Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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What annoys me most is he bought a bunch of players who played in lower league at ridiculous price. Let's be frank, Hojlund, Antony, Onana, Malacia are not at EPL level. Even Martinez who played better but could not handle the physical aspect of EPL. Given time surely they can grow into the job but until the club will suffer and this is not what we paid for.

When Chelsea paid for Palmer, Arsenal paid for Rice, Spur for Maddison, these all came at expensive price too but they are a lot more justified then the cost we paid for these bunch coming from lower league.
 
FootballAI said:
What annoys me most is he bought a bunch of players who played in lower league at ridiculous price. Let's be frank, Hojlund, Antony, Onana, Malacia are not at EPL level. Even Martinez who played better but could not handle the physical aspect of EPL. Given time surely they can grow into the job but until the club will suffer and this is not what we paid for.

When Chelsea paid for Palmer, Arsenal paid for Rice, Spur for Maddison, these all came at expensive price too but they are a lot more justified then the cost we paid for these bunch coming from lower league.
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Well this is a load of bollocks. Many players have come from so-called weaker leagues and smashed it in the prem.
 
Irwin99 said:
Ole began 5 seasons ago now, and that's a fair old time to assess if a player is good enough for a club like United. The majority of our defeats this season have involved 5 or more players that have been here since then or before. I'm not saying they're toxic and i'm certainly not 'EtH in' but i've seen this cycle happen again and again where players who aren't good enough seem to survive with new managers. I do think if we get someone like Potter or Southgate there is a fear that certain players will get another go of it- Maguire, Lindelof, AwB, Rashford, Bruno (great today but can he be part of a title winning team?) McTominay, Shaw ( first choice left back-never fit). Even Dalot who has shown a lot of progress these past two years is part of that group.

Of the players listed, so many of them aren't the right quality for team that can realistically challenge for the league.

At least Martial- our only squad striker- is leaving at the end of the season.
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I would give more merit to your argument if we didn't look just as shit with almost all of those players on the bench. We have looked inept the majority of the time regardless of who starts/plays from the first game of the season. We had our best lineup fit for our first few games and got absolutely played off the pitch against might Wolves at Old Trafford because of the style of football we are attempting to play. Is it really likely that every senior defender we have is useless, that our entire midfield just ignores our manager's instructions and decides to press high up the field leaving gaps in behind? Or is it possible that this is just what they are being instructed to do by the manager? Whatever his genius plan is that seems to go against basic footballing concepts, it is obviously not working. I genuinely dong think you could have any 11 in world football looking consistently competent playing the way we currently do.
 
miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
Great game! The Athletic guys will be thrilled because we controlled the game with 57%!! O yes you read that right.

We are still on target for a 68 point finish. Our next big game is in 4 weeks time. We don't play PL for another 10 days. Then we have a lot of home games, to school Howe and his magic band for once and for all. I'm looking forward to that. Strange that Garnacho didn't perform. Casemiro is very bad. This game could have ended very badly but we scored 2 and again showed spirit. Ifirmly believe in ETH. I liked Dialo btw. Rashford and Bruno for once not entirely low but good? No.
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You’re 100% an opposition WUM. Reported.
 
In Rainbows said:
The thing is, I don't have sympathy for someone about player profile when he doesn't even play those player profiles that he has at his disposal. Either he doesn't know how to recognize the right profiles (not in transfers, but in team selection) or he purposely ignores them. Either way, it makes him out to be incompetent.
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Exactly. You don't get the benefit of the doubt for not having the right players when you don't even attempt to play in that style in the first place. If we were trying to control games and had some careless giveaways and defensive mistakes leading to us losing or drawing games but there was an actual organizational structure in possession and an actual attacking threat from anywhere, then he would have a fair defense and fans would give him much more time. The reality is that he isn't not even trying to get us there so why stick through it when we know there is no reward at the end of it.
 
Albert Einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over & over, and expecting different results"

It is so insane that he can keep trying the same thing that obviously does work and never for some, some 40+ games.
Itis even more insane that the board sees nothing wrong with it
 
hobbers said:
If we care about Europa have to sack him now then.

New manager/interim manager bounce is the only way we're getting any wins from Palace, Brighton, Arsenal and Newcastle.

But we've already pissed away the easiest CL qualification in the league's history by keeping him in January so might as well feck it all off now. Fans and owners cant get enough of writing off our seasons.
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Who should be brought in as interim?
 
croadyman said:
He has lasted because of the fact INEOS won't have at least Berrada & Wilcox in place until summer
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I don't get why we cannot sack a manager that is obviously incompetent before a new CEO is in place.
Just sack him and appoint Jose/Ole til the end of the season, and we find a new manager
 
JeffFromHK said:
Albert Einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing, over & over, and expecting different results"

It is so insane that he can keep trying the same thing that obviously does work and never for some, some 40+ games.
Itis even more insane that the board sees nothing wrong with it
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But Arteta finished 8th once or twice and look where are they now.
Liverpool under Klopp finished 8th in his first season, I think.

It seems finishing 8th is the key to future success. Eric is trying is hardest to get us to 8th this season. Yeah, none of them had spent 400m before finishing 8th and had a worse team when they joined their respective clubs, but that doesn't matter. The road to the top goes through the 8th spot.
 
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But Arteta finished 8th once or twice and look where are they now.
Liverpool under Klopp finished 8th in his first season, I think.

It seems finishing 8th is the key to future success. Eric is trying is hardest to get us to 8th this season. Yeah, none of them had spent 400m finishing 8th and had a worse team when they joined their respective clubs, but that doesn't matter. The road to the top goes through the 8th spot.
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It seems finishing 8th in the first season is the key to future success, so ETF won't be our chosen one!
 
JeffFromHK said:
I don't get why we cannot sack a manager that is obviously incompetent before a new CEO is in place.
Just sack him and appoint Jose/Ole til the end of the season, and we find a new manager
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Completely agree but it just looks that way
 
Insanity said:
But Arteta finished 8th once or twice and look where are they now.
Liverpool under Klopp finished 8th in his first season, I think.

It seems finishing 8th is the key to future success. Eric is trying is hardest to get us to 8th this season. Yeah, none of them had spent 400m before finishing 8th and had a worse team when they joined their respective clubs, but that doesn't matter. The road to the top goes through the 8th spot.
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Arteta is in his first managerial job, i honestly hate people comparing ETH to him, arteta is learning on the job, ETH has had previous jobs to learn his lessons off of.
 
christy87 said:
Arteta is in his first managerial job, i honestly hate people comparing ETH to him, arteta is learning on the job, ETH has had previous jobs to learn his lessons off of.
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What about Klopp? Liverpool wasn't his first managerial job and yet he finished 8th. Yes, he hadn't spent the entire budget of a small country before that; however ETH has his midget CB out and took Ajax to the CL semi-final once. Those things point to the unprecedented hardships he has had to face here. Also, ETH doesn't need to learn, he is a Dutch football genius who is here to teach everyone about football. Once he teaches these players and spends another billion on new recruits, his teaching will automatically shine through.
 
Judas said:
They simply can't be. Because the level we're seeing is unbelievably low.
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They got to finals and finished 3rd last season. All the stats show they’re underperforming at their worst levels in their careers. That can’t be all of them individually deciding to do that.
 
IRELANDUNITED said:
Have to agree with this. The worry is every single manager post Sir Alex has suffered the same faith and there is no indication that it won’t continue with whoever is managing us next season.
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If they're shit then they need to be sacked ASAP not like the fecking about we've done with every manager since Sir Alex. Every other team apart from maybe the scum go through manager after manager. It's not a bad thing, it just means they weren't up to it.
I was hoping since Sir Jim came in that would have changed but the pillock is still here.
 
Insanity said:
What about Klopp? Liverpool wasn't his first managerial job and yet he finished 8th. Yes, he hadn't spent the entire budget of a small country before that; however ETH has his midget CB out and took Ajax to the CL semi-final once. Those things point to the unprecedented hardships he has had to face here. Also, ETH doesn't need to learn, he is a Dutch football genius who is here to teach everyone about football. Once he teaches these players and spends another billion on new recruits, his teaching will automatically shine through.
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:lol: :lol:
 
Why would he take Garnacho off to play in Amad?

He should have taken off Hojlund or Rashford and move Garnacho to the left with Hojlund or Rashford playing centrally.

Such a stupid manager.
 
I've always been ETH in since we've had some terrible luck with injuries. The performances right now have been terrible and it's hard to still keep that opinion, but I'm still in the position that we should keep him for another season.

We've been going through this managerial merry-go-round for a decade and it hasn't gotten us any stability. Would like us to stay with a manager that has shown previously he can play with a clear plan and look forward. The recruitment definitely has to improve alongside though otherwise no manager will be successful here.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I've always been ETH in since we've had some terrible luck with injuries. The performances right now have been terrible and it's hard to still keep that opinion, but I'm still in the position that we should keep him for another season.

We've been going through this managerial merry-go-round for a decade and it hasn't gotten us any stability. Would like us to stay with a manager that has shown previously he can play with a clear plan and look forward. The recruitment definitely has to improve alongside though otherwise no manager will be successful here.
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Whether we sack him now or next season doesn’t matter, but he’s going to get sacked in the next 6 months because he just isn’t good enough.

And when would you rather appoint a new manager? In the summer so he can have a preseason or bang in the middle of a season? When do you think there’s a better pool of available managers to choose from?

You can use terms like ‘managerial merry go round’ but the fact of the matter is, every club sacks managers who don’t perform within their role and we’re no different. Giving shit managers more time than they deserve is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in now.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
You’re 100% an opposition WUM. Reported.
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I thought it was a great game and stand by everything ive said. Much better control and individual error that gave Bournemouth their first goal. I never felt we would lose it.

Glowing said:
Fernandez spotted clashing with Erik ten Hag during 2-2 draw, he was not happy.
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INEOS better get Ten Hag some backup to get control over this group of players. Garnacho liking tweets criticising him..could have been him instead of Pellestri on loan too, you know.
 
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NewGlory said:
Yes you have :) Which is fair, because at some point manager needs to take responsibility, but whatever we think about Erik, this bunch of players are the worst and many of them have been trash under multiple managers so they are first to get the blame. There is a reason we rarely are able to sell our players for any reasonable money, if at all. Nobody wants them because they are pretty much hugely overpaid garbage




Of for feck's sake. Be mad at Ten Hag all you want, but how can you defend this bunch of miserable players (most of them, at least)
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Which miserable players? Name them.
 
I think this is by far the worst season post SAF. I'm not talking about points, goals, it's the performance.

I'm surprised whenever we don't concede at least 20 shots per game.

I don't know how he can fix it, tactically we are so bad it's hilarious.
 
Whilst Erik has caused a lot of this, even with his injury issues, there is a fundamental issue with all of the players. It’s such a big job to change this around I can’t see us being consistently good for years yet. The team culture seems to be weak minded. There are no leaders in that camp. Bruno is not a captain, he’s just our most creative midfield player. This isn’t Bruno hate, he’s just not what a captain should be.

I hate watching us play. It’s painful to see us being overrun by every single team in every single phase. We’re slow thinking, heavy footed and dim witted with our decision making. Yesterday’s playing out from the back was suicidal. We could all see it yet the players just carry on! Whilst Erik can’t force players to think quicker or to pick up on danger, a real captain would dictate change on the field when the original game plan falls apart. We need to start with an actual captain, then I think we need to release a lot of players. Too many here for too long used to failing and used to no consequence.

Erik may survive unless Ineos hijack liverpools ideal manager, but even if he doesn’t, nothing will change until that group of players change.
 
It's getting to the point where the manager says really desperate stuff, walks out of press conferences, etc. Did it also look like he was having a little argument with Steve McClaren during the game yesterday?

Seems like he is losing his cool a little bit. That can be toxic to the atmosphere and confidence of the team.
 
crossy1686 said:
Whether we sack him now or next season doesn’t matter, but he’s going to get sacked in the next 6 months because he just isn’t good enough.

And when would you rather appoint a new manager? In the summer so he can have a preseason or bang in the middle of a season? When do you think there’s a better pool of available managers to choose from?

You can use terms like ‘managerial merry go round’ but the fact of the matter is, every club sacks managers who don’t perform within their role and we’re no different. Giving shit managers more time than they deserve is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in now.
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I would still give him a full season and like you said bring in a new manager if necessary by the end of next season.

Many club sacks managers that don't perform but then every decision isn't a right one. Bayern sacked Nagelsmann for slightly underperforming and have gotten progressively worse under Tuchel, same with Chelsea since sacking Tuchel. Let's not forget ETH had a successful first season and won a trophy, so considering both seasons it's been a neutral performance, with this season being terribly effected by injuries.

Even right now we're without our two left backs and 3 first choice defenders. While it didn't seem as big a miss at that time, though I'm sure people who follow you football and our pre season closely were saying it then, we were without Mainoo for large parts of the first half as well.

Things have been worse for other teams but they stuck by their managers and understood there is a larger rebuild required at the club with a clear vision for the future.

What frustrates me most about ETH, and something the board need to get into his head, was how he completely dismissed Ralf when he was there to consult on a rebuild. Instead it seems ETH has gone on his own to bring in his own players, that can't happen from now. There needs to be greater input from the DOF and scouts before signing players while looking at a bigger picture.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I would still give him a full season and like you said bring in a new manager if necessary by the end of next season.

Many club sacks managers that don't perform but then every decision isn't a right one. Bayern sacked Nagelsmann for slightly underperforming and have gotten progressively worse under Tuchel, same with Chelsea since sacking Tuchel. Let's not forget ETH had a successful first season and won a trophy, so considering both seasons it's been a neutral performance, with this season being terribly effected by injuries.

Even right now we're without our two left backs and 3 first choice defenders. While it didn't seem as big a miss at that time, though I'm sure people who follow you football and our pre season closely were saying it then, we were without Mainoo for large parts of the first half as well.

Things have been worse for other teams but they stuck by their managers and understood there is a larger rebuild required at the club with a clear vision for the future.
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In an ideal world that would be the way to go but this summer is so unique it feels like half the ‘top’ clubs are looking for managers. If we leave it too late we could miss out on most of the top candidates

I think we need to act now and have Ineos sell this new project to the potential next manager before they’re snapped up.
 
I think the next manager needs to look at the players abilities and form rather than the name. Rashford Casemiro and Bruno should have been dropped loads of times this season and subbed when started. It’s like TH is frightened? Reluctant? Doesn’t know how to improve it? Either one is scary
 
The Mitcher said:
People just can't get their heads around the fact that managers like SAF and Busby are the exceptions, not the rule.
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Arteta is the one they often point to. But even in those first couple of years at Arse they weren't as bad as this in terms of goals scored vs goals conceded. Erik just doesn't have enough about him.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
I would still give him a full season and like you said bring in a new manager if necessary by the end of next season.

Many club sacks managers that don't perform but then every decision isn't a right one. Bayern sacked Nagelsmann for slightly underperforming and have gotten progressively worse under Tuchel, same with Chelsea since sacking Tuchel. Let's not forget ETH had a successful first season and won a trophy, so considering both seasons it's been a neutral performance, with this season being terribly effected by injuries.

Even right now we're without our two left backs and 3 first choice defenders. While it didn't seem as big a miss at that time, though I'm sure people who follow you football and our pre season closely were saying it then, we were without Mainoo for large parts of the first half as well.

Things have been worse for other teams but they stuck by their managers and understood there is a larger rebuild required at the club with a clear vision for the future.

What frustrates me most about ETH, and something the board need to get into his head, was how he completely dismissed Ralf when he was there to consult on a rebuild. Instead it seems ETH has gone on his own to bring in his own players, that can't happen from now. There needs to be greater input from the DOF and scouts before signing players while looking at a bigger picture.
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Why must we stick with Ten Hag? What do we owe him? We have no stability and we're worse than ever. Why will one more season fix it? Why will one more season suddenly enable his dire tactics to work? It's madness and nothing more than giving him time for the sake of it, devoid of any sense or reason to back it up.
We'd be better off hiring Penn and Teller as managers, because what you're suggesting amounts to something magically changing next season
 
roonster09 said:
I think this is by far the worst season post SAF. I'm not talking about points, goals, it's the performance.

I'm surprised whenever we don't concede at least 20 shots per game.

I don't know how he can fix it, tactically we are so bad it's hilarious.
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He is hiding behind the injuries but in no game this season has it looked like a reliable strategy in any way. In every match we look wide open and the players look lost.

We have a number of players in our squad that are phoning it in, walking or jogging when they should be sprinting but thats just part of the problem.

I posted a thread last month asking if you could select any players from any premier league club and make up a team where ETH formation would work week-in week-out. I think the consensus was you potentially could get it to work with the best players in the league in all key positions but you would still be underperforming against other formations.

The fact ETH has persisted with the same system in 50+ games despite being bossed by every opponent should be grounds for dismissal in itself. How can any top flight manager be so stubborn and naive simultaneously? Every pundit & journalist talk each week about the same problems yet ETH thinks it's going to magically come good.

I just want my club to stop being a laughing stock. McClaren as interrim to see out the season please. Even i don't believe I'm saying this but there is no way he'd play a formation that leaves us this open.
 
Pretty hard to see how he survives this, baring an Fa cup win. Even then it's a stretch and frankly I don't think he deserves to survive.
 
The Mitcher said:
Nonsense. It's the right time. The best upcoming managers are starting to come available and we should beat these teams to the punch now.
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Please tell me:

1. Who these ‘best upcoming’ managers are.

2. What makes Man Utd an attractive proposition vice Bayern, Liverpool etc.

If I was a young and upcoming Manager, I wouldn’t want to be coming to OT now. Rebuilding the team including the core values and standards will take years and from I read on this page, none of the fans are prepared to wait that long. Sir Jim and Brailsford will be sticking their noses into every facet of business and the Manager will not be able to fart without asking for permission.

You all condemn City for their ‘oil money’, Klopp for his management style, Arteta for his constant whining and EtH for breathing.

Not an attractive role at present.
 
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