Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Poor bloke could be in for even less backing under Ratcliffe than the leeches. Wouldn't blame him for walking if that happens in the next few windows
 
Rojofiam said:
My favourite one is when the majority of posters vehemently criticize the substitutions made by the manager or the time at which they were made...usually after a bad result, as if they know better than the best football managers on the planet. Even bums like Lampard will be 10x the knowledge they'll ever have on any topic related to managing.
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Using this logic, we shouldn't even have a forum to discuss anything related to the club.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Using this logic, we shouldn't even have a forum to discuss anything related to the club.
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Of course we should, but some people think they're speaking nothing but facts and even managers with a UEFA Pro License can't see what they are seeing.

For example, a lot of people genuinely believe that Ole was perfectly happy and content with McFred and wasn't going to upgrade our midfield if a good opportunity presented itself.
 
Rojofiam said:
Of course we should, but some people think they're speaking nothing but facts and even managers with a UEFA Pro License can't see what they are seeing.

For example, a lot of people genuinely believe that Ole was perfectly happy and content with McFred and wasn't going to upgrade our midfield if a good opportunity presented itself.
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Are you actually trying to absolve Ole of that? He was here for numerous windows and never ever sought to upgrade our midfield. Clearly he didn't think it was a big issue. He could have even done so in 2021, but he got too enamored with bringing Ronaldo back to United.

I honestly don't understand the lengths some of you go to in order defend the managers from their shortcomings or flaws.

Especially managers that literally achieved nothing for us.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Are you actually trying to absolve Ole of that? He was here for numerous windows and never ever sought to upgrade our midfield. Clearly he didn't think it was a big issue. He could have even done so in 2021, but he got too enamored with bringing Ronaldo back to United.

I honestly don't understand the lengths some of you go to in order defend the managers from their shortcomings or flaws.

Especially managers that literally achieved nothing for us.
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Yep, you're one of those people.
 
100% behind the ETH and reckon we’ll do much better next year but he has got a few tricks to learn no doubt it
He’s a young manager in the most competitive league in the world managing a high profile team. Its going to take time.
 
Eckers99 said:
The 'What has Ten Hag done for us?' thread.

Yeah, he inherited a completely undercooked, disillusioned Frankenstein's monster of a squad that had limped through our worst season post-Fergie.

Yeah, he only had one fit striker who wanted to leave, caused a stink and rinsed the club on TV.

Yeah, he got us to two cup finals, the latter stages of a European trophy and took us into the top 4 despite having an awful fixture pile up because of the World Cup and a weak squad that wasn't his doing.

Yeah, he got the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Dalot, AWB playing as well as they've ever played for us.

Yeah, he made OT a fortress again.

Yeah, he beat Barca, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc.

Yeah, he's instilled some discipline in the team and they've responded to it.

Yeah he handled the Maguire captaincy issue really well despite taking the player out of the team and building a much meaner defence.

Yeah, we finally won a trophy.

Yeah, his signings have largely been some of our very best performers this season.

Yeah, the matchgoers are fully invested and excited again and it's reflected in a regularly bouncing atmosphere at home games.

Yeah, he's shown Garnacho some tough love and has laid the groundwork for a (potentially) very exciting career.

I'm sure there's more.

And yet some of you genuinely think he should be sacked if we don't make top 4? Absolute fecking idiots.
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Very well said.
 
DJ_21 said:
People keep saying that… but I bet you was also one of the people that was crying out for us to start winning trophy’s and this is just the start…
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Agree it’s a start, but I’m not very optimistic at the moment. Couple of years ago we had a very young start line and I wanted United to build a new team (patiently) the same way Arteta did with Arsenal. Instead we started to buy players like Ronaldo, Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen and Weghorst. I’m a great fan of Casemiro and he is a key player, but I don’t think it’s wise to build a new team with players over the top.

I support ETH and don’t want to replace him now. Don’t think any other manager will do much better, because most people want quick fixes and immediate success. If someone had stopped the Ronaldo transfer and made the right transfers, summer 21, I’m pretty sure we had challenged City and Arsenal this season or the next season.
 
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Rojofiam said:
Of course we should, but some people think they're speaking nothing but facts and even managers with a UEFA Pro License can't see what they are seeing.

For example, a lot of people genuinely believe that Ole was perfectly happy and content with McFred and wasn't going to upgrade our midfield if a good opportunity presented itself.
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Ole spent 3 years here and only bought one midfielder, VDB, and kept him on the bench. He spent 400m in a period of 3 years and that was his only midfield signing. Of course he was happy with this lot.

As much as flop like Antony or shit like Weghorst are Ten Hag's choices.
 
Eckers99 said:
The 'What has Ten Hag done for us?' thread.

Yeah, he inherited a completely undercooked, disillusioned Frankenstein's monster of a squad that had limped through our worst season post-Fergie.

Yeah, he only had one fit striker who wanted to leave, caused a stink and rinsed the club on TV.

Yeah, he got us to two cup finals, the latter stages of a European trophy and took us into the top 4 despite having an awful fixture pile up because of the World Cup and a weak squad that wasn't his doing.

Yeah, he got the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Dalot, AWB playing as well as they've ever played for us.

Yeah, he made OT a fortress again.

Yeah, he beat Barca, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc.

Yeah, he's instilled some discipline in the team and they've responded to it.

Yeah he handled the Maguire captaincy issue really well despite taking the player out of the team and building a much meaner defence.

Yeah, we finally won a trophy.

Yeah, his signings have largely been some of our very best performers this season.

Yeah, the matchgoers are fully invested and excited again and it's reflected in a regularly bouncing atmosphere at home games.

Yeah, he's shown Garnacho some tough love and has laid the groundwork for a (potentially) very exciting career.

I'm sure there's more.

And yet some of you genuinely think he should be sacked if we don't make top 4? Absolute fecking idiots.
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"Latter stages of European trophy" ? Reaching Quarter final in Europe fecking League now is something worthy to be mentioned under a manager's achievements.

Some of you really have no shame.
 
Eckers99 said:
The 'What has Ten Hag done for us?' thread.

Yeah, he inherited a completely undercooked, disillusioned Frankenstein's monster of a squad that had limped through our worst season post-Fergie.

Yeah, he only had one fit striker who wanted to leave, caused a stink and rinsed the club on TV.

Yeah, he got us to two cup finals, the latter stages of a European trophy and took us into the top 4 despite having an awful fixture pile up because of the World Cup and a weak squad that wasn't his doing.

Yeah, he got the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Dalot, AWB playing as well as they've ever played for us.

Yeah, he made OT a fortress again.

Yeah, he beat Barca, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc.

Yeah, he's instilled some discipline in the team and they've responded to it.

Yeah he handled the Maguire captaincy issue really well despite taking the player out of the team and building a much meaner defence.

Yeah, we finally won a trophy.

Yeah, his signings have largely been some of our very best performers this season.

Yeah, the matchgoers are fully invested and excited again and it's reflected in a regularly bouncing atmosphere at home games.

Yeah, he's shown Garnacho some tough love and has laid the groundwork for a (potentially) very exciting career.

I'm sure there's more.

And yet some of you genuinely think he should be sacked if we don't make top 4? Absolute fecking idiots.
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This is great, some actual context.
 
el3mel said:
"Latter stages of European trophy" ? Reaching Quarter final in Europe fecking League now is something worthy to be mentioned under a manager's achievements.

Some of you really have no shame.
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Some of you really have no clue.
 
The undefeated run leading into the world cup and times after it showed what the squad is capable of, even it being an good but not good enough squad.

But with fixture congestion, injuries, limited time to training due to necessary rest/recovery, suspension, and lack of quality depth, United are heavily limping towards the finish line.

Somehow, United have 1 more game to lose and still have their top 4 fate in their hand. 9 points from 12 is doable but with the goal shy players and recent goal scoring drought, it's a tough ask.
 
bosskeano said:
that could easily change if we miss out on the CL
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It very well could but then look at who we've signed last summer. Paying big bucks and being Utd helps massively, which may be relative, if the transfer budget rumours for this summer is to be true.
 
edcunited1878 said:
The undefeated run leading into the world cup and times after it showed what the squad is capable of, even it being an good but not good enough squad.

But with fixture congestion, injuries, limited time to training due to necessary rest/recovery, suspension, and lack of quality depth, United are heavily limping towards the finish line.

Somehow, United have 1 more game to lose and still have their top 4 fate in their hand. 9 points from 12 is doable but with the goal shy players and recent goal scoring drought, it's a tough ask.
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How big is today's game though!?
 
Some really good results, some really shite ones. Overall the good outweighs the bad, especially as we've won a trophy but if we throw away top 4 from here and have only the Carabao to show for this season to add to our pathetic away record in the league including the numerous beatdowns and thrashings we've taken, it tips the scales the other way.
 
criticalanalysis said:
It very well could but then look at who we've signed last summer. Paying big bucks and being Utd helps massively, which may be relative, if the transfer budget rumours for this summer is to be true.
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hard to know what the budget will be based on the club being up for sale

also....the FA Cup could play a role as well in european places with the two manchester clubs being involved
 
giggs-beckham said:
How big is today's game though!?
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Another 3 points. Same value as other 3 points, but it is more meaningful knowing what they're trying to achieve at the end of the season. Get as high in the table and that is 3rd place.

They have to find a way to get 9 points starting again tomorrow. It's a big test at home and really need to take this challenge head on because it's going to be just as hard if not harder in the future when potential title runs are at stake.

Same reason why we want to make deep cup runs, so we can compete against good teams and try to beat them while advancing towards a cup final.
 
SAF is the GOAT said:
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We have a manager talking positively about transfers before the end of the season. That's huge.

I don't even care if it's true or not, ETH is building perception, demand and exclusivity. The message he is giving is not that "we are desperate and need quality" but that "we have an exciting project and if you don't move quickly and negotiate, you will miss out". It's almost like "forget all the other stuff going on, why wouldn't you want to be a part of this?".

This is such a refreshing change from the last few years and the message shows his experience, that he has probably kept in touch with players.

He's also a calculated risk taker. I don't think he'd say that and then we get nothing because he'd look foolish and I don't think he's a fool. I actually reckon we're going to get some really interesting players in during this transfer window because they've seen what ETH can do for them.

I was always going to judge him on this transfer window and next season so here's hoping!
 
kundalini said:
His favouritism towards Antony is embarrassing, while his decisions regarding Weghorst are inexplicable.
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Post World Cup

Martial injured from January until March
Garnacho injured from March until May
Rashford injured in April
Sancho having whatever issues he had with Antony being in a much better form anyway
Elanga not good enough.

You could say that Elanga would be a bigger threat than Weghorst, hard to disagree, but favoritism towards Antony? We have to field a fit strating eleven.
 
I'd like to see him change things up this week. I accept that he's not had as much time to prepare the team for games with the number of midweek matches we play but there's no such excuse for this week.

I'm kind of tired of seeing the same players starting games, followed by the same subs at same points in the game.
 
NinjaZombie said:
I'd like to see him change things up this week. I accept that he's not had as much time to prepare the team for games with the number of midweek matches we play but there's no such excuse for this week.

I'm kind of tired of seeing the same players starting games, followed by the same subs at same points in the game.
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Same here, but sadly don't expect it to happen.
 
Polar said:
Agree it’s a start, but I’m not very optimistic at the moment. Couple of years ago we had a very young start line and I wanted United to build a new team (patiently) the same way Arteta did with Arsenal. Instead we started to buy players like Ronaldo, Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen and Weghorst. I’m a great fan of Casemiro and he is a key player, but I don’t think it’s wise to build a new team with players over the top.

I support ETH and don’t want to replace him now. Don’t think any other manager will do much better, because most people want quick fixes and immediate success. If someone had stopped the Ronaldo transfer and made the right transfers, summer 21, I’m pretty sure we had challenged City and Arsenal this season or the next season.
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When young players like Martial, Sancho, Depay joined people accused the club for skimp.
When big names like Ronaldo, Varane, Eriksen joined people accused the club of wanting quick fixes.
Bottom line is results. Fergie played bottles in midfield most of his career.
 
After the Wehorst experiment and foolishly relying on Martial, Ten Hag needs to realize he has a proper finisher sitting at home right now who we have under contract.
 
manutddjw said:
After the Wehorst experiment and foolishly relying on Martial, Ten Hag needs to realize he has a proper finisher sitting at home right now who we have under contract.
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You mean one who hasn’t played 1 min in 18 months and a big portion of the fans don’t want him anywhere near the club? It’s time we move on
 
Why are we still shooting from distance? How has he not addressed that?
 
Rightnr said:
Why are we still shooting from distance? How has he not addressed that?
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We should be doing it even more than we do now. Man City have tons of long range shots and they've been fairly successful over the last few league seasons.
 
Here we are again. If we fail to win with the donkey on again it's definitely question time
 
Will be sacked mid-way through next season if we carry on playing like this
 
golden_blunder said:
You mean one who hasn’t played 1 min in 18 months and a big portion of the fans don’t want him anywhere near the club? It’s time we move on
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Yeah that guy. The united spaces I’m on the general consensus is they want him back. Although it’s a small sample. I think he solves a lot of problems for us especially with every decent striker valued at over 100 million.
 
manutddjw said:
Yeah that guy. The united spaces I’m on the general consensus is they want him back. Although it’s a small sample. I think he solves a lot of problems for us especially with every decent striker valued at over 100 million.
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Don’t want him personally. Doesn’t matter how good he was
 
Ayoba said:
Will be sacked mid-way through next season if we carry on playing like this
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We have 30 shots. Clearly dominating the game.
What can he possibly improve at this point in this performance?
They just reduse to fecking score.
 
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