Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

[Werd.]

One of my mates does my head in. He just refuses to criticise ETH and he's WhatsApping me today blaming the players!

I was browsing various online platforms during the game, and we still had some fans saying BS like 'let him cook, he is building something' when we went 2 up. Only then, for them to start saying 'nah, get rid of him when we went behind.

Some people are suckers and will never learn.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Let me guess he thinks it's the same players letting managers down for the last 10 years? I have a mate who is the same no matter how many times I point out that we don't have the same squad of players.

He was like this about Ole/Jose too. He will start to vaguely criticise the managers, before lumping it all on the players again. Infuriating.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Is his name Mark Goldbridge by any chance?

Thankfully I know nothing of these social media types. I've never watched a single minute of any of them but this Goldbridge sounds like an absolute whopper.

 

[r0663664]

Erik is so shameless to stay at United. He got a cheeks to blame everything except himself. Time of FO.

 

[AndySmith1990]

I really struggle to believe this, because the implication would be that Ratcliffe and Co are morons

 

[The Firestarter]

But why? Even if we beat Villa it doesn't fundamentally change anything.

Because we have best in class knee jerkers apparently

 

[Fallon d'Floor]

I really struggle to believe this, because the implication would be that Ratcliffe and Co are morons

Ratcliffe was a Brexiteer. The signs were there.

 

[Zed 101]

Erik is so shameless to stay at United. He got a cheeks to blame everything except himself. Time of FO.

Yeah but according to him in his post match, judge him at the end of the season, just like last season..... deluded and arrogant

 

[kaku06]

You have to laugh at this point. So if we win against Villa, it’s make then

 

[Godfather]

So they are going to make me root for Villa then or what

 

[Robbie Boy]

If we beat Villa (l o l) then everything is fine. Ok.

 

[kaku06]

Just as stupid as the FA final being a make. It’s just one game, anything could happen. Ineos behaving like amateurs

Ten hag did say about INEOS that they are new to football, they don’t know that much or something

 

[holdsteady]

Lads we are 6 points off 4th not 60. He's not going anywhere

 

[golden_blunder]

Also his comparison of EtH to Benitez is very generous, to put it mildly. Honestly, rather an insult to Benitez.

Yes, Benitez wasn’t the most likeable character and not up with the very best managers in the world. Yes we made fun of him here. But EtH’s achievements are nowhere near his. Not even close.

Benitez had a lot less resources than the top teams when he was managing Valencia and Liverpool, yet he won 2 La Liga titles, an UEFA cup and a CL whilst mostly being competitive (although behind the top) in the PL. He was also repeatedly sacked at other clubs quite early with the results usually being not that bad (at least vs EtH), so you might say that he did not have enough time.

Compare that to EtH who was at Ajax with a budget of multiple times more than the next club and at United who spent more than almost everyone under him (and allowed him to stay after 18 month of generally awful performances and results).

Yes, Benitez eventually declined and was constantly falling out with boards/players especially in the later part of his career. But Benitez is more like Tuchel level manager. Whereas EtH is Ole level manager at best.

Insult to Ole

 

[Robbie Boy]

Lads we are 6 points off 4th not 60. He's not going anywhere

6 points off 4th after 6 games with a -3 goal difference.

 

[VP89]

You have to laugh at this point. So if we win against Villa, it’s make then

I suppose there's always going to be one game that has to be a breaking point for the owners.

 

[VP89]

Insult to Ole

As poor as Ten Hag is this and last season, I still have him miles ahead of Ole.

 

[kaku06]

How does Omar Berrada come from City and then tolerate this kind of shit that is going on here at this club? Is he a Man City plant or something to finish us for good?

 

[golden_blunder]

Same players was it?

There’s always a slight flaw in the plan

 

[golden_blunder]

As poor as Ten Hag is this and last season, I still have him miles ahead of Ole.

Yeah but you’re weird. No offence

 

[GreatDane]

Lads we are 6 points off 4th not 60. He's not going anywhere

We are also 6 points of 20th

 

[golden_blunder]

Rangers have more points and are higher in the EL

Rangers

 

[romufc]

Same players was it?

This is lazy from those fans really.. oh they will down tools and throw the manager under the bus.. the poster was probably watching Mark Goldbridge.

We have given Ten Hag a 12 new players, 6 of them who have played under him previously. There is no way I can get behind the "same old players throwing him under the bus" because they are not the same. Only Rashford remains, unless you telling me 1 player has that much influence?

 

[Fallon d'Floor]

Lads we are 6 points off 4th not 60. He's not going anywhere

Ole was 6 points off 4th when he was sacked. And that was on the back of a 2nd place finish and reaching a Europa League final.

ten Hag is on the back of United's worst ever PL season. 19 months of terrible football and results, with an FA Cup to cover over a terrible season.

 

[Max_United]

We got outplayed probably in a good 80% of games last year, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

You are not exaggerating. We were 15th on expected points. We finished 8th largely due to our players individually being well above league average standard and able to partly compensate for the flaws of the system.

 

[romufc]

We are also 6 points of 20th

6 points take other teams 2 games to get and United 6. That is an average of 1.16 points per game. If we say average it to 38 games, I am glad to tell you.. we will beat relegation. We will get 44 points.

There is no evidence that Ten Hag will / can improve on that.

 

[VP89]

Yeah but you’re weird. No offence

As are you

 

[Born2Lose]

Rene brilliantly exposing ten Hag.

 

[CraftySoAndSo]

For anyone thinking Ratcliffe might do well here HITC Sevens just released a video on him that's pretty damning.

 

[PeteManic]

United playing terribly, red cards, conceding goals. Rashford subbed off. Villa coming off one of their biggest wins in 40 years. Well coached. Flying high.

3-0 United.

 

[Rodgerzzz]

Those two games, Brighton and Brentford were his ideology/system. We got battered so he changed it.

Then we got more players for his system (last year) and the same issues we had those first two games extrapolated over a whole year. We got outplayed probably in a good 80% of games last year, and I don't think I'm exaggerating.

This basically means, the closer we get to what he wants from us - the worse we look. The improvement in form this year is mainly due to players being more available. We have more control in games Eriksen, we pressed well when Mount played. It wasn't the system.

That's a curious point & you may well be right, he definitely changed the system to have 2 pivots following these results relying more on the counter attacking football we were used to under Ole. However crucially, I think we all as fans looked to the players from Ole's era as the problem given it was only 2 games in for ETH. It would be really interesting if someone had the time or interest to do a recap on those 2 games, to see if the warning signs really were present that early on in his tenure.

Interestingly though, he showed a desire to change system to suit in that first season after those 2 results and we scrapped to 3rd albeit with an overperformance by all the usual metrics. Why on earth he's now dying on his current tactical hill whilst leaving the defense routinely exposed after proving he's able to come up with a solution is beyond all comprehension.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Sticking with ETH for the rest of the season and ditching him in the summer will pretty much ruin the preparation for the next campaign.

We need a clear identity in our play, not this...whatever it is.
Now's the time to move him on.
This season alone can be saved.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I was browsing various online platforms during the game, and we still had some fans saying BS like 'let him cook, he is building something' when we went 2 up. Only then, for them to start saying 'nah, get rid of him when we went behind.

Some people are suckers and will never learn.

"Building something"? Christ on a bike. How can anyone be even remotely positive about what they are watching.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yeah but you’re weird. No offence

Jeez Louise!

 

[Robbie Boy]

As poor as Ten Hag is this and last season, I still have him miles ahead of Ole.

I don't think that can really be a thing anymore.

 

[SparcMac]

I am serious when I say any other manager would immediately get us playing 10x better than we have been, Big Sam, Neil Warnock... wheel Rednap out of retirement, any manager who understands the basics of football looks at the way we play and can see how horrific the coaching, formation and tactics are, and we are easy to beat because our weaknesses are easy to exploit.

Dinosaur football doesn't exist anymore In top football for a reason, modern tactics destroy it.

That's not our problem.

 

[VP89]

I don't think that can really be a thing anymore.

He was better in season 1 than Ole ever was, so for me the latter season is redundant. Both not nearly good enough but one brought 2 trophies home. That's all I want to say, don't want to get drawn out into a debate over it.

 

[Fallon d'Floor]

"Building something"? Christ on a bike. How can anyone be even remotely positive about what they are watching.

I play football a few times a week with a mixture of lads. Some are in their early/mid twenties and some in their 30's (including me). You'd have the odd chat about football in general. Some of them are United fans. And it's amazing how much support he had from younger United fans. I suppose most of them were 11-14 when we last won a league title. They can probably barely remember the 2006-2009 period of success. A League Cup probably felt like a CL to them after a 6 year barren spell.

 

[SparcMac]

That's a curious point & you may well be right, he definitely changed the system to have 2 pivots following these results relying more on the counter attacking football we were used to under Ole. However crucially, I think we all as fans looked to the players from Ole's era as the problem given it was only 2 games in for ETH. It would be really interesting if someone had the time or interest to do a recap on those 2 games, to see if the warning signs really were present that early on in his tenure.

Interestingly though, he showed a desire to change system to suit in that first season after those 2 results and we scrapped to 3rd albeit with an overperformance by all the usual metrics. Why on earth he's now dying on his current tactical hill whilst leaving the defense routinely exposed after proving he's able to come up with a solution is beyond all comprehension.

It's an interesting point. Well to be fair, Guardiola changed his 4-3-3 tiki taka also to make it work in Premier League & Klopp his heavy metal pressing etc.. it's normal to adapt, but our adaption is so confusing not many analyst could see the Original Ajax ETH tactics in our current setup anymore.

 

[RedSky]

He was better in season 1 than Ole ever was, so for me the latter season is redundant. Both not nearly good enough but one brought 2 trophies home. That's all I want to say, don't want to get drawn out into a debate over it.

This is for a different thread. But no.