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The Glazers are only catching up on the FA Cup win. Let's not rewrite history and suggest anything about the Glazers is proactive.Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
The Glazers are only catching up on the FA Cup win. Let's not rewrite history and suggest anything about the Glazers is proactive.Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
Which means they would have sacked him at the end of last season, just as they did with LvG. If I may remind you, EtH failed to reach top four and United finished 8th in the league.No they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.
It's a flawed comparison on so many levels. SAF had won the Scottish league and European cup winners cup with fekkin Aberdeen. Even Klopp had won titles in Germany against Bayern and gone to the CL final with Dortmund and you could see what he was trying to do with the scousers.People need to stop comparing managers, it never works. SAF should never be compared with firstly, it was a completely different time.
Which means they would have sacked him at the end of last season, just as they did with LvG. If I may remind you, EtH failed to reach top four and United finished 8th in the league.
Chelsea have been much more successful than we have been with their trigger happy approach, they’ve actually won the league and CL in the last decade.So, after having gone through 5 Managers in the last 11 years (averaging 2 seasons per manager) and not challenging for the title in that time...
your idea is to sack even more managers and become the next Chelsea?
You probably could say "they only sacked EtH because Tuchel was available" in this scenario as well. Moyes was also sacked once he couldn't reach the CL any more, Ole and Mou were sacked even earlier in a season, but while lingering outside top four.That was only because Jose was available
And the Klopp comparison is insane, he was instant success at Liverpool and only got better from there. That man was making EL final and spanking Chelsea and City away from home with a squad that was barely better than Stoke.This is an obsession with our fans. Both Ole and ETH have had the good old Klopp and Fergie comparisons.
Both Mourinho and Ole were sacked by Woodward/Glazers with top 4 still a possibility. Especially Ole who was 6 points off it.No they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.
I am hopeful they are discussing that now. I do suspect Ruud will have a short interim spell though.I'm a bit concerned about the lack of links to any new managers.
There's a lot of noise about Ten Hag's possible sacking, and this thread, which is focused on wanting him gone is a lot more active that the Next Manager thread.
Surely there needs to be a plan in place for his sacking (maybe that's what the talks with different managers was in the Summer? Building relationships for a contingency plan) and it can't just be "give it to Ruud and see what happens".
I am all for sacking Ten Hag - I have seen enough to know he ain't the guy. But I don't think just getting him out the door as soon as possible no matter what, is the answer.
It's a flawed comparison on so many levels. SAF had won the Scottish league and European cup winners cup with fekkin Aberdeen. Even Klopp had won titles in Germany against Bayern and gone to the CL final with Dortmund and you could see what he was trying to do with the scousers.
Neither of them spent £600m (or the inflation equivalent) and consistently served up the dross for 3 seasons that ETH has managed.
You probably could say "they only sacked EtH because Tuchel was available" in this scenario as well. Moyes was also sacked once he couldn't reach the CL any more, Ole and Mou were sacked even earlier in a season, but while lingering outside top four.
And the Klopp comparison is insane, he was instant success at Liverpool and only got better from there. That man was making EL final and spanking Chelsea and City away from home with a squad that was barely better than Stoke.
By ‘nuanced approach’ you mean hanging onto a manager they should have sacked months ago? Now 13th in the league.The Glazers would hire Tuchel and let him
do whatever the heck he wanted.
Ineos are attempting a more nuanced approach.
They would have sacked him after FA cup final. VG got sacked remember with a slightly better finishNo they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.
ten Hag got results and never kicked on. We've never really played good football under him. Maybe a spell here or there between The World Cup and February.Ineos are taking the time to fix contract structures and to incentivise success. Hopefully that will lead to a change in culture sooner rather than later. Until that time comes we need a pragmatic manager who prioritises the result over everything else. We don’t need to accept a nosedive in results in the name of a never ending transition. The club will never reach the top again if the manager isn’t doing everything they can to maximise the point return every season. Do that first and then the rest will follow. Somewhere in modern footy this playing model seems to have overtaken the need to get results first. I don’t want to watch dross every week but surely the starting point is to build confidence through results and then kick on from there
We've never really played good football under him. Maybe a spell here or there between The World Cup and February.
How about first half vs Palace? Are we so quick to forget that?That was literally the pinnacle of it.
How about first half vs Palace? Are we so quick to forget that?
So, after having gone through 5 Managers in the last 11 years (averaging 2 seasons per manager) and not challenging for the title in that time...
your idea is to sack even more managers and become the next Chelsea?
Keep ten Hag for 4 more years then, or however much is needed to just get him in line with what Fergie got + 2 extra years, and tell me when he's done so I can get back to following football. Just indulge the innate need of Man Utd fans to stand by their manager and give them time.Yes.
@stevoc @Robbie Boy @Sarni @Yagami as you can see, there's a good number of our fans who still just don't get it. These are the guys who need to see this through for the penny to drop.
And it was mathematic impossible at the end of the last season.No they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.
Ah, so he’s going out the Mourinho way…
He's been taking PR lessons from "Washee", best answer to a defeat is to come out waffling and keep living in a fantasy land.
Respect to the lady interviewing him that she manages to stay awake the whole time.
Yes agree with you on all points. He has had the chance to show he can progress to the next stage of the plan and has been unable to do it. The regular hidings are too much as well. If defence wins titles it’s pretty clear this manager doesn’t have the capability to lay this foundationten Hag got results and never kicked on. We've never really played good football under him. Maybe a spell here or there between The World Cup and February.
It's not like we can say we're playing good football. We're bad to watch and aren't getting results. He should have been sacked a long time ago.
Ah, so he’s going out the Mourinho way…
Let’s face it. It’s just a matter of when now.
It infuriates me so much when he moans about how much time it takes for young players to bed in.
Look at Villa tonight. Unai Emery took a team in the bottom half of the league and got them to 7th and then 4th. Now playing Bayern in the champions league and playing some of the best football in the league bar Liverpool, City & Arsenal.
He’s had his time and we gave him the majority of the players he wanted. It just hasn’t worked but was a nice bonus getting 2x cups.
He's been doing this since before we got hammered by Palace. Self preservation mode.Ah, so he’s going out the Mourinho way…
We've been saying this since the start of the season. Two more games, 10 more games, a whole season, won't make any difference to the outcome, it just depends how much time we're willing to waste.At this point you’re throwing away points and results by delaying the inevitable.
No they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.
Nah Mou called out individuals and this guy even now is never once blaming commitment or desire of the team never mind individuals, I want his era over now, but I also want the era of Rashford and many other mainstays of several managers to be over, long before the next guy trusts them once again as regular first team players! I would have called them out by now and I would before I left.
People say this about Rashford but what if he gets 30 goals next season under a new manager? Who was to blame then? I think people are just hung up on his contract more than anything.Nah Mou called out individuals and this guy even now is never once blaming commitment or desire of the team never mind individuals, I want his era over now, but I also want the era of Rashford and many other mainstays of several managers to be over, long before the next guy trusts them once again as regular first team players! I would have called them out by now and I would before I left.