100% but what’s more important is the pressure on them if the results are really terrible and the season will be hard to salvage - we are on two loses in three games, say we win against Southampton but lose against Palace away and then to Spurs at home, is this enough to kick him immediately, rather than just wait before a proper candidate is found?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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They were briefing before the Cup that he was a goner but bottled it after we won the final. So I would hope it's being taken into account.
He’s not going anywhere until Christmas
I think these are the type of people to act sooner rather than later. I still believe RVN was brought in as coach incase the worse happened and they sacked ETH. That’s planning ahead.
He’ll be gone at the end of September if we don’t beat Southampton, palace and spurs.
Does this help?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5278752/2024/04/02/jason-wilcox-manchester-united/
And this is what the club said in their statement :
I think all the behind the scenes staff changes related to the football department will have his saying on it. And whether ETH is doing his job upto the mark is for Ashworth and Berrada to decide I think.
Sorry but that's laughable. Potter posted a variety of different ways and set up differently to de Zerbi. So you believe they just got worse when they forgot Potter's training? They picked up de Zerbis play pretty instantly, but just not the defensive bit?
If you watched Brighton you'd know the defensive injuries they had throughout their team. I think Estupinan still isn't back playing yet, Lamptey was missing most of the season, they had CBs in midfield, CBs out injured, their entire front three missing... you don't even think it's possible that they just struggled without most of their first choice players? They don't have the depth we do, and even our depth was apparently the reason for our poor season
I’d hope so and I also believe it’s the case - INEOS is rational in their decisions in business and sports, and that would be a rational thing. It also only makes sense for RVN to take a step down from being a manager to just a coach if he was promised the interim role when ETH inevitably fails. It all clicks in my head, but I’ve been surprised (to say the least) a lot by the decisions of United management over the last decade, so I try not to get ahead of myself
I don'y think they have 'backed' him. Quite the opposite. They're letting him fall on his sword.
It’s gotten to the point where I look forward to watching some individuals (new signings, Amad, Mainoo etc ) more than the broader team just because I know the team performance won’t be very exciting, and at worst will just embarrass ourselves again like on Sunday.
I’m not even mad anymore (except at our stupid fecking supporters that wrote fecking petitions to the club after a single cup final to keep this fraud), but I’m more just tired of year over year watching Liverpool pump us while Bruno hammers passes into their shins, we give the ball away endlessly and concede shockingly easy goals, and Rashford and the forward line is as inefficient as ever with their final third end product and creativity.
It’s no longer infuriating for me, just exhausting.
I agree with this totally and pointed it out yesterday. Casemiro is done and should be shipped off but there were structural issues. Two things can be true.
So the new hierarchy are coincidentally identifying Dutch/Ex-Ajax players then?
No chance.
Next PL fixtures in September/October
Soton (A)
Palace (A)
Spurs (H)
Villa (A)
Brentford (H)
West Ham (A)
I'd be gobsmacked if he hasn't been sacked by West Ham.
There are a few teams in there that could easily embarrass us.
I would agree but the system needs to be bit more conservative. Its not just Mainoo position, both Fullbacks were almost in Liverpool half when Casemiro misplaced the pass for the first goal. I can understand one side attack but not both. Thats why there was no one to challenge Diaz for header. Casemiro did feck up but you are allowed one or two misplace passes like that. Getting countered after misplacing the pass from that position shows that entire setup was way too aggressive
In 3rd goal, Mainoo and Dalot were surrounded by atleast 4 Liverpool player. But Collyer and Mazraoui were so far ahead on left side that Salah had a free run. Mind you it wasn’t the counter, it was simple ball win for the 3rd goal. But if you tune in after Mainoo lost the ball, you would think attack happened after an attempt on Liverpool goal.
I am not on bandwagon to get Erik sacked but if he does not alter this and bring his ego in between ( his responses after being questioned in media was disappointing ), then i dont see any other future than him getting sacked by December
Standards in the mud
Ugarte not quite in, McT Amrabat out too quick was the problem on Sunday.
I am beyond caring for the games, especially big games, we've become a game where oppo players toy with us, especially the current lot, they seem spineless and breakdown at the first adversity, and most of our wins feels like oppo teams having bad days against us.
Sorry mate, there's only so many humiliations against Liverpool I can take...
The 2 full seasons we had under Ole = +59 GD
The 2 full seasons we had under Mou = +65 GD
The 2 full seasons we had under LVG = +39 GD
Total GD in our 3rd season after 2 full seasons under ETH = +11 GD.
That's all I am going to say
The 2 full seasons we had under Mou = +65 GD
The 2 full seasons we had under LVG = +39 GD
Total GD in our 3rd season after 2 full seasons under ETH = +11 GD.
That's all I am going to say
Losing to Liverpool at home wasnt expected at all when they failed to beat us in 3 attempts last season and had no new players in their squad
Jaysus, look how wide open the midfield is again. Same old Ten Hag suicidal tactics.
I wish people stopped caring about GD all that much. It means very little and wouldn't be an issue at all if we got the points. I'd rather lose 7-0 once than 1-0 three times
Yeah, in that instance pragmatism won and our players are far more comfortable with that style of counter attack (Bruno and Rashford as we know, can play that style very well). He did say last season that he wanted us to move away from that style but he's clearly not good at implementing this change, even with the money spent.
As someone else said, he wanted to go toe to toe with Liverpool and got slaughtered. The plan isn't working, and the risks taken are bringing no rewards.
Slot didn't need to have transfers etc. to impose his style of football in Liverpool. Screw our player transfer decision making, Eric Ten Fraud has had 3 years with the team and there's still no style of play. Cut the losses, Sack him.
SMH! Anything we haven’t done in history (in a bad way) I’m sure he will find a way to do it the longer he stays here.
Well the points total last season was also shite.
I get your point but I also watch this sport for some pleasure and excitement. And it’s not like the results are any good bar the second grade cups
I'm sorry you dont understand the concept of trophies. I'm sorry for you.
We cant score goals, we cant defend and the midfield ran off every United fan with trypophobia. And now we dont have a superman keeper to drag us out the shit when the little organisation we do have goes to pot.
Other than that, I feel the project is working just fine.
Other than that, I feel the project is working just fine.
Of course, the performances and results being shit is the much bigger problem, that's what I was trying to get at. His points total is terrible as well
Who was the journo?
Maybe the plan is let ETH stink up the place so much that even Southgate comes across as a good idea.
A system is there to minimize effects of individual errors. If every bad pass can lead to a goal then the system is flowed. Yesterday, it was at least 2 times Liverpool had two more players near our box after a passing error. You can’t expect players to not make mistakes over 90 minutes.
The system ETH plays is shit. Every game a player make a mistake and we are screwed. I don’t see how you can’t see that.
What I think is most damming about Ten Hag is that our problems are basic and easily fixable and he's not addressed them. Even Ole did something different when it stopped working.
Easy engagement farming for Sky
Exactly. Most of us have played football as kids or even still do and when coached we are told how can you help your team mate on the ball.... look at where Bruno and collyer are when Manoo receives that ball. 20 yards away from him.
Manoo dwells on ball as no options for a pass and is under pressure from 3 Liverpool players and ball nicked off him and goal from Liverpool seconds later.
Ten Hag must do the opposite and tells his midfielders to stay away from the man on the ball as far as possible when building up possession.
Look at you all wanting him gone after you idiotically changed your minds about him for winning against City in a one off.
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