Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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ETH is the right man for the job. He has shown already he is not a yes man, he won't be a glazer puppet.

I really do hope they fully back him in the next few windows. Within 2 years we could be back to the top i'm sure of it.

Some big decisions will be needed to be made and I hope they stop thinking money > football.
 
Tarrou said:
They can't give time-stamps?

Anyway let's move on. We all agree McT isn't good enough to be a starter anyway.
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Whoever wrote this article went to the trouble of posting pics (inc timestamp) of incidents of McTominay not showing for the ball 'aka hiding'. Now obviously there's no video included and maybe they just made up this stuff (though it would seem an awful lot of bother to do so). But it would be easy enough for you to check alongside a video of the game.

Scott McTominay’s ‘ball-hiding’ limits Manchester United in midfield (utddistrict.co.uk)

My own opinion of watching him over several seasons is that he doesn't show for it. Compare Bruno and/or Matic's or even Fred's willingness to find space and get on the ball with McTominay's and it's night and day.
 
noelyman said:
Whoever wrote this article went to the trouble of posting pics (inc timestamp) of incidents of McTominay not showing for the ball 'aka hiding'. Now obviously there's no video included and maybe they just made up this stuff (though it would seem an awful lot of bother to do so). But it would be easy enough for you to check alongside a video of the game.

Scott McTominay’s ‘ball-hiding’ limits Manchester United in midfield (utddistrict.co.uk)

My own opinion of watching him over several seasons is that he doesn't show for it. Compare Bruno and/or Matic's or even Fred's willingness to find space and get on the ball with McTominay's and it's night and day.
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hey thanks for this

will take a good look when I’m not shit-faced which I definitely am now
 
Adam-Utd said:
ETH is the right man for the job. He has shown already he is not a yes man, he won't be a glazer puppet.

I really do hope they fully back him in the next few windows. Within 2 years we could be back to the top i'm sure of it.

Some big decisions will be needed to be made and I hope they stop thinking money > football.
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The way they should be looking at it is Football = Money, rather than Money>Football. Better on field fortunes = better off field fortunes.
 
The Dutch journalist from De Telegraaf, who did the ETH weekend interview was on the Athletic United pod yesterday. Apparently, Ten Hag was a millionaire, owing to a family fortune, before he ever got involved in football and that gives him the no-compromise mentality that comes with not needing to keep his job for financial security. He had a lot of other detailed stuff to say about how Overmars stuck with him despite protests from the likes of senior players like Tadic earlier in his Ajax reign.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The Dutch journalist from De Telegraaf, who did the ETH weekend interview was on the Athletic United pod yesterday. Apparently, Ten Hag was a millionaire, owing to a family fortune, before he ever got involved in football and that gives him the no-compromise mentality that comes with not needing to keep his job for financial security. He had a lot of other detailed stuff to say about how Overmars stuck with him despite protests from the likes of senior players like Tadic earlier in his Ajax reign.
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He definitely seems like the type of manager our players won't like one bit. I hope Arnold and Murtough can be as resilient as Overmars and VDS when they start leaking shit to the press again.
 
Nordmore said:
This is my biggest worry too. He's no doubt a fantastic coach. But he has never ever managed the superstars, the big egos yet. It'll be hell of a challenge for him I think.

Looks like he'd want to keep Ronaldo too. Would be very interesting to see how he'd implement his pressing style with Ronaldo.
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You don't think a Dutch lad who grows up in the Netherlands and makes it at Ajax has an ego? Those players are superstars in their country. It may not be a global scale but its the same mentality and attitudes to manage.
 
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Two months into next season rashford will drop a leak that the instructions are too complex for the players to understand let alone execute it. Then some of the players will start throwing ten hag under the bus and a segment of the fanbase will jump onto the "sack the manager" bangwagon. Rinse and repeat.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The Dutch journalist from De Telegraaf, who did the ETH weekend interview was on the Athletic United pod yesterday. Apparently, Ten Hag was a millionaire, owing to a family fortune, before he ever got involved in football and that gives him the no-compromise mentality that comes with not needing to keep his job for financial security. He had a lot of other detailed stuff to say about how Overmars stuck with him despite protests from the likes of senior players like Tadic earlier in his Ajax reign.
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Hopefully ten hag flushes the turds and the board allows him to. Our dressing room is full of turds stinking up the place for years.
 
VidaRed said:
Two months into next season rashford will drop a leak that the instructions are too complex for the players to understand let alone execute it. Then some of the players will start throwing ten hag under the bus and a segment of the fanbase will jump onto the "sack the manager" bangwagon. Rinse and repeat.
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I expect to hear the cliche "the buck stops with the manager"
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The Dutch journalist from De Telegraaf, who did the ETH weekend interview was on the Athletic United pod yesterday. Apparently, Ten Hag was a millionaire, owing to a family fortune, before he ever got involved in football and that gives him the no-compromise mentality that comes with not needing to keep his job for financial security. He had a lot of other detailed stuff to say about how Overmars stuck with him despite protests from the likes of senior players like Tadic earlier in his Ajax reign.
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This is in my opinion where Murtough can show the difference between him and Ed. Ed was more on the player’s side as he saw them as better for commercial business and offer more value than the manager. Let’s hope Murtough is really backing ETH if the tough time really comes. The fact that the report says during ETH appointment, we didn’t ask the players’ opinion at all mean that could be early good sign of changes that the board is no longer having any trust with the player.
 
Blood Mage said:
He definitely seems like the type of manager our players won't like one bit. I hope Arnold and Murtough can be as resilient as Overmars and VDS when they start leaking shit to the press again.
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This is correct mate. ETH was already a multimillionaire before becoming a coach. He's not in it for the money, he is in it to win.

A lot of our ''ego's'' absolutely loved him. Will be interesting to see how he deals with them at UTD. Ronaldo will for sure love him.

If you feckup or don't follow the plan you're out.

Our first months with him were NOT GOOD. Players had to adjust/objected his methods but he was backed and players had to fall in line. After that everything became smooth sailing. A lot of players thanked him for personally improving them on and off the field.
 
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horsechoker said:
I expect to hear the cliche "the buck stops with the manager"
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And as usual that will be correct, when it’s correct such as the case with Ragnick. Ten Hag like every other manager alive will have to earn his support, it isn’t a god given right but apparently to some utd fans who think it is. He will have to meet minimum targets and expectations (like you would in any job!). This will include, getting more out of the current players, integrating the new players and starting to look like an actual football team on the pitch. These are basic thing that any coach worth his wage should be able to achieve. If we are still playing as we are now at the end of next season then ETH should walk. It won’t come to that though, because I’m convinced we will actually see some management and improvement.
 
Rangnick's Preparation:

Sources familiar with Carrington say the performance and result in the 4-0 defeat at Brighton was no surprise considering the build-up to the match consisted of underwhelming sessions laid on by coaches Chris Armas and Ewan Sharp, overseen by Rangnick.

There were small-sided games at modest speed, set-piece drills, and some running, but little specific to Graham Potter’s team.

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It's quite amazing to me that people can't see that Rangnick is so far off the standard of a world class manager.

Maybe some of the players will struggle with Ten Hag's tactical instructions but I'm sure it will be better than the non-existent instructions they've been given since Rangnick too over.
 
Long Time Red said:
Rangnick's Preparation:

Sources familiar with Carrington say the performance and result in the 4-0 defeat at Brighton was no surprise considering the build-up to the match consisted of underwhelming sessions laid on by coaches Chris Armas and Ewan Sharp, overseen by Rangnick.

There were small-sided games at modest speed, set-piece drills, and some running, but little specific to Graham Potter’s team.

Ten Hag's preparation:




It's quite amazing to me that people can't see that Rangnick is so far off the standard of a world class manager.

Maybe some of the players will struggle with Ten Hag's tactical instructions but I'm sure it will be better than the non-existent instructions they've been given since Rangnick too over.
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I'm not sure I necessarily buy that. Rangnick himself claims that the players don't listen to his instructions, and some leaks suggests the players have stopped listening to him. We might just have a group of petulant players who are either uncoachable or have decided to down tools.
 
Long Time Red said:
Rangnick's Preparation:

Sources familiar with Carrington say the performance and result in the 4-0 defeat at Brighton was no surprise considering the build-up to the match consisted of underwhelming sessions laid on by coaches Chris Armas and Ewan Sharp, overseen by Rangnick.

There were small-sided games at modest speed, set-piece drills, and some running, but little specific to Graham Potter’s team.
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"Sources familiar with Carrington"?

"Jessie - is that you? You can disguise your voice, but you haven't withheld your number"
 
Kaos said:
I'm not sure I necessarily buy that. Rangnick himself claims that the players don't listen to his instructions, and some leaks suggests the players have stopped listening to him. We might just have a group of petulant players who are either uncoachable or have decided to down tools.
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Perhaps they can see right through the manager and his performative bullshit?
 
Kaos said:
I'm not sure I necessarily buy that. Rangnick himself claims that the players don't listen to his instructions, and some leaks suggests the players have stopped listening to him. We might just have a group of petulant players who are either uncoachable or have decided to down tools.
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Probably because the instructions are so basic and dated.

I guarantee this uncoachable nonsense will be shown to be a complete and utter myth in pre-season although I'm sure you and the other Rangnick excuse-makers will say it's just the players trying forTen Hag and they didn't try for Rangnick.
 
Long Time Red said:
Probably because the instructions are so basic and dated.

I guarantee this uncoachable nonsense will be shown to be a complete and utter myth in pre-season although I'm sure you and the other Rangnick excuse-makers will say it's just the players trying to Ten Hag and they didn't try for Rangnick.
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I'm not making excuses for Rangnick, rather exploring the possibility that it's perhaps not all been on the manager? These players have exactly showered themselves in glory under previous managers. If anything you're perhaps showing a bit too much faith in them when its not been warranted?
 
IhabX7 said:
Perhaps they can see right through the manager and his performative bullshit?
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Like they did with all our recent managers? And what's given them the right to undermine the manager? Their collective success as a team that's led us to winning heaps of honours in the last several years?
 
Kaos said:
I'm not making excuses for Rangnick, rather exploring the possibility that it's perhaps not all been on the manager? These players have exactly showered themselves in glory under previous managers. If anything you're perhaps showing a bit too much faith in them when its not been warranted?
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He is obviously not up for it and gave up on top of it, as the players are obviously also not up for it
 
Kaos said:
Like they did with all our recent managers? And what's given them the right to undermine the manager? Their collective success as a team that's led us to winning heaps of honours in the last several years?
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We've changed the players too mate. Not saying they are right, but they need to be motivated to be at a top level. They need to believe they can achieve something.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not making excuses for Rangnick, rather exploring the possibility that it's perhaps not all been on the manager? These players have exactly showered themselves in glory under previous managers. If anything you're perhaps showing a bit too much faith in them when its not been warranted?
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I think it's fair to say they probably aren't the easiest group of players to coach and manage but the reason we haven't finished 4th this season is squarely on Rangnick's shoulders from the position he took over in December.
 
Long Time Red said:
I think it's fair to say they probably aren't the easiest group of players to coach and manage but the reason we haven't finished 4th this season is squarely on Rangnick's shoulders from the position he took over in December.
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Yes it's Rangnick's fault the squad's shite. Yes it's Rangnick's fault the players only followed his instructions for all of 30mins against Palace. Yes it's Rangnick's fault all the players just aren't good enough. 100% Ralf's fault.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Yes it's Rangnick's fault the squad's shite. Yes it's Rangnick's fault the players only followed his instructions for all of 30mins against Palace. Yes it's Rangnick's fault all the players just aren't good enough. 100% Ralf's fault.
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Where is your evidence that they only followed instructions for 30 minutes? Is it not far more likely that the instructions have changed in his time here?

The squad was consistently top four in previous years. Sure he took over when we were struggling but it was definitely attainable when he joined. We look even worse now than we did in Ole’s final weeks.
 
Kaos said:
I'm not sure I necessarily buy that. Rangnick himself claims that the players don't listen to his instructions, and some leaks suggests the players have stopped listening to him. We might just have a group of petulant players who are either uncoachable or have decided to down tools.
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I definitely think there has been 0 motivation since we got knocked out of the CL, but there is definitely truth in the talk of the lack of coaching. Not exactly rocket science, but we went from Ole as manager and whatever his coaching team was, which was fine for a couple of years but got stale and the players felt like we needed an upgrade if we wanted to step up (entirely fair and accurate). To then getting a change, only to get a few MLS level coaches in? Even ignoring Rangnick, if players for a team who want to challenge for a title are getting average PL level coaching and then get downgraded to MLS level coaching (probably 3rd league equivalent), then of course it'll cause further issues and further demotivation in the squad and the performances will show the lack of coaching.

This should be the quickest and biggest change from Ten Hag coming in and bringing in his own coaching team. Some top level coaching for once.
 
Jeppers7 said:
The more I’m hearing about ETH, his attention to detail, drive and determination. The more exceptional I think he is. He’s turned the tables on Manchester United in a job interview. Made Twente manager Steve Mclaren adapt to his philosophy when he was his assistant !

I’d always considered it a shame that his Ajax team didn’t get to the CL final that season but perhaps it was a blessing. Had they won it there’s just no way he’d have been at Ajax this season for us to get him.
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I think they had a couple of suspensions too in the second leg.
 
Long Time Red said:
Rangnick's Preparation:

Sources familiar with Carrington say the performance and result in the 4-0 defeat at Brighton was no surprise considering the build-up to the match consisted of underwhelming sessions laid on by coaches Chris Armas and Ewan Sharp, overseen by Rangnick.

There were small-sided games at modest speed, set-piece drills, and some running, but little specific to Graham Potter’s team.

Ten Hag's preparation:




It's quite amazing to me that people can't see that Rangnick is so far off the standard of a world class manager.

Maybe some of the players will struggle with Ten Hag's tactical instructions but I'm sure it will be better than the non-existent instructions they've been given since Rangnick too over.
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If a teacher walks into a classroom with his hands full of Anna Karenina and Ulysses, but the students barely can read a fecking manual, that teacher will probably be handing out kids material rather quickly.
 
roonster09 said:
We don't have any superstars except Ronaldo. Apart from him none of them belongs to that category. Apart from Ronaldo and Varane, we have players who have achieved nothing (winning trophies) at top level.
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Adisa said:
How many superstars do we have?
Exclude Varane and Ronny, count the number of career medals. Most of our players have done nothing of note in their careers.
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babablue said:
What superstars do we have? He has won more than anyone except Ronaldo, Varane and Pogba. Ronaldo seems excited to work with him, Varane doesn't strike me as that kind of player and Pogba is probably gone.
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Agree, but we also have "stars" with huge egos who done nothing, or very little in football. Those will be problem, them and their press friends. Ronnie, Varane, DDG will not be problem, quite sure they will like Erik. They want to play and win.
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Agree, but we also have "stars" with huge egos who done nothing, or very little in football. Those will be problem, them and their press friends. Ronnie, Varane, DDG will not be problem, quite sure they will like Erik. They want to play and win.
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Why don't you name the players you think will be a problem?

The ones I see being a problem are leaving in Henderson, Bailly, Lingard, Pogba and the only other one is Rashford but he wont have his supporting crew, so he will have to fall in line.
 
romufc said:
Why don't you name the players you think will be a problem?

The ones I see being a problem are leaving in Henderson, Bailly, Lingard, Pogba and the only other one is Rashford but he wont have his supporting crew, so he will have to fall in line.
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Did not name players cause I don't know who is leaving who is staying. On the other hand you pretty much named them. You sure they are all leaving? I wish. Rashford, you say wont have his supporting crew, you mean Lingard and Pogba, ok, but what about his media supporting crew?
 
No Idea For Nickname said:
Did not name players cause I don't know who is leaving who is staying. On the other hand you pretty much named them. You sure they are all leaving? I wish. Rashford, you say wont have his supporting crew, you mean Lingard and Pogba, ok, but what about his media supporting crew?
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I am 100% sure Pogba and Lingard are leaving, their contracts expire in a month. Bailly and Henderson want to be first team, plus there has already been interest, so a very good chance they leave.

I have seen Neville, Keane and the like have a go at Rashford's performances. Once Ten Hag comes in, no one is going to back him if the attitude is not there.
 
Rangnick is a total fraud, and its a laugh how the idiots on here fall for his cheap tricks. Players have already seen through his empty words.

Ten Hag is the hope. It will be a new United next season.
 
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