This is diabolical.
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This is diabolical.
Wow, that's just stupid and she seems so convinced about whats shes is saying which makes it worse.
Maybe if journalists knew how to ask sensible, relevant or even well-structured questions Erik would respond differently.
But when you get the tripe they serve up...
London educated Scouse.
Wouldn't expect anything other than dogshit to leave their mouth.
. Anyone that uses discotheque has no place in football journalism.And that's before I get into her posh arrogant posturing
I don't know if EtH made biggest mistake is good career, I did for sure by watching 50+ seconds of absolute shit coming out of her mouth.
Yep I was bracing myself for this but the Brentford result was really shocking.
Before the season started I assumed we'd get a draw against Brighton, win against Brentford and loss against Pool and thought that would get the media sharpening their knives but this is just really bad.
At this point we really need a result against Pool or it's possible our players just give up like they did under Ralf.
Alyson Rudd is one of the most biased 'journalists' going, she's an embarrassment.
My god, these journalists will criticize Ten Hag if he expounds and talks to much (stop talking and show us what you can do as a coach) and when he doesn't talk much (he has no personality!) feck em'| I would not listen to that tripe
She way too clueless to be a journalist!!!
She’s the worst journalist by a million miles. Why is she even in a job?
A proper WUM if I ever see one.
Yeah, she’s an absolute weapon.
And the irony of such a blinkered gooner having a go at managers for lacking personality…
And the irony of such a blinkered gooner having a go at managers for lacking personality…
That was my take on it, 'going directly to the board' therefore ignoring the usual lines of communication. No mention of the captain being part of it. As you say it undermines the manager and also adds to the split dressing room stories if true. If these guys think their teammates aren't good enough to play with them then they should at least start performing like they're a level above, not below.
That is what fergie used to say and keane was saying last week that its one thing to have technical ability but without the correct character and temperament its hard to succeed at the top level.
Do these players have the character to play for utd ? Vast majority don't.
It took two games for some to pipe up. Sounds more like she has a bone to pick with the fact that he doesn't want to indulge her or her colleagues shite questions.
That kind of guff from Alyson Rudd is so frustrating. It's lazy, predictable, agenda-driven, condescending and just generally quite rude.
Ten Hag has barely walked through the door and he's being character assassinated.
Ten Hag has barely walked through the door and he's being character assassinated.
I actually think Manchester United have a chance of beating Liverpool. They are going to miss Mane this year big time, plus they are going into this game under tremendous pressure. This may sound crazy, but possibly under more pressure than United. Your team are just at the start of a re-build and although top-4 will be their target, really, top-10 is more likely. Liverpool on the other hand would have gone into this season expecting to be right in the mix for the league title, but if they lose on Monday they could be 7 points behind Arsenal and Man City and that is pretty much them out of it, before we've even got to September. Pressure can make people do strange things.
I'd be interested to know actually: at Old Trafford the manager is getting the players in for extra fitness work and behind the scenes they are chasing new players, but I wonder if the current squad are getting any help with the psychological side of things. If they can be encouraged to play without the whole weight of the world on their shoulders, which is what it looks like now, they may play better.
I totally agree with this.
A few things about this: I agree with what you said about the Dutch league, but I think ETH has suffered because he is working under constraints. The fact a group of players whom many people on here think are part of the problem have gone to the board to complain, tells me something: they feel pretty secure in their jobs! As volumiza says, it is totally undermining their new manager.
Why is this? Well I think there is one thing in common with Rashford, Bruno Fernades and Ronaldo and it is they have all produced good numbers (goals and assists) but in the past. Something else must have given them this 'confidence' or downright cheek, to not only go over the head of the manager, but also, I assume, leak it too, so it is known about. My guess would be this:
Rashford - he knows he is untouchable because ETH says 'he loves him' - I actually think that is the manager being pragmatic: talking up the player in the hope it can tempt PSG or someone to come in for him. Man United will certainly not want to be seen to be forcing Marcus to leave, he has an MBE! Interestingly, on MOTD on Saturday Shearer said he was convinced someone at Old Trafford had leaked the Arnautovic story, to see what the reaction (from fans) would be - and it was bad. My money would be on Rashford's team because they wouldn't want him to be replaced by, or even have to play alongside someone, with a questionable past for verbally abusing people on racial grounds.
Bruno F. - well he signed a new contract only 6 months ago so he is in a strong position, especially in these days of player power. He is also close to Ronaldo (see below).
Ronaldo - now this is the really tricky one because the player himself wanted to leave MUFC, that is common knowledge from pre-season. He wants more games and goals in the CL, to stay ahead of Lionel Messi. Unfortunately for him, there were just no takers and it looks like he is at Old Trafford for the forthcoming season. I think the manager should use him as a super-sub, but what happened when OGS tried that last year? He was criticised for it and Ronaldo was back to being one of the first names on the teamsheet. He still feels he should always be so and if you consider his record of 800+ senior goals, that is understandable, but time catches up with every player eventually.
I think there are interesting parallels between Arsenal and Man United here and let me describe a totally hypothetical scenario to illustrate my point. Imagine if once Arsene Wenger had retired he was elevated to some sort of 'consultant' or 'DOF' role at the club. He persuades one of his past players e.g. Emmanuel Adebayor (well I said hypothetical!) to come back and play for Arteta. He struggles being 38 years old, but the ties he has with Wenger means the manager is still under pressure to pick him. Furthermore, for reasons of nostalgia 'Adebayor' shirt sales are through the roof, so its not only the ex-Manager pushing for him to play, the accountants and sponsors want it too.... Would Arteta stand for that? No, he would not. So why is ETH?
Both of our clubs had amazing managers in charge for ridiculously long periods - your one had even more success than ours. Wenger struggled for the last decade & there was a clean break between him and the next manager (Emery) and Arteta is not under his influence in anyway whatsoever. But because SAF had success right up to his final season, his influence still pervades the club and he is now part of a small 'thinktank' that might be supporting Ronaldo in his power struggle with Erik Ten Hag. Now this is early days, Arsenal might have a dip & United may go on a run of wins and this post will not age well, but if you look at the league table today, well I think I have made my point.
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She is so, so dim. Hes not giving a lot of words because he doesn't want to. Saying hes distanced from the players is laughable, like she thinks she knows his trainings and his methods when working with them.
I’m struggling to think of any. Ronaldo obviously does… de Gea probably does. Varane, Bruno maybe… that’s it.
Varane had the character to play for Real, but only a maybe for United?
Doesn't make sense. Character isn't his problem. His injury record for us and general decline is the problem.
Which one of the players are in this guy's ear?
To hell with sports science. You cnuts don't wanna run the miles the day after a match? Then make sure you don't get out run.
It's as simple as that. We can talk formations/systems/tactics all we want but these players are so bad that at this point, something as rudimentary as running is what's needed.
I wonder if those same guys were stunned with Herb Brooks' methods for Team USA.
Does he even cite the coaches and scientists? If not, it's nonsensical.
Next game, ETH needs to change his formation. The 4-1-2-3 works very well if you have excellent CMs and DMs but with our attack heavy midfield (with Matic gone, we don't have any DM to play and we only have 1 CM in McTominay) its a recipe for disaster. Against a Liverpool side boasting a superior midfield, that formation is never going to work.
While its true that the players are lacking in confidence (Ole was exceptional at getting the squad to fight back in games which we are losing), ETH partly needs to take the blame for insisting on the same formation. I can understand that he wants the team to grow into his system, thus he is using the 4-1-2-3 which gives a nice balance across the entire pitch. However we don't have the proper balance in midfield, so more numbers are needed to reduce the opponent's capability to gain spaces against us. Hopefully he uses a 3-5-2 or 3-6-1 against Liverpool, until the new signings come in.
While its true that the players are lacking in confidence (Ole was exceptional at getting the squad to fight back in games which we are losing), ETH partly needs to take the blame for insisting on the same formation. I can understand that he wants the team to grow into his system, thus he is using the 4-1-2-3 which gives a nice balance across the entire pitch. However we don't have the proper balance in midfield, so more numbers are needed to reduce the opponent's capability to gain spaces against us. Hopefully he uses a 3-5-2 or 3-6-1 against Liverpool, until the new signings come in.
Ridiculous isn’t it. The Brentford players ran 13.8km more than our players that match so if they were able to run it on a hot day on Saturday, our players can add it on the next day.
Athletes on much less pay have been asked to do more running than that in worse conditions.
Really wouldn't surprise me. Just as bad is the culture of "I don't rate X player, therefore will take joy in being proven right" it's like some don't want them to do well at all even if it's at the expense of United.
Outrunned = across the aggregate, each individual player was outrun by ~1km. It does sound pretty brutal to have each one run 13k the day after a game as a result.
Probably a lot of the outrunning is a function of our higher possession too. The team that doesn't have the ball does have to work harder.
Don't read any of the media articles after we lose. They revel in spreading such articles every time we have a defeat as they know that the general online fan sentiment is negative. Its quite clear from the press conferences that they rarely get anything right.
Its really destroying the forum sentiment. There are a lot of posters who don't post because of these "fans".
Stupid people are always convinced that what they say is golden. Dunning-Kruger effect at work.
Do we have a typical or average amount run by the team with ~70% possession in PL games?
Here we go again. The poor players, mean manager narrative being rolled out in the media
Sometimes the disciplinary angle outweighs the sports science. If he created a new rule where he made them make up the difference after every single game, I'd be worried. But as a one off, I think this throws down the gauntlet to the players in a way that's needed.
I thought this too which is why I was trying to find the running stats of City Vs Bournemouth. Any idea where I can find it?
I am sorry? These guys are moaning about running? Arguably the best paid footballers in the world who couldn't be arsed to show up and compete against Brentford and have the gall to moan about running? Some of these players know what Conte does? Or perhaps they haven't heard about Atletico's 'Murder Hill' either?
Feck that. Actions have consequences. I have zero sympathy for this lot.
It's not just the forum, twitter is rife with it too. Really makes supporting the club all the more unenjoyable.
I said this would happen. They’ll blame the Liverpool loss on being tired because they had to run instead of having the day off. They’ll be some agenda driven sports scientist claim that not resting after a game lowers your chance of winning your next game by 90% to go with it also.
They won’t stop until they’re gone, these players are fighting for survival at a top club on top10% wages, something they’ll never see again in their lives.
I love the 343 personally, I think it's a really balanced system on paper and you can create all sorts of overloads in different areas. Conte at Chelsea showed this.
I wouldn't be against giving something like this a try.
Varane - Maguire - Martinez
Dalot - Eriksen - Fred - Malacia
Sancho - Ronaldo - Rashford
It could be flexible as Martinez can become a CM, going 433 if the game requires. But I do feel like the way to hurt Liverpool is out wide, we need to exploit this. You could even swap Dalot for Elanga for a bit more pace, perhaps he would be more suited to RWB, something I've thought for a while may be worth trying.
I think this explains a lot. The leaks, throwing anyone under the bus who exposes their incompetence or who holds them to account. The culture we have created by pampering some of these players is terrible.
i said varane and maybe Bruno. You read that wrong.
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