What? You think somebody actually told them to switch off?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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The progress we've made within 6 months is crazy. EtH given depth over the summer will be a thing of beauty. He's raised our expectations 2 years faster than we thought. I personally think he's our biggest asset in the team. The avoidable draws and frustrating losses are part of the growing Pains of any premier league manager. Let him experience them and hopefully they harden him for the next season.
What?
This doesn’t make any sense at all unless you’re a wum. Don’t tell me you actually believe someone instructed our players to switch off?
I think some posters are picking at anything EtH says now just so they can have a dig. It's pretty fecking pathetic.
Fair comment. Also conceding late and play starting a poor striker dis not help
Anyone moaning cause we lost to an Arsenal team that have dropped 9 points all season, away from home, by conceding in the 89th minute, needs to give their head a wobble. Are you gobshites forgetting where we were last season?
Clearly. It's a frustrating way to lose a game, but honestly, compared to where we were, it really is night and day.
If we have Casemiro and Martial breaks the habit of a lifetime and is fit when we could do with him, we probably win that today.
I'm more than happy in the direction of the club right now. Now that makes a big change.
Arsenal deserved the win.
However the result was decided last Wednesday and at 60 mins today.
Thinking ahead is a prime requirement of a manager. Palace are a physical side, perfect from McTominay. The match today was the chance to get right in the mix for the title. Casemiro should have been rested for today.
At 60 mins United were desperate for a new attacking option, something for Arsenal to worry about. Fred coming on for the useless, no pace, Antony was OK, but Garnacho should have replaced the 'new' useless lump of a forward.
Such decisions distinguish really good managers from the 'good'.
However the result was decided last Wednesday and at 60 mins today.
Thinking ahead is a prime requirement of a manager. Palace are a physical side, perfect from McTominay. The match today was the chance to get right in the mix for the title. Casemiro should have been rested for today.
At 60 mins United were desperate for a new attacking option, something for Arsenal to worry about. Fred coming on for the useless, no pace, Antony was OK, but Garnacho should have replaced the 'new' useless lump of a forward.
Such decisions distinguish really good managers from the 'good'.
Still needs a proper recruitment team and not whatever 10 names on ETH's head.
His target was FDJ, Gakpo, ffs.. Frenkie would be fine as a signing but club should walked away long before it became obvious that he wasn't joining. Also not ETH's fault that club wasted money on Antony but it's embarasing that they couldn't find a better RW for the same money
Did you not see McTominays cameo midweek?
So. Many. Idiots.
ETH during HT team talk: "Switch off lads, job is done here".
Spot on! Can't believe I'm seeing people having a go at Ten Hag, the improvement from last season has been massive. Got to give him time to improve the squad so we're not so reliant on one player like Casemiro
ETH has been fecking brilliant for this club. The only mistake he’s made has been the 90m spent on Antony. That may set us back a couple of transfer windows.
Antony should have been replaced by Garnacho and Erikson for Fred.
To be very honest, the gripes I have with Ten Hag are more about the decisions and non-decisions that had a direct impact in wasting 5 points out of 6 this week. Let's go through them i no particular order.
- Leaving Casemiro on against Palace when Fred has played all season as his replacement upon the manager's call. That cost a yellow card and a ban.
- Playing McTominay in both games when that Academy idiot has no clue about delivering the goods and does not have a good enough attitude as a midfielder.
- Waited too long before sending Garnacho on against Arsenal. McTominay + Antony had to make way for Fred + Garnacho.
- Did not play the back 4 from the last few weeks (Shaw at LCB and Malacia at LB) + Martinez as a CDM. Against Arsenal, we needed someone who could keep Odegaard shut when Arsenal have Partey to neutralize Bruno.
He tried Martinez as a DM at Ajax and he was terrible. If he cannot do it there you would not risk it in the PL. Maybe if Casemiro hadn't done a stupid tackle he might not have got booked. Agree about McTominay, but Fred performs well with Casemiro. I would not trust him with being the lynch pin in my midfield. Garnacho I would have put on earlier.
I think he's doing a good job so far and the first half in particular was very good in parts. But he's inherited some weak players on the ball starting with the goalkeeper and that will always hamper him going forward due to how he wants to dominate all phases of play. I think with a keeper suited to playing his brand of football and a upgrade in midfield, well see the players in the defensive phase connect defense and attack much more effectively. And those players in the final third will look better than they're currently, because we'll potentially better control possession.
Arteta got rid of both Leno and Martinez to bring in Ramsdale. And many Arsenal fans were perplexed by that decision but it made absolute sense because Arteta wants to dominate the ball and play the game in the opponent's half. It was 3 years in the making, but he's built a team that plays in his image. And ten Hag similarly wants to do the same and I'm confident we'll get their under him in the coming seasons.
Arteta got rid of both Leno and Martinez to bring in Ramsdale. And many Arsenal fans were perplexed by that decision but it made absolute sense because Arteta wants to dominate the ball and play the game in the opponent's half. It was 3 years in the making, but he's built a team that plays in his image. And ten Hag similarly wants to do the same and I'm confident we'll get their under him in the coming seasons.
Ten Hag is doing a fine job, just needs some better ingredients to cook with. His pursuit of Antony is looking questionable at the moment but nobody is perfect.
I don’t think it’s right to state that anyone who criticises ETH is an idiot even though it is my personal belief that anyone who does this is indeed an idiot. However it’s fair enough fans say what they want, even if it is a clear demonstration of their idiotic natures.
DDG is a conundrum. Yes he is a great shot stopper, but if he is wanting to go down the dominating the ball route not sure we can wait for him to get used to using his feet and learning to come for the ball at corners, crosses. He has had his eye on other goalies, but apart from Sommer they are usually what you would class as backups. Think one of the biggest things he did was ditching Ronaldo. It showed authority. There are players who showed improvement but today they also showed they still have weaknesses. Will that have changed his view on some players who he thought could save him a bit of money?
I posted this in the wrong thread, feels more apt in this one.
I like how when the season started we all were for the most part realistic of where we were. All willing to give EtH at least two windows to not win the epl but at the very least get us competitive again, be in the conversation.
He's done that within less than a full season, people have raised their expectations and forgotten who brought us here. Doubting EtH at this point is maddening to me.
We're overperforming, participating in 4 competitions with a thin squad. Trust the manager
I like how when the season started we all were for the most part realistic of where we were. All willing to give EtH at least two windows to not win the epl but at the very least get us competitive again, be in the conversation.
He's done that within less than a full season, people have raised their expectations and forgotten who brought us here. Doubting EtH at this point is maddening to me.
We're overperforming, participating in 4 competitions with a thin squad. Trust the manager
The Antony situation looks worse because all of a sudden we lost Sancho when Antony could have been more time to settle.
Not totally like them of course but i won't be complaining if Man United became more street wise and use whatever it takes to earn at least a draw.
Could see that late Arsenal winner coming and nothing was done to slow down or curb their momentum.
He’s not perfect but the progress is evident.
Casemiro would have subtly launched somebody into Row Z.
Did you not see Saka vs Malacia at OT..
Before kickoff, the vast majority of us (myself included) didn’t expect anything other than an Arsenal win today. It was more hope than expectation that we were going to get anything from this game without our most influential midfielder in Casemiro. With no Casemiro, I think many of us were expecting a hiding from that lot, so to say we’d only lose 3-2 with their late winner coming from an Nketiah toe poke in the last minute from a very tight offside VAR call, I think many of us would have reluctantly taken that.
It’s literally night and day to where we were this time last season. ETH has only been here for 6-7 months and the progress we have made in that time has massively exceeded expectations. I didn’t expect us to be where we are right now, especially after the Brighton & Brentford results/performances. Yes it’s disappointing to lose to that lot but they are top of the league for a reason and that’s something that Arteta didn’t accomplish overnight. It was a long process in which he told everyone to “trust the process” despite the overwhelming majority of their fans calling for his head. Now that process is in full flow and they are reaping the benefits as we can see. Shows you what fans know.
We are going to win games and hit some rough disappointing patches along the way but we need to trust and back ETH as the work he has done in a short space of time is remarkable. It’s not an overnight fix many of our fans are wanting. This club has and was a massive mess before ETH arrived and it was never going to be a quick fix with everything all turning consistently rosy-posy as soon as he stepped through the doors. It’s going to take time as he inherited a poor squad with confidence at a very low ebb. Give the guy time as surely you can see the progress we have made and for the first time since SAF’s retirement, the players believe in his vision. For example, look at Rashford this season and last season. Looks a completely new player. Yes he’s going to make decisions from time to time that upset/annoy us but overall the positives outweigh the negatives one billion fold! He’s new to this league and it’s a learning curve for him too I’m sure he’d say. As we all know the English Prem is a much much tougher league than what he’s been used to with the Eredivisie so there is some adapting/learning to do there. He was never going to be consistently perfect with everything from the get-go just like Pep & Klopp weren’t in their opening seasons at City & Liverpool. And both still get things wrong from time to time to this day. You are mad to think otherwise.
It’s literally night and day to where we were this time last season. ETH has only been here for 6-7 months and the progress we have made in that time has massively exceeded expectations. I didn’t expect us to be where we are right now, especially after the Brighton & Brentford results/performances. Yes it’s disappointing to lose to that lot but they are top of the league for a reason and that’s something that Arteta didn’t accomplish overnight. It was a long process in which he told everyone to “trust the process” despite the overwhelming majority of their fans calling for his head. Now that process is in full flow and they are reaping the benefits as we can see. Shows you what fans know.
We are going to win games and hit some rough disappointing patches along the way but we need to trust and back ETH as the work he has done in a short space of time is remarkable. It’s not an overnight fix many of our fans are wanting. This club has and was a massive mess before ETH arrived and it was never going to be a quick fix with everything all turning consistently rosy-posy as soon as he stepped through the doors. It’s going to take time as he inherited a poor squad with confidence at a very low ebb. Give the guy time as surely you can see the progress we have made and for the first time since SAF’s retirement, the players believe in his vision. For example, look at Rashford this season and last season. Looks a completely new player. Yes he’s going to make decisions from time to time that upset/annoy us but overall the positives outweigh the negatives one billion fold! He’s new to this league and it’s a learning curve for him too I’m sure he’d say. As we all know the English Prem is a much much tougher league than what he’s been used to with the Eredivisie so there is some adapting/learning to do there. He was never going to be consistently perfect with everything from the get-go just like Pep & Klopp weren’t in their opening seasons at City & Liverpool. And both still get things wrong from time to time to this day. You are mad to think otherwise.
When Arteta joined Arsenal they finished 8th for two consecutive seasons and 5th last term. Yet, they stuck with him and let him build his team, culture and style and now everyones waxing lyricals about them. Give ETH the same treatment and we will be there or there abouts. The progress made so far in half a season speaks volumes already.
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He’s a top manager.
Need to back this manager. Lots of positives. It’s only a few short months since we were a laughingstock. Have to remember where we were to appreciate where we are
I like how people act like he wanted Gakpo to come be a 40 match starter. Ignores he could have simply wanted him to upgrade the squad depth.
Also it's naive to look at what Gakpo is doing at liverpool. He would have been in a different system with ETH.
ETH doesn't evaluate players' price. His fixation on certain players is something to blame but it's club's fault for overpaying mediocre players. With 100mil, we could buy 2-3 players on the same caliber and no one would cry about the lack of depth. The fact they provided him 0 alt speaks volumes.
I guess my point being recruitment team and manager need to be on the same page.
Doesn't fecking make sense when we have 3 natural left wingers at the club already. If Gakpo played on the right, sure go for it I don't care but he is not.
So because last season happened we are supposed to applaud and appreciate losing games?
I for one hope that the players and staff don't have this kind of mentality. They should be hurting tonight and they should come back and kick ass next week.
United fans should be moaning after losses. Regardless of situation or opposition. They day we stop doing that is the day we're not relevant anymore.
I did, but I also recognize that Malacia has also held his ground against Mahrez just last week after lining up his share of solid performances. Playing 5 Ds against Arsenal would not have been a bad idea when I have seen us beat them with 7 Ds before.
Since our main problem was about the middle because Casemiro was absent, it's obvious that we needed someone capable of doing the job for just this game. Relying on McTominay for the job was always going to be suicide.
Spot on. I think the posters who got giddy with our run and prematurely called us title challengers are the ones who are being the harshest and loudest now. It is important people realise that getting to the top is a process and not react excessively to wins or defeats.
The biggest positive from the game for me was the fact that we competed well even if we didn’t play to our highest potential. I don’t dread us playing anyone now and there is an optimism that we will compete in every game, even if the end outcome is not favourable.
I'm thrilled that we finally have a proper manager that has made our fixtures matter!
I think ditching Ronaldo was a step in the right direction and ditching De Gea would also be very beneficial as far as evolving as a proactive attacking unit.
We know he wants to build up play from the back and the keeper isn't good enough in that regard. Rival teams have left us far behind in that regard, and those rival teams have keepers who not only distribute to a higher level and bait the opponent's press, but their keepers also have the ability to be commanding in and around the box which is also missing with De Gea.
I honestly believe if we improve our build up play with a keeper and midfielder suited to positional play, then we'll see the final third players be even more effective.
Yes we do need a striker but the most dominant and high scoring teams are those teams who have the best build up/transitions starting from the keeper, into the CBs, deeper lying mids and the fullbacks. And that then transitions into pinning the opponent back and playing the game in the opponents half.
All of the below players are a weakness on the ball in the first phase of the build up for the level we aspire to be at.
De Gea
Wan Bissaka
Fred
Mctominay
And as far as Erik ten Hag is concerned, I'm very happy with his work thus far and I completely expected us to drop points and see our fans complain about the substitutions or the team selection etc. The City and Liverpool fans have been doing the same with their managers. But I'm very happy with the progress thus far and there's much more to come.
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