Well I'm surely gonna listen if you call my post "arsewater excucism" aint I?This is such arsewater excusism, ETH has been integral to the recruitment process, and the players we have are and had last season are better than he has set them up to be, not saying we have the players to challenge Man City, but the tactical errors that ETH has made and persisted with are beyond inept and have been what has hurt us, ignoring that is incredible....
There are a dozen teams in the prem that have worse squads than us, and did last season, and yet we were comfortably the worst footballing side in the league last season, and lets be honest here so far this season there is little change, other coaches seem to be able to get lesser players playing together in a way that maximises what they have, not ETH he makes us the easiest team to play against in any top league.
but yeah carry on blame everyone but Ten Hag, madness beyond madness
They didnt. It was from before the game. It was more of routine answer.
They have to, eventhough many fans dont want to accept it. He will get 3 months at least imoLatest news is that he has the board's backing. Berrada and Ashworth back him according to an interview with Simon Stone.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ckg2pm22lz1o
Well yes, it kind of is. Teams that have a high positive goal difference generally play well and score lots of goals. It’s a good indicator of how well a team is playing.Not exactly our most pressing concern at the moment, is it? Rather our expected points having us in 15th
If your #6 losing the ball means its instantly a 4v2 all the time, then you need to have technically secure 6s, not a player who has historically had a 80% passing rate, which means he will misplace one pass out of every 5. Casemiro had a mare, no doubting that, but the problems go deeper.Truth be told is he put in a straight up unproffesional performance. Its easy to say "the team didn't help him" or "the coach didnt play a set up that suits him" if one actually doesn't critically look at what mistakes he made and why. He was just sloppy. Not slow or caught out by brilliant pressing. Just utterly sloppy in decisions a player of his experience would NEVER make when being serious. That is why being substituted at half time for a rookie in Collyer was ideal public chastisement. He won't be in a hurry to be that sloppy again.
Ah that makes sense, I would have been surprised if that was you. I agree with that.That wasn't me, I don't know who made that poll. I don't think it serves much purpose either: even if 100% of posters agreed that Ten hag should be sacked, there is no way Ten Hag will be sacked just after he was kept on and given half a new first XI. Club management will want to see more of how Ten Hag uses those players once they're fully bedded in before deciding either way.
I mean, people can have whatever opinion they want, of course; but I think it's unrealistic to expect a sacking before November. (Well, except if everything really goes only downhill from here on out.)
Whoever made that poll clearly wanted to stir some more toxicity.Ah that makes sense, I would have been surprised if that was you. I agree with that.
The board decided to keep him and they are not going to sack him after a few games. It would be ridiculous leadership.
I have to believe that INEOS claim that they are calling the shots on transfers is true.They would be insane to let ETH do it alone as he's obviously not able to. From what I heard he did not want Ugarte and had to be convinced. He still has a transfer veto in his contract from what I hear.
De Ligt was an INEOS signing.That's because he wouldn't agree to signing a new contract and the club just extended his current deal instead. He still has all the powers that he had before Ineos arrived and while he does he is the one driving trasnfers not Ineos. You said it yourself of the 5 players we signed with one he didn't identify, they had to put a lot of effort into convincing him not to veto the deal. Where as with the 3 Dutch born and raised players, they were obviously identified by Ten Hag. So currently he's still the one driving recruitment.
You could also make the argument that the managers have overachieved despite the level of performance put out by the team? I think ETH needs to leave but just playing devils advocate
De Ligt was an INEOS signing.
Zirkzee I assume you're only saying because he's Dutch. He was a 2nd choice behind Sesko and fits the bill for Ashworth and Wilcox typical signing. Lower fee higher potential for a young striker.
I meant mediocre players. The "All the shit...." was an expression.
ETH has bought:
- 150m+ of defenders
- 150m+ CM's and AM's
- 100m+ strikers
- 80m+ wingers
With the resources already there, you'd think that kind of spend would form the basis of a team that is ready to challenge for bigger prizes. Do you think we are though?
Potentially, with regard the system, but it's hard to say because the likes of Martinez, Yoro and Mainoo all picked up long term. impact injuries - so could also just be bad luck.I think that and the lack of rotation are majorly responsible for our injury issues too.
These sort of posts really annoy me.They may have been players that fit the profile Inoes say they will be looking for but they were obviously identified by Ten Hag. Or do you think it's completely coincidental that Ineos independently identified 3 Dutch born and raised players, with 2 of them being former Ten Hag Ajax players?
Come on mate.
I remember when we were kids and we started playing competitive 5-a-side football - it didn't take six thirteen year old lads more than two or three games to work out that if you tried to play end-to-end attacking football, you'd almost always lose to the team that sat back in formation and picked you off.
EtH still hasn't figured this out three seasons in...that's the most frightening thing...the system he's trying (and failing) to implement won't work even when it's perfect. So we're striving for something that's flawed.
And you can bet, like clockwork, what is next.Because journalists are wanting to wind us up.
It's the simplest truth in football though. Sitting back and being solid is boring but incredibly effective - look at Southgate. Couldn't coach a U12s team but managed to get England to two finals by playing negative, dull, low-risk boring football.We've found Sean Dyche's Caf account
You can't get consistent results over a 38 game season with that style. Sitting back on teams doesn't work unless you have ruthless attackers, but I agree with your general sentiment that a solid foundation is necessary for consistency.It's the simplest truth in football though. Sitting back and being solid is boring but incredibly effective - look at Southgate. Couldn't coach a U12s team but managed to get England to two finals by playing negative, dull, low-risk boring football.
The problem is, it's quite hard to win league titles this way because you need to score 95pts+...and you'll draw too many games if you're too cautious.
You have to find a balance though. What EtH is trying to implement is suicidal.
Well that's exactly what I say though. You won't win a title playing that way but this squad would almost certainly finish top four if we sat in and played safe.You can't get consistent results over a 38 game season with that style. Sitting back on teams doesn't work unless you have ruthless attackers, but I agree with your general sentiment that a solid foundation is necessary for consistency.
I don't think you get top 4 that way. Our attack is not nearly good enough to take whatever few chances come in that style. Theyl need to be fed a lot more with room for their own error.Well that's exactly what I say though. You won't win a title playing that way but this squad would almost certainly finish top four if we sat in and played safe.
What we're doing at the moment won't get us top four and is taking us in completely the wrong direction.
These comments were made before the Liverpool game, but they also can't say anything else.Latest news is that he has the board's backing. Berrada and Ashworth back him according to an interview with Simon Stone.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ckg2pm22lz1o
We did it in 22/23, but it did require Rashford to play out of his mind. We likely won't get that Rashford back.I don't think you get top 4 that way. Our attack is not nearly good enough to take whatever few chances come in that style. Theyl need to be fed a lot more with room for their own error.
These sort of posts really annoy me.
Crticisie Ten Hag's style of play, criticise his daft comments after matches and I totally understand. But burying your head in the stand when it's reported INEOS identified De Ligt and Ten Hag confirms the same just because your evidence is "mate he's from Ajax" is just frustrating to debate with.
As for Zirkzee, there's hardly any interaction between the two. Zirkzee has spent most his career at Bayern or Bologna (with a loan in between I think in Belgium). He's a 34m striker at 23 years of age fitting the Wilcox and Ashworth model and he wasn't even first choice. Sesko was.
But yeah sure let's bucket him in the same because you know, dutch born.
I'm not talking about some kind of extreme 10-man block with counter attack, I'm talking about some kind of "normal" 4-2-3-1 with a middle block, similar to OGS.I don't think you get top 4 that way. Our attack is not nearly good enough to take whatever few chances come in that style. Theyl need to be fed a lot more with room for their own error.
It's the simplest truth in football though. Sitting back and being solid is boring but incredibly effective - look at Southgate. Couldn't coach a U12s team but managed to get England to two finals by playing negative, dull, low-risk boring football.
The problem is, it's quite hard to win league titles this way because you need to score 95pts+...and you'll draw too many games if you're too cautious.
You have to find a balance though. What EtH is trying to implement is suicidal.
We had a better goal difference under Moyes than when ETH finished thirdWell yes, it kind of is. Teams that have a high positive goal difference generally play well and score lots of goals. It’s a good indicator of how well a team is playing.
You sack the new manager if things stay the same. Same as every other club. I don't get what's crazy about that. It's the standard practically everyone employs. It doesn't permanently make United worse if that is done. I don't get the hesitancy to doing that.The whole point with the post is to play devil's advocate if you are to sack a manager - because what if things will stay the same under a new manager?
Ole bewteen January 2020 to when he was sacked had the better squad. Defense was worse but he had better midfield and more importantly forwards who can actually score. Ten Hag is the one most to blame for the state of the squad currently because of his signings.I'm not talking about some kind of extreme 10-man block with counter attack, I'm talking about some kind of "normal" 4-2-3-1 with a middle block, similar to OGS.
We have a better squad now than we did under Ole, in my opinion.
Getting top four really isn't that hard. There's 114 points up for grabs and you need about 70 points. Technically you can drop points in 22 games and STILL make top four!
Being hard to beat should be priority number one, scoring tonnes of goals, playing dominant attacking football and beating the elite sides should be the long term objective, once you've achieved that.
He will need to win every game from now till Xmas to save his job.
Can it be done?
Ineos will be blanch about making the wrong call, being lumbered with another misfiring manager and therefore keeping the club in flux. This is exacerbated with PSR concerns. We cannot afford to chop and change willy-nilly.@pocco is bang on. He is the one manager post-SAF who will end up doing the most damage to the club, which is already underway.
INEOS need to pull the pin asap, nobody will care that they made the wrong call at the end of the season if they make this right soon.
He will struggle to get another PL job after this mess. People crucified me and others who claimed the same about Solksjaer, saying that United on the CV is enough to secure a job in the league, but no one likes naive managers who make their teams very beatable - no mid table and no relegation fodder can afford such risk. Add to that how unlikeable he comes across and plain disrespectful/classless he is in his interviews and I really think it’s Go Ahead Eagles for him next. At best.
I'm not actually entire sure about that but this should not even be up for a debate, we've spent half a billion since he left and largely on players that ETH handpicked himself.I'm not talking about some kind of extreme 10-man block with counter attack, I'm talking about some kind of "normal" 4-2-3-1 with a middle block, similar to OGS.
We have a better squad now than we did under Ole, in my opinion.
Getting top four really isn't that hard. There's 114 points up for grabs and you need about 70 points. Technically you can drop points in 22 games and STILL make top four!
Being hard to beat should be priority number one, scoring tonnes of goals, playing dominant attacking football and beating the elite sides should be the long term objective, once you've achieved that.
Think there's a lot of steps before that. We are 3 games in and Im generally quiet because I want to see more games before I decide how this tweaked style and new players go.
