Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Adebisi's Hat said:
I think we just need to buckle in and endure the ride this season.
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I've already given up on this lot.

When we got pasted left right and centre last season there was this feeling that the players didn't bother due to them being at odds with a temporary manager. With a new manager in place to see this shameful display hits really hard tbh. I'm actual disgusted to say that I support a club which has these players.
 
BlueHaze said:
Was his first priority we would have had 2 in already before the season started not spent an entire summer going after a lad who doesn't want to come here. That 50m spent on Martinez could have gone towards a CM mate come on now. He signed Malacia and keeps playing Shaw and on top of it the clown went to the board and told them he wants Arnautovic. I'm sick of what I have seen from him so far as I thought he would be the right fit.
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The fact the club cannot close deals doesn’t mean he didnt have his priorities right
 
cyberman said:
Our squad has done this many times before we were asked to play it out from the back pre Ten Hag
Unless the reasoning is Ten Hag shouldn’t be asking Utd players to implement a style that 90 percent of EPL sides do on a regular basis?
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Not these set of players. It should have been obvious to him that these players cannot play out from the back. If he did want to implement then he should have waited till he had the players he needed to play his style.

Its not his fault, that he still hasn't gotten the players he needs. But, Its his fault for trying to implement a style which these players have no technical or physical ability to do so.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Pochettino would be eaten alive by this squad
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I don't believe that. There was a lot of red flag with ETH coming in that people choose to block because ETH was suppose to be a pep successor and he had some success in a league that the likes of De boer had. That loss to Benfica, was embarrassing yet it was barely noted in this forum. That moment, I saw a manager that will not be able to take us to the next level when he is losing to a team like that in one of their most important games.

On the other hand, Pochettino was wanted by the players, sir Alex and few notable pundits. We look at how he has transformed spurs and took psg to the semi final and went undefeated at home for a season and it is something that we crave and want at United. Someone that can bring a healthy environment, play attractive football, and bring a level of consistency at a top level. Pochettino definitely has a much better track record and less red flag that would make me see him doing much better.
 
Skills said:
But surely you realise money coming into the club isn't an infinite supply. Anything we spend now has long term implications on the clubs spending power going forward? Are you happy for us to Ten Hag and then not back the next guy?
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Of course. But who is our next guy? What’s the guarantee he will be the one worth backing? Where do you start? When do you stop?

This is why our club structure is the fundamental issue. We have no strategy. “Philosophy”, as much as I hate that word. A proper DOF should set these overarching strategies which we then find a manager who is aligned to them. And then ultimately if we have that foundational strategy, changing manager wouldn’t meant changing the whole playing staff fundamentally each time because they should all already fit the mould. Then it’s much easier to find the right guy and make tweaks to our team. The reason what you said is even an issue is because we lack everything needed at a top club to succeed, before even worrying about managers and players.

But, if this is how we are going to be run, then my original questions stand.
 
KirkDuyt said:
For all the Frank de Boer jokes, he does make the same basic mistake alot of Dutch coaches make. Wanting to implement the Dutch, build up starts at the keeper style without willing to compromise to adapt to the material you have. De Boer did it with Palace and Ten Hag is doing it here. Maguire isnt nearly as bad as he's made out to be, but his build up skills arent exactly stellar.

It's okay to hoof it from time to time Erik. Adapt or die.

Also, I fecking told you Martinez is not good enough to make up for the fact he's a midget.
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Serious question: is he good enough on the ball to play as a dm destroyer type?
 
KirkDuyt said:
For all the Frank de Boer jokes, he does make the same basic mistake alot of Dutch coaches make. Wanting to implement the Dutch, build up starts at the keeper style without willing to compromise to adapt to the material you have. De Boer did it with Palace and Ten Hag is doing it here. Maguire isnt nearly as bad as he's made out to be, but his build up skills arent exactly stellar.

It's okay to hoof it from time to time Erik. Adapt or die.

Also, I fecking told you Martinez is not good enough to make up for the fact he's a midget.
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You're correct and was from the start on ETH to be fair.
 
Said in a thread last week, knwo little of Ten Hag but cant bleive people think he has a cope of guiding this bunch of players to top four and that the pitiful window, fans will turn on him in months. Got slaughtered for that and oh he will improve many of these players, takes time, can only sell so many blah blah blah blah blah.

1.5games in and see many are turning on him here already and slating the signings as well.

Personally like Matinez and think he was the only one able to read runners, movement an dpassing of Brentforn in the first half.

The simple fact is Dalot simply cant defend, Bissaka should be in ahead of him.

Maguires intelligence and anticipation of movement of the opposition runs is dreadful, often in no mans land. Also he is a weakness with the ball, give him the ball...he stands still with it nearly every time, and his rang eo fpassing isnt good either, has to be replaced in the starting eleven

Fred, great energy and work rate. But he cant defend and he is woefully inconsistent on the ball, simply not good enough.

Eriksen s the signing I just dont get. Good player, but 30 and really he is competition for Fernandes, he doesnt solve anything in the first eleven....yeha he was free....so was frickin Kamara at Villa who is eight years younger and fits a role we needed. Brentford have signed a top young player in Damsgaard for £17m who would have been a good right wing option for us, Eriksen solves little

Sancho is in effective on the right, so we need a right sided player....and RAshford should and still should be sold

Fernandes should never have bene given a new contract, he has beedn dreadful for a long time now


As for Ten Hag, he has a way he wants to play tactically etc etc....most of these players are not intelligent enough to adapt to that, they never were. He is better of using some of the youngsters we have, genuinely believe that.

We still need two central midfielders, a right winger and a striker THIS window, and three other positions too furtherr down the line.

Yet here wer eare with likes of Rabiot, Arnautovic etc etc....utter shambles and its genuinely no surprise to me we are getting battered with our lack of recruitment and not atually signing players in the positions needed, amazingly 2 of our 3 signings have been made arguably in positions that least needed upgrading short term....ridiculous
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He's underestimated the league. When you're Ajax and a lot better than the opposition you can do experiments like playing Eriksen as a 6 when he isn't that kind of player. Players are simply going to target a short CB like Martinez all season long. He needs to go to 5 at the back going forward I think.

Fair to say that players have been shit too.
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I agree overall, but I actually don't think playing Eriksen in that position is a big mistake given the options available to him. He would have been slaughtered if he had played McFred as well. His options are crap and he tried something new after the shit show against Brighton.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He's underestimated the league. When you're Ajax and a lot better than the opposition you can do experiments like playing Eriksen as a 6 when he isn't that kind of player. Players are simply going to target a short CB like Martinez all season long. He needs to go to 5 at the back going forward I think.

Fair to say that players have been shit too.
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5 at the back or he moves to left back where Arsenal were intending to play him. Oh but we bought another left back who is even shorter. Unbelievable really.

The lineup today was so predictably going to get bullied, I could see it but worrying that the new manager couldn't.
 
You should collect amateurs from this forum and train us for 2-3 months and we should not be losing 4:0 to newly promoted team. ETH is already a failure and you just don't recover from this. How a manager starts is crucial. This is awful. This means players didn't buy his vision. Sure our players are terrible but ETH apparently was a mistake.

I just don't understand what the feck is wrong with us. We play as if players never practiced together, we play with no pride, we play with no passion. Wtf is so wrong with us that both players and managers who come to this team turn into absolute garbage.

I am so sad Pogba got hurt as I wanted to see how he would play this year. Would he resurrect or would he continue to be sh1t.
 
Keane's Prawn Sandwich said:
Constantly injured Varane who is on his own individual training program? What does he do to prevent the De Gea mistake or the Eriksen one? Fair enough the corner but nothing else.

For the four in midfield in your example who do you play there to solve the constant lost balls and zero creativity?
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Varane isn't currently injured though ? He's on the freaking bench, why shouldn't we use him when he's available at least ?

Yes De Gea made a mistake in the first goal but we're losing 4-0 not 1-0.

Playing with 3 defenders where one of them can support the defense will be ultimately better than leaving 2 slow defenders exposed without any midfield cover. Throw on Shaw and Dalot as wing backs and that midfield combo he wants to use (Fred-Eriksen), alongside Ronaldo, Rashford and Sancho upfront. This lineup won't win the league but it looks more balanced than the shit show we're putting on currently with that defense and midfield combo.
 
bleedred said:
Not these set of players. It should have been obvious to him that these players cannot play out from the back. If he did want to implement then he should have waited till he had the players he needed to play his style.

Its not his fault, that he still hasn't gotten the players he needs. But, Its his fault for trying to implement a style which these players have no technical or physical ability to do so.
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So what’s your solution? Find a manager which keeps us playing archaic, inferior football because we get better results but without doubt continue to win nothing?

Or, just maybe, we should for once hold firm that our way of playing must develop. And forget about results today, next week, or even this year, and put the time and effort it takes to rebuild this whole abomination to get to a competitive modern position?
 
Looks like we are in for another 5 0 drubbing by the Scousers next week. If that happens, then get rid of him and give Poch a go. I'm deadly serious.
 
Hopefully he’s thick skinned enough to come through this. He seems confident enough which is good, but the squad needs gutting. A significant rot had set in.
 
People are blaming ETH ? It's a weekend , get a beer and enjoy the night.

Basically feck off.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He's underestimated the league. When you're Ajax and a lot better than the opposition you can do experiments like playing Eriksen as a 6 when he isn't that kind of player. Players are simply going to target a short CB like Martinez all season long. He needs to go to 5 at the back going forward I think.

Fair to say that players have been shit too.
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He overestimated the United squad. His Ajax teams wouldn't have struggled against Brighton and Brentford. But those Ajax squads was purposefully built for his style. This United squad very much not
 
ETH has to make the tough calls. We have some combinations in this team should never play together.
Being a silky or smooth looking player doesn’t warrant games. Football is a game of applied and applying pressure, what the players does under pressure is what guarantees them a game.
 
Pickle85 said:
Serious question: is he good enough on the ball to play as a dm destroyer type?
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Martinez was great at Ajax, because they generally dont get into physical battles to begin with and if they do domestically Martinez' tenacity is enough to bully the lightweights in our league. His footballing ability is very good, also good enough for the premier league, but not good enough to negate his size I suspect. He's no Kante.
 
We spent the summer saying "things might get worse before they get better" and "give ETH time".

We are 1 and a half games in (yes terrible performances) and people are calling him De Boar and saying he needs to go :lol:
 
bleedred said:
Not these set of players. It should have been obvious to him that these players cannot play out from the back. If he did want to implement then he should have waited till he had the players he needed to play his style.

Its not his fault, that he still hasn't gotten the players he needs. But, Its his fault for trying to implement a style which these players have no technical or physical ability to do so.
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Lesser sets of players are doing this the entire way down the league. It’s an attitude problem imo. The players aren’t just being ineffective but it’s calamitous. That’s what swings it for me. If we just just bad at it then far enough but it’s literally schoolboy stuff
 
spiriticon said:
I am getting this sinking feeling that he hasn't watched us much last season.
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Even if he did, wathcing on TV is so much different to watching us live. Which is why he should've listened to RR. But he didnt. His 1st major feck up.

Then he signs a midget CB. Then he goes after Arnatovic ffs.
 
baffled how rashford survives the halftime substitution. garnacho shall be brought in for him. rashford just lacks energy
 
OverratedOpinion said:
We spent the summer saying "things might get worse before they get better" and "give ETH time".

We are 1 and a half games in (yes terrible performances) and people are calling him De Boar and saying he needs to go :lol:
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He's fecked up twice tactically in 2 games.
 
The club is absolutely finished

Owners taking money out, not backing a new manager

Recruitment team are fecking clueless

Players from years past have failed time and time again

10 years of shite and getting worse.
 
Stop overreacting with "De Boer vibes", "ETH is already a failure" or other nonsense. It's his 2nd game in charge and he inherited a completely broken team. We have been a laughing stock for 10 years now, did you expect him to come here and magically fix it immediately? IF he manages to achieve something here (and of course there are no guarantees that he will), it will take quite some time to see progress.
 
Mike Smalling said:
I agree overall, but I actually don't think playing Eriksen in that position is a big mistake given the options available to him. He would have been slaughtered if he had played McFred as well. His options are crap and he tried something new after the shit show against Brighton.
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It has been a big mistake though. Eriksen has been majorly at fault for two goals because he doesn't really have that appreciation of what's around him when receiving the ball in that position. It's a very hard position to play as you have to be really aware of what's around you and be brave.
 
This game was the coach . All his fault. Too early to cLl him a fraud but ……
 
bond19821982 said:
People are blaming ETH ? It's a weekend , get a beer and enjoy the night.

Basically feck off.
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You just can't see benching Varane for Maguire, playing without a midfield and then go on to say nothing is on the manager.
 
Man-United said:
You're correct and was from the start on ETH to be fair.
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To be fair, I dont think Ten Hag is a bad coach. I mostly kept hammering on the fact he's an awkward numpty.

His problem is his typical Dutch stubborness. Probably multiplied by working under Pep mind you.

Ten Hag would be great with City's team, but seems unable to adapt to a more physical, less technically gifted team like current United.
 
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