to recover from. Give him to whole season at least and without pressure that he can be sacked at any time. The constant negativity around the club will only be detrimental right now.
The funniest thing is that ETH fans will use it to his defence and there's a good chance he survives because of this one point. Lose to Villa now, and we're still in good spot with EtH just needing a little bit more time and a full preseason.Scraping a draw in a Europa League game on a Thursday night. Oh how the standards have fallen
To be honest, ten Hag's style has been very similar to Ole's in terms of depending on fast transitions and counter attacks.
We (fans) thought ten Hag would bring a more controlled approach, with an emphasis on possession. We were wrong.
Harsh on Ruud. He's been here, what, a few months? As shown with McKenna (& Carrick), it's not always the case where assistants are clueless. It's just possible that the manager doesn't give them enough scope to make a massive difference. Not that I'm advocating for Ruud.
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Win or lose on Sunday, he should go at the international break.
ETH is done, same mistakes again. We play a 4-3-3 with 4 attackers. Rashford, as our fastest attacker, cannot defend at the 16-yard line. So as long as our opponents overlaod our left wing, we have troubles. ETH could try a different formation. 3-5-2. for example. Martinez, Maguire, de Ligt give us enough playmaking, hight and physicality. We should have more control in our MF and can create different striker duos, even switch to a 3-4-3 formation with the ball. But to change the formation, we would need a manager, who is not stubborn as hell.
I mean, are there like legit still people defending EtH to the point you're able to call them "fans"? I mean what could they possibly still be clinging onto?
Yeah, feck winning right?
Hopefully gone by the break. Wanted him to stay at the end of the season but come to the conclusion he's not the man. We don't need a long drawn out affair.
He'll be gone during the break. We've had what, 3 wins? Fulham, Southampton and Barnsley. Piss poor.
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Firstly, why would getting a new manager inevitably turn to shit in 2+ years? Just because it has in the past, when we've had an incompetent boardroom hiring incompetent managers? Maybe, just maybe, the hierarchy is now improved and hires someone who is more aligned to where we want to be (even if they aren't necessarily going to be the one to take us all the way).
Secondly, you really think that it's the players that are letting down the manager? The players who have now almost all been signed by that manager or bought into the squad by him (many of whom had played under him previously)? The players who through individual quality are the only reason we haven't been even worse than we have been over the last 18 months, as our diabolical tactics and playstyle have set them up to fail match after match? The players who are still trying now, despite the utter incompetence of the manager?
I agree, though I'm not sure if that's something ETH has done by freewill or because of the reality of the squad he had considering it's not how his Ajax team played and I think he alluded to it himself early on. Granted it gets harder to explain as time has gone on.
Don’t think they watch us play.
Rashers is capable of doing that. He’s also capable of a season of not trying. And that’s why his type ain’t suited to a team wanting to win the league.
And Fulham could've won that match, they have a 2 v 1 break in the 2nd half which they cocked up.
Football is not a marriage, its not even comparable.
But if you want to compare it, I can give you a better comparison. You are a billionaire (United), the biggest personality in your field (United are one of the biggest clubs) so when you get married you want someone who matches all your ambitions, achievements etc..
You give her 10000's of millions to shop for how they dress and instead you get her spending the money on her friends and wasting it, not giving you anything back. Instead she is cheating on you and getting battered by your rivals left right centre and posting on socials.
That is what is happening, he has got millions to spend, yet cannot get a team to pass.
Ruud to get the job until the end of the season, do somewhat well, get a permanent contract, realise it was all a huge mistake in 18 months time, rinse and repeat.
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I would also say in defence of Moyes, he immediately followed SAF which would have been an uphill task for any but maybe Ancellotti, Klopp, Pep?
Not only that the previous season SAF managed to get a league winning performance out of what was a squad that had pretty much come to an end and needed a massive overhaul, not sure anyone other than SAF could have got that squad to win anything (at that stage, ages etc.)
Ultimately the players really let Moyes down, they pretty much downed tools with a 3rd of the season left, (just like they did with Mou and Ole), not saying Moyes was great, that he was good enough or wouldn't have failed regardless, but I think he faced factors that none of the other post SAF managers had to face, I am confident that given £600m to spend and 3 seasons grace that we would be a better team under Moyes than we are under ETH
I'm convinced we will avoid defeat at Villa on Sunday, which will secure EtH for a nice run of fixtures in October.
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