thisisnottaken1
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And as stubborn as van Gaal.As egotistical as Mourinho, as awkward as Moyes and as naive as Ole.
And as stubborn as van Gaal.As egotistical as Mourinho, as awkward as Moyes and as naive as Ole.
Both are valid points of view. After all I think the position in the league and the generally still positive atmosphere justified keeping Ole in the job after the CL exit and giving him a chance to prove himself further. But as you say, in the end it came down to not winning the "second chance cup" in Europe and not being able to get the team to perform on a level that raised hopes for next season. Letting him go after the EL final would have been an absolutely understandable and probably sensible move.
Please do.Yep, I think for a lot of our supporters in general too. I never post there as it'slike a cult with the way they talk, I'll probably unsubscribe actually. I might go out in style though and make a thread pointing out how they're all idiots first.
I've got a bad feeling that he stays till the end of the season, no matter what. I don't think INEOS have any ideas of where they could go with this if they sack him now. It's something a few of us said to those who were asking for him to be allowed the start of the season, if he fails immediately then there'll be less options on the table then there were in the summer. It's just infuriating as you could see such a big issue coming a mile off with this approach, so how could these great football guys we now apparently have not see it? The only options now are the same as the summer, minus those that got a job elsewhere. Incompetency at it's finest.
There will be no protests. We are better than that, we are not a sacking club and we stand by our manager.
I know here an overwhelming majority is in favor of sacking him but looking at our sub-reddits it's nowhere near as dominant. Many are blaming players for letting another manager down, many are blaming INEOS for not bringing him the players he needed and generally letting him down with signings/coaches, it's not all black and white. I'd not be surprised if matchgoing fans are 50/50 or even tilted pro-ETH.
It was basically 80/20 to him staying last year, remember. It's only 6 league games into new season and it's not even like we are much worse than we were last year - and that season 80% seemed completely happy with.
The issue is that Ole finished second the season before. In hindsight, we should have departed at that point and moved on, given he lost to an inferior Villareal side in the EL Final and Xg had us in 4th or 5th, not second, which should have set alarm bells off.
However, given all that, it wasn't crazy to keep him on as 2nd place and a EL Final at the time, was met with positivity. But, once results went south (not for the first time in his tenure, mind) he was sacked relatively soon after - though obviously not soon enough.
ETH is like a cat with 9 lives: he would have been booted last season had it not been for the takeover. Then, INEOS clearly decided he wasn't for them and interviewed other candidates, but allegedly Tuchel turned us down. I mean, the reality is, that things have actually been on the slide since we won the LC against Newcastle. Tottenham wasn't some "turning point" - it's literally a continuation of the shite we've seen for a long time now. He should have been sacked a couple of times over by now, but yet he's still here. At least Ole and Jose got the boot relatively soon after things went to shit, but ETH seems immune to that.
For anyone who's ever watched Pitch Meetings - all I think about is ETH being asked why he hasn't been sacked yet and coming out with "actually it's super easy, barely an inconvenience". Although @Sarni has been a massive wum, I'm starting to see why he thinks ETH is immune to being sacked.
To be fair recently we have been outplayed worse than that by the likes of Newcastle, Liverpool and even Bournemouth.I was only remembering Ferguson's words after either the 2009 or 2011 Champions League final loss to Barcelona. Something to the effect of nobody has ever given Man Utd a beating like that, he was right at the time. Now it happens every other week and the manager is probably the biggest contribution to the fact. He will be gone soon, he's just not good enough despite the cup wins.
Those two cups account for just 12 of his 123 games in charge. The League Cup run was as favourable as you could get. Even avoided having to plan an Arsenal/City/Liverpool in the final.
Plenty of average/failed managers have won cups or reached finals:
Juande Ramos 07/08 - Sacked a few months later
Ronald Koeman 07/08 - Sacked weeks later
Kenny Dalglish 11/12 - Reached two cups finals and won 1 of them, yet sacked
Roberto Di Matteo 11/12 - Sacked a few months after winning The CL
Roberto Martínez 12/13 - Relegated with Wigan despite winning The FA Cup
So, after having gone through 5 Managers in the last 11 years (averaging 2 seasons per manager) and not challenging for the title in that time...I would've sacked Mourinho after Seville. And I wouldn't have even let Solskjaer see out the season he finished second and got the Europa League final - he should've gone as soon as he fecked up the CL group stages.
Him going onto lose that Europa League final was no achievement - the only reason we were in the Europa League that season was because of that disgraceful performance in the CL group stages.
I noticed a lot of them don't like this place. I imagine most of them that post on there are previously banned members of the caf.Please do.
At least 4 years. After 6 years, every manager is becoming SAF.He needs time.
This is true to be fair, but also feels like we are fast approaching a breakdown in relationship between manager and players again.
I get the players honestly. The manager has let them down and distanced him from themselves. So basically, players are accountable for everything and the manager never put himself into questions. He lost them a long time ago. The cup was just a blip as players found motivation for themselves.
I noticed a lot of them don't like this place. I imagine most of them that post on there are previously banned members of the caf.
Apparently that's crybaby nonsense.If that does happen INEOS are far worse than the Glazers ever were at running the football side of the club.
We had a completely different team before he came and now. So the logic doesn’t work.Well that is his responsibility.
We were bad at passing before him, and we are still bad at passing now. Maybe more time should be invested into passing during training.
Maybe also, it has something to do with not signing midfielders known for their passing except the one with a defective heart, and on his last legs...
Maybe also don't play a system that exposes the weak passing nature of your players...
We have to stick to the plan.
The club are in transition.
We have to be confident and stick to the plan.
We have to improve the process.
We want to win every game to get better.
We have to find solutions.
We have young players.
We have to stick to the plan and bounce back.
Every press conference. We have been in transition for 3 years now under ETH
Remember back in the good times being fecking fuming for a week when we lost? Now I just have pure apathy.
Yes agree, even if he wins he should still goI think he has a go to line regardless of the question after these losses.
Its the same shit in every presser like mate.. give your head a wobble.
How can a manager who says good isn't good enough, be so poor at self reflection.
I don't ave a strong antipathy against Utd, I really don't, I prefer you guys to any other Big 6 team except us.
My view on this comes with the obvious small caveat that I do prefer you end up behind us in the table. For that reason alone I've been in the EtH 'in' camp.
Changed my vote to 'sack' now, but I am still kind of hoping you don't yet as I'd like to build up a cushion first.
Yes agree, even if he wins he should still go
This is true to be fair, but also feels like we are fast approaching a breakdown in relationship between manager and players again.
This is true to be fair, but also feels like we are fast approaching a breakdown in relationship between manager and players again.
SAF was 44 when he took over at United. And had a good CV at an unfashionable club like Aberdeen, where he managed from the age of 36-44.At least 4 years. After 6 years, every manager is becoming SAF.
Do not forget Sir Alex comparison too. People should be slapped for this kind of idiocy.So much for the Klopp and Arteta comparisons
As much as there is blame for the Glazer takeover, I think often the departures of Edwards and Gill are ignored when considering the impact changes have had, even during SAFs tenure the club suffered, especially from the loss of Gill.I remember Phillipe Auclair describing how SAF and Wenger worked. It's not that the club was terribly run per se, it was very well run but the Football side was run by SAF and it was the correct approach. The issue is that the moment SAF left, the club needed to completely change the way it operated and it's something that needed to be anticipated but Gill didn't, he pushed for a SAF-lite in Moyes which was almost guaranteed to fail because the model that United followed is rarely successful and rarely applied since there isn't many SAFs and Wengers.
So much for the Klopp and Arteta comparisons
Do not forget Sir Alex comparison too. People should be slapped for this kind of idiocy.
The whole system is failed when 1 mis place pass = a clear chance for opponents. How often have we been transitioned on after bad pass / touch this season.
The manager needs to account for that, not every pass will be successful. It seems we are the only team that gets punished for mistakes, its mainly because the manager sets the team up to fail.
I mean defensively, our pressing is rubbish, any half decent team can play through it. Our rest defence is rubbish, our low mid block is rubbish, our low block isn't even a block.
So out of possession we are poor how are we on the ball? even worse.
People say we dont have a pattern of play but we do, I dont agree with the notion we dont have a style.
Onana passes it to the CB who either pass it to full back and we go back to Onana and he launches it and we lose the ball. or we keep passing it around the back until we get pressed and we just kick the ball long.
That is the pattern of play, pass pass pass pass kick.. press and repeat.
The Glazers would hire Tuchel and let himHe's so obviously deluded and just full of excuses. How on earth our owners can keep faith with this charlatan is beyond me.
Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
No they wouldnt, they waited until top 4 was not mathemathic possible before sacking a manager.He's so obviously deluded and just full of excuses. How on earth our owners can keep faith with this charlatan is beyond me.
Genuinely, Glazers would have acted by now.
This should really stop.Maybe also, it has something to do with not signing midfielders known for their passing except the one with a defective heart, and on his last legs...
As much as there is blame for the Glazer takeover, I think often the departures of Edwards and Gill are ignored when considering the impact changes have had, even during SAFs tenure the club suffered, especially from the loss of Gill.