And people think its only United fans who are entitled...That you're right about. There is a lot of criticism toward him that pre dates United confirmation. Just took a look
The poll on ETH they had there, 30% had sack and 30% said wait until end of season to sack.
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If any of those 4 are given new deals then this is a really bad start for him. It would be similar to how all the England managers thought they could get Gerrard and Lampard to work together. Blind arrogance that they can do something others couldn't.
That you're right about. There is a lot of criticism toward him that pre dates United confirmation. Just took a look
The poll on ETH they had there, 30% had sack and 30% said wait until end of season to sack.
Tough crowd.
Ajax/United fans on this thread kind of acted the same when I asked them about how they felt.
Like it was not anything big they were losing.
Not sure if thats worrying for us or if they dont recognize the good work he did.
They hadnt won a title for 5 years before he came right? So hes obviously done very well there. Looks like they have a gripe with his chosen players and lack of rotation.
Ajax fans are similar to Real Madrid fans, notoriously tough on their coaches and players and have specific standards which they expect to be met. Ten Hag can be a bit pragmatic at times and they don't like that, even though he's the most successful coach they've had in years. They like an idealistic coach who doesn't stray too far from Cruyffian principles. They loved Peter Bosz for this reason.
This is still true. Martinez, Alvarez, Kudus, Daramy, Antony, Neres, Marin, Kristensen, Wober as some more. All young players that were bought. Sure Tadic and Blind were bought for the experience, but most signings are still very young players.
I'm not cherrypicking to hold things against Ten Hag. People are posting blatant lies about Ten Hag, he wasn't responsible for signing players, Overmars was. Ten Hag asked for a few specific players over the years and those he got. But those players usually don't work out(Klaiber, Labyad etc). The way it worked at Ajax was that the manager could ask for a type of player he needed for the squad and then Overmars & team would find a player. NOT Ten Hag, there is no reason for a DoF if the manager still makes the signings, sure Ten Hag was consulted. But the way it works at Ajax is the DoF makes the signings and the board even needs to agree about the players, to make sure it fits the clubs philosophy.
And some people are suggesting that i'm only negative about Ten Hag because he's leaving and that's utter bullshit. I haven't posted that much about him here in the past, but some of the posts here are consistent with i'm saying since he agreed to go to United. He's just a bit to reluctant to use youth players and can't really sub to change a game. But when his tactics work, they reaaaaaaaaaally work. So not that much to worry about for United fans. There were quite a few things that annoyed Ajax fans, because Ajax fans have extra demands for managers/players that usually don't apply to fans of other clubs. For example, most people think Haller is doing a good job at Ajax because he scores many goals, but for most Ajax fans he's just not good enough. Ajax fans(and me included) are a bit elitist
I never rate Ajax players to be as good as what lot of people think. This is why ETH got criticised when he lost to Benfica because people thought ETH had top players but in reality losing to Benfica is not big deal given the quality players he had is not that good. IMO Lot of their players are overachieved in performance due to ETH makes him looks good. It's like Cleverley played regularly at United in 12/13 to win the league doesn't mean he's good enough for United, it's just Sir Alex managed to get the best out of him. The same with ETH managed to get the best out of Haller but in reality just like Cleverley, he's not that good.
EtH won't play a youth player unless he believes said youth player will contribute to the team at first team level. And that is according to the Ajax fans who run the 'We talk Ajax' YouTube channel.
And I agree with the above, which will hopefully see us steer clear from the mistakes of the past imo. We should want the best young players to be given a opportunity in the first team with a view to adding to the collective and not to make up numbers.
And I agree with the above, which will hopefully see us steer clear from the mistakes of the past imo. We should want the best young players to be given a opportunity in the first team with a view to adding to the collective and not to make up numbers.
Can see the headlines now.
When we lose: Erik Ten Drag.
When we negotiate for a player: Erik Ten Haggle
When we lose: Erik Ten Drag.
When we negotiate for a player: Erik Ten Haggle
The key thing for me is not that he calls up more, or less youth players, but that he has the right discerning eye on those in his setup. Calling up for calling up sake isn't helpful. So whereas he might be more reluctant to use youth players in general, he might also be less reluctant to inhibit youth players minutes if they fit his playing profile and have the requisite abilities.
Which coach who manages a club that is expected to challenge for titles consistently plays youth all that regularly, its a luxury that can't be afforded, sure, when someone special comes along he'll be utilized but no way can we do it the LVG way that simply won't work because like LVG youths only Rashford and Lingard went on to have a decent career at United.
Agree 100%.
We are MUFC, not Ajax or Southampton.
Smaller clubs develop youth and put those players on display so big clubs can come and buy them for big money. This helps balance the books of smaller clubs.
We are not a smaller club so don't need to do this. We can buy young players when they are on the cusp of becoming top class. PSG did this with Mbappe. We did it with Shaw. MCFC did this with Stones.
If we were winning multiple trophies per season, I'd begin to prioritise youth development, but right now we can't win a trophy if our lives depended upon it, so trophies need to be prioritised.
Headline: Man Utd and Erik ten Hag End Dazzling Liverpool's Run, Chilling Anfield Crowd.
Sub heading: Team Rises to the Top
None of our managers bar Van Gaal even played youth players that much. I don't really see why this would be an issue. Greenwood was always going to play under any manager, no one else really has come through apart from Scott and that seems largely to be because our club forgot you can buy defensive a midfielder so there are no other options.
How many times have the fans been frustrated with our lineups in league cup or other meaningless games because we put out a team with experienced squad players rather than a young player?
When he's snapped smoking a cigarette outside a restaurant: Erik Ten Fag
When a page 3 celebrity claims she managed to bed him and leaks the story to The S*n: Erik Ten Shag
We could go on...
Erik Ten Slag?
Ten Rag
Can we let the guy get through the door at least before we start the negativity? That’d be nice
Fantastic
I feel like we were dangerously close to paying PSG to hire Poch while they went on to hire ETH.
Or Eric Shuns Galore.
Erik Ten Love Rat
What's going on? This was meant to be the universally agreed upon appointment of a manager everyone regarded as being on the up. Now I'm seeing they've struggled in all their recent games and that Ajax supporters wanted to sack him!? You can already see people saying we should never have signed him for these reasons when things turn badly, a bit like Jose.
Nothing changed. He was never getting sacked if United didn't go for him, let's be serious here.
Their level dropped but he was getting more of his squad than their normal level in the 1st half of the season, this was bound to happen sooner or later. They are still unbeaten in the league in their last 7 games.
Ajax have a goal difference of 74. Mental.
It's a risky appointment that may or may not work out, particularly in the short term. No one is a sure thing. Anyone expecting it to be smooth sailing from here on is likely to be disappointed.
Ajax's defensive record this season looks very nice/promising.
Who gives a ten feck!
While true, we seem to go in circles. If a man can unify or if people are unified in their perceptions and expectations then good. It's likely that the whole "standards have fallen" thing will be brought up once again, prematurely, or even unfair criticisms when things are going well is to be expected. One things for sure, the media loop wont stop with regards to their Man Utd tactics. It's just about what the manager can do within the club, and how the fans react to the media negativity and how one will effect the other.
Moyes did bad - SAF's fault. Van Gaal did bad - Moyes set us back. Mourinho did bad - Van Gaal's fault. Ole did bad - Mourinho set us back. Ragnick did bad - Ole set us back. Erik Ten Hag comes in... Ole set us back heavily, that's no excuse this guy isn't any better.
The only thing Ten Hag has going for him is that he has the profile of a long term manager. Van Gaal was supposed to do a longterm rebuild, in a short timeframe with blockbuster signings by Ed with a point to prove after failing Moyes. Shitshow. Mourinho was an appointment in a way of giving up on that project, by a quick fix premise based on the promise of short term success. Shitshow. Ole sort of prolonged our events with the same core players that Mourinho had and got fired pretty quickly after several failed transfer windows and signing on players instead of completing a rebuild. The top management is the one consistent thing here, and a manager can't really do much to alter this trajectory as he'll get marginalised and fired before heads begin to roll above him.
If Ten Hag works out, it has to be due to changes above him. If he doesn't work out, i refuse to believe it's because he is just so horrible. It's the trajectory we're on and it can't be changed by one man alone yo.
No. The main thing he has going for him is being an expert in coaching high press football, the most successful tactical approach of the last ten years. In retrospect none of those other managers could have finished higher than second simply because their football was outdated. That's become increasingly obvious over time to the point even our board realises it.
But to succeed we need the whole structure of the club to be in tune with that style of play. He can't do it on his own.
Being an expert helps, if that's an accurate claim but as I said he can't do it alone. Not sure him being perceived as an expert right now is something that will protect him from being judged unfairly based on lack of improvement or success within a certain timeframe? I think it's much more likely that the perception of him will change before that, and it could even be before he realistically could have done any real changes. Really, any discussable weakness is enough to create reasonable doubt, and for that to build it doesn't take much. Especially if the majority of people have the basic instinct of blaming the manager as a digestible way to explain things.
So again, the only thing he has going for him is that he has a longterm profile, so the majority of people might be more lenient with him in terms of accepting undesirable results for a longer time. Without that people wont change their expectations and any credibility he has from management could be teared down in the new climate a lot quicker than he can prove himself in it.
And to reiterate @Leftback99 's comment, it's a risky appointment because even if he gets 10 years, he MIGHT not even be the right guy. Thus me predicting comments like "Standards have dropped", because whether we like it or not any manager taking over this club need time to change anything and that's something we seemingly have a hard time of understanding. If he doesn't do anything in 3 years it might prove he is terrible, it might not have anything to do with him and more to do with Man Utd's trajectory. He might do something great in his 5th year, he might never be good enough. He will be judged within a timeframe and I predict he wont stay if he doesn't win anything within that, despite his expertise, resume or if he is actually building something great. Unless people are seeing it, or we all become very trusting towards that longterm idea without any proof it will pay off, he will see no more time in the job than other managers and leave on no better terms.
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Just like many thought when SAF left.
Maximum 2-3 years of readjusting and back to winning ways...
He is not here to give us a quick success. Even pep and klopp started slowly. Our fans have to be patient. I am happy playing in europa. Will give him good opportunity to implement his style. I hope he gets to do his stuff and not have a tiff with the board or media.
I dont think Mata is much worse than the others tbh and Cavani is alright. Lingard and Pogba should be thrown out of the door and/or window though.
Gone was his chance to become Uber Eats legend.
Am just having a wee giggle at the Dailly Mirror, here is a snippet...
First and foremost it is important that Erik shows respect to his current team, Ajax... he should be concentrating 100% on them.
I would be disappointed if Erik was on the phone to Ralf now concentrating on next season rather than finishing his current job, that would show a lack of loyalty to his employer and that's not a trait I want our manager to have.
If Chris Doyle things this is Erik snubbing Ralf, then I imagine he thinks Richarlison tried to murder Everton fans by throwing a flare into them yesterday.
First and foremost it is important that Erik shows respect to his current team, Ajax... he should be concentrating 100% on them.
I would be disappointed if Erik was on the phone to Ralf now concentrating on next season rather than finishing his current job, that would show a lack of loyalty to his employer and that's not a trait I want our manager to have.
If Chris Doyle things this is Erik snubbing Ralf, then I imagine he thinks Richarlison tried to murder Everton fans by throwing a flare into them yesterday.
Jones and Smalling was bought with (relatively) big money. SAF was always going to give them a chance.
Ferguson give them chances when there's very little risk in the result. That's not neither liberally no adventurous. I'd say he's a pragmatic in giving youth a chance. And to win titles like he did at United, that's the correct thing to do
We have to be realistic. We are most likely not winning EPL as long as Klopp and Pep are around. Plus with Newcastle getting unlimitted money, we are lucky if in 2 years we can comfortably always make top 4, since the 4th position may become what Chelsea, Arsenal and ourselves will start fighting for, not to mention Spurs.
ETH will hopefully save us from being the most inconsistent and embarrassing big club, but he is not a magician and I doubt he is Klopp or Pep level either (plus their clubs will continue to be run much better)
ETH will hopefully save us from being the most inconsistent and embarrassing big club, but he is not a magician and I doubt he is Klopp or Pep level either (plus their clubs will continue to be run much better)
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