Terrible terrible manager
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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I’ll say it quietly but I am beginning to believe we are never going to be a team that can hold the ball and work their way through opposition defences with Bruno as a 10.
Rotation.
Rashford "rotated "
Seriously he just has no clue.
Takes off our most dangerous player for fecking rotation, but he will play Bruno again and again and again when he has been shite. No mention of rotation then
Rashford "rotated "
Seriously he just has no clue.
Takes off our most dangerous player for fecking rotation, but he will play Bruno again and again and again when he has been shite. No mention of rotation then
Poignant. I can relate.
Mourinho was Bailly, Smalling, Lindelof too centre backs a lot of the time, nothing special. Mourinho sets the whole team up more defensively but still, it's not like Ten Hag is scoring several every game to make up for it.
Who is "You"? The club? I agree. For many years we tried changing the manager and little else. Now we've actually changed the club, with Ineos coming in.
But that won't lead us anywhere is the manager is not doing well. And yeah, sometimes the problem is the manager.
Right now I don’t care if we hire Gareth Southgate. He can’t be any worse than ETH
Well at least it won two Better Home Awards before it collapsed.
We could go through 20 managers. It doesn't matter. They've been the wrong choice.
Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job? 
ETH's philosophy of playing underperforming players every game while benching and subbing players once they start to perform is certainly... unique
Someone in the match thread joked about the team having a "don't take more than one touch before passing" instruction or clause. But I truly believe Bruno is to blame for that, he's the captain, he's one of the focal points in the team and considering how he passes the ball around like it's a ticking time bomb, more times than not, I truly believe it affects how the others play as well.
Sure. Several years ago it was Brendon Rodgers that would be the "magic" missing piece. For years we were told how we needed Poch. Before them, there have been DOZENS of "I know the perfect manager" here in the caf or from some pundit. None of them have come close to success ANYWHERE. I mentioned Emry and Ancellotti a few yeards back but doubt they would have helped. Most of them are retired or languishing in a far flung division or league. Ragnick told us EXACTLY what we needed to do to fix it and we laughed him back to Austria.
Even Moyes had supporters at the very end, my memory might be fuzzy but it was at least a quarter of the fans on here that wanted to give him more time. Most of the blame was put on the players.
Unless we get absolutely dismantled, I can't see him getting the sack. They'll use the international break as a way of taking pressure off and hope people forget
There will be books written and studies done to show just how bad of a manager this guy is. His ability to set a team up badly is almost unrivalled.
100% he fecking would. Ten Hag is really that bad. These players have proven in other environments that they can perform. They aren’t bad players.
Jose actually has a fractionally better goal scoring record and his GD is significantly better. Ultimately, ETH has been a complete disaster.
Manager | Games | Goals Scored | GF Avg PG | Goals Conceded | GA Avg PG | GD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ETH | 123 | 206 | 1.67 | 161 | 1.31 | +45 |
Ole | 162 | 293 | 1.81 | 173 | 1.07 | +120 |
Jose | 144 | 244 | 1.69 | 121 | 0.84 | +123 |
There's not a single positive stat I can find. 2 trophies I guess?
He is completely incapable of getting his message across to the players.
That’s twice he’s randomly taken a rampant Rashford out of games. It’s like he’s trying to get the sack and knows that a flying Rashford is the sole obstacle to that happening just as it was in 2022-23.
Probably so. Some of what he chose, and he'll ultimately lose his job for wasting an entire transfer window chasing De Jong and for his obsession with obtaining players he knows and thinks he can trust, has cost us dearly. He either has horrible luck or horrible judgement. I'm guessing it's the latter. Onana, Mount and Antony have been a waste of time and money, but the culture of our club, it's players, owners and board are toxic and deadly for ANY outsider who won't play THEIR game. I partially understand him going for broke trying to get players he knows and trusts but ALL of the power (and malignancy) at this club is with the owners, players and the board. We will NEVER win as long as the Glazers remain. The Glazers will NEVER leave until they start to lose money.
I’m tired of us acting like domestic cups are UCL and PL titles that just cover over everything. It’s embarrassing.
It’s lovely to win a cup. In the grand scheme of any top club it’s also a footnote if we are honest. Both are true.
But my point was just because he won 2 cups doesn’t mean he’s not the worst manager we’ve ever had all things considered.
I've been thinking this.
He has the two trophies, and of course trophies are very important, but I think in every other aspect he's been a complete disaster. Every stat or record tells you he's maybe been our worst manager yet in a lot of ways post Fergie
Probably so but so was overpaying for and pissing away hundreds of millions on players who shouldn't have remained. Several are still in the club. A few played today. A different Manager doesn't fix this. Firing yet another manager only papers over the bigger problems that go WAY higher at the club.
Will never do anything of note in football again, just like all of our post-Fergie managers. Just the latest crap appointment by us.
yesAnyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
Curious to see how LVG compares too.
Not a chance. Maybe it's the water but something at the club turns great players to shit, all time great managers to shit. Even decent to mediocre players and managers seem to diminish after they arrive. I think shit rolls downhill. Chase out out shit owners and start from there. Glazers out!!!!!
@spwd thanks bud!
The club is losing money every year. Ten Hag had cost them tens of millions in lost prize money alone.
Trophies are for egos, heh
Seriously, trophies are what it's about. Ideally Premier League and Champions League when you are in your boom times, but every club in a competitive league goes through lean times and winning the other trophies should be enjoyed as a pure victory, not downplayed. Especially when we played well in the biggest of the games..
It's completely separate from where we're at in development of a squad and team that competes over 60 games. Anyone can see that we're well off, objectively speaking
It’s just painful now! If anyone can justify keeping him after another European shit show please speak up!
Go get them. Bring your !s too.
The most likely scenario.Anyone else think we’ll get pumped on Sunday but Erik will still keep his job?
The whole fecking structure of the footballing side of the club has been replaced, as everyone was crying out for.
occam's razor - the simplest solution is usually the best. I.e. replace the shite manager
As you wish:
Manager | Games | Goals Scored | GF Avg PG | Goals Conceded | GA Avg PG | GD |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ETH | 123 | 206 | 1.67 | 161 | 1.31 | +45 |
Ole | 162 | 293 | 1.81 | 173 | 1.07 | +120 |
Jose | 144 | 244 | 1.69 | 121 | 0.84 | +123 |
LVG | 103 | 158 | 1.53 | 98 | 0.95 | +60 |
Here's the GC table again with LVG added:
Manager | Total Games | Conceded 2+ | 2+ Percentage | Conceded 3+ | 3+ Percentage |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ETH | 123 | 46 | 37.40% | 24 | 19.51% |
Ole | 162 | 47 | 29.01% | 14 | 8.64% |
Jose | 144 | 31 | 21.53% | 7 | 4.86% |
LVG | 103 | 23 | 22.33% | 8 | 7.77% |
Thanks for posting.
There are so many stats about how bad we've been under ETH it's surreal.
We're terrible and failing at pretty much everything.
We're terrible and failing at pretty much everything.
The worst part of our indecisiveness is that it keeps inviting these tricky situations where you know that you should be letting him go, but he’s just got you a result that is probably slightly too good to pull the trigger at this particular moment (even if it was largely by luck not design that he even got this result in the first place). If we somehow fluke a win at Villa they will have no choice but to keep him.
Just come off a terrible performance vs Spurs.A difficult spell in general.
We get a bit lucky with the keeper tonight making mistakes and find ourselves two up.
Just park the bus and take the result Erik.
We get a bit lucky with the keeper tonight making mistakes and find ourselves two up.
Just park the bus and take the result Erik.
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