Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

[stevoc]

We were not easy on eye last season, but I really think with two CB, one DM, RW and ST we'll be so much better.

If we get rid now who we going to get? Poch, Southgate.

Available players really wasn't the issue, we were so awful to watch because of the setup we were using.

The best coach that fits with the style Ineos want to implement going forward.

 

[stevoc]

Anytime before the next FA Cup Final......technically.

Well any point in the future is still technically after the 2024 Cup final.

 

[stevoc]

We all know that we never purchase players we actually needed, how long have we needed a DM

Or we buy Sancho (€75) for the right wing, then he's like I prefer to play on left wing

Or even buying Telles (€16) apparently a great left footed Crosser of the ball, but a forward who drops deep and the other (Rashford) who jumps for high balls like a 11 year on a skipping rope

Or buying Maguire (€80) who everyone knows has a slow turning speed and is a six yard box player for counter attacking teams

Posters bang on about the flavour of the month, like Neves. Yet they have never watched him play or understand the position he actually plays is the same as Mainoo's drifted positioning.

Think what I'm trying to say.
We've had years of players for different systems, we've over paid and held on the ones we didn't need because they are assets.

I think Sancho prefers to play on the right.

 

[stevoc]

Silence is an option. It shows EtH position was never in question in the first place and it was all media speculation which was ignored. Absolutely no need to release statements that we have actually decided to keep EtH - it will add fuel to the fire and would show it was in question.

The journos have gone from 100% sacked, to review next week finishing soon, to barely making comments about it. A complete back down.

And to be quiet honest, the only frenzy I see about this is on this forum anyway.

But it obviously was and still is.

 

[Red00012]

Then why haven’t they killed the speculation?

Why would they ? He has a contract for 12 months ? It’s the media that are spreading rubbish for all we know and there’s no plan to sack him

 

[DJ_21]

Available players really wasn't the issue, we were so awful to watch because of the setup we were using.

The best coach that fits with the style Ineos want to implement going forward.

I actually don’t think we’d have done any better with any other manager last season. If we had Poch we’d have probably lost the FA cup final. Like he bottles all finals.

 

[Rista]

I actually don’t think we’d have done any better with any other manager last season. If we had Poch we’d have probably lost the FA cup final. Like he bottles all finals.

We'd have done better with any manager who wouldn't persists with stupid tactics that do not work with the players he has.

 

[Red00012]

We all know that we never purchase players we actually needed, how long have we needed a DM

Or we buy Sancho (€75) for the right wing, then he's like I prefer to play on left wing

Or even buying Telles (€16) apparently a great left footed Crosser of the ball, but a forward who drops deep and the other (Rashford) who jumps for high balls like a 11 year on a skipping rope

Or buying Maguire (€80) who everyone knows has a slow turning speed and is a six yard box player for counter attacking teams

Posters bang on about the flavour of the month, like Neves. Yet they have never watched him play or understand the position he actually plays is the same as Mainoo's drifted positioning.

Think what I'm trying to say.
We've had years of players for different systems, we've over paid and held on the ones we didn't need because they are assets.

Agree on the Neves thing I reckon 90% of the Caf have never seen him play , just seen some clips on social media . I personally haven’t either so have no idea what he would bring but I see we’ve bid £51 million which was rejected. Have you seen him play ?

 

[FortunaUtd]

Everyones "known" it because they all listened to the same journos who started out with a review was happening pre end of the season. To then he is 100% sacked. McKenna is likely out next manager. To then actually the review is happening post fa cup. To then actually they are still deciding. To then coming up with any excuse why a review will still be happening.

If you can't see that the journos know f all about the situation and are just backtracking whilst making stories for clicks, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

The club don't need to respond to media bs and a redcafe frenzy. They have done their review, in fact EtH said as much, but everyone prefers to listen to the journos they complain know f all any other time but are happy to believe as gospel when it suits.

It's not because of journalists that we know Ten Hag's position is uncertain. It is because of what happened last season. If a manager delivers a shit show like Ten Hag did and there is no public backing from the club, he is obviously in serious trouble.

 

[astracrazy]

But it obviously was and still is.

Says who though?

It's not because of journalists that we know Ten Hag's position is uncertain. It is because of what happened last season. If a manager delivers a shit show like Ten Hag did and there is no public backing from the club, he is obviously in serious trouble.

Well it is, the rest is pure speculation. In fact its ignoring any previous comments that have come from SJR.

 

[FortunaUtd]

Says who though?

The human brain?

 

[Wumminator]

It's not because of journalists that we know Ten Hag's position is uncertain. It is because of what happened last season. If a manager delivers a shit show like Ten Hag did and there is no public backing from the club, he is obviously in serious trouble.

Can you tell me when a manager has ever received public backing from the club?

I can’t remember it.

 

[DJ_21]

We'd have done better with any manager who wouldn't persists with stupid tactics that do not work with the players he has.

We may have finished a few places higher but the squad still isn’t good enough and their was at least 5 teams who would have finished above us even if we was a bit better.

 

[Wumminator]

Silence is an option. It shows EtH position was never in question in the first place and it was all media speculation which was ignored. Absolutely no need to release statements that we have actually decided to keep EtH - it will add fuel to the fire and would show it was in question.

The journos have gone from 100% sacked, to review next week finishing soon, to barely making comments about it. A complete back down.

And to be quiet honest, the only frenzy I see about this is on this forum anyway.

Yep. Pretty much how I see it.

 

[M16Red]

I think Sancho prefers to play on the right.

From the MU Web site.
Which do you prefer, midfield or in attack? Allan M, Kenya
“Attack. [On which side?] I don’t mind, as long as I’m playing.”

Anyway... you get what I mean, he is not a 75 million pound player.

This is from four years ago. We've needed direct wingers for years.

My favourite at the moment is Moussa Diaby for that RW spot if Sancho is not achievable

He reminds me of another player who plays in red and is a very powerful runner and explosive

I know Sancho is a very good footballer, to pair him with Wan-Bissaka on that right wasn't a clever idea because Sancho needs players around him who are dynamic.

 

[astracrazy]

The human brain?

Is that the best you have?

 

[P-Nut]

Ten Hag said he was going on holiday for 2 weeks, that means he'll likely be back to work on Monday. If anything is to be announced I'd expect it around then.

 

[Bondi77]

Well any point in the future is still technically after the 2024 Cup final.

Journos and pundits are more intelligent than they are given credit for.

 

[FortunaUtd]

Is that the best you have?

You are actually trying to claim our manager delivers the worst league season in decades, larded with one horrible performance after another, and his job is not in question with the new ambitious owners that have just come in and are looking to make changes at the club at every level?

Yeah, a functioning brain is the best I have.

 

[GBBQ]

Everyones "known" it because they all listened to the same journos who started out with a review was happening pre end of the season. To then he is 100% sacked. McKenna is likely out next manager. To then actually the review is happening post fa cup. To then actually they are still deciding. To then coming up with any excuse why a review will still be happening.

If you can't see that the journos know f all about the situation and are just backtracking whilst making stories for clicks, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

The club don't need to respond to media bs and a redcafe frenzy. They have done their review, in fact EtH said as much, but everyone prefers to listen to the journos they complain know f all any other time but are happy to believe as gospel when it suits.

I think given the amount of media speculation and even Lineker and Shearer probing ETH about his position after the cup win, silence isn’t really an option if you are 100% committed to the manager. Given the arrival of INEOS and the changing of the footballing structure it would be even more appropriate to give the vote of confidence publically.

And of course his position is under review. He didn’t deliver Champions League and had our worst Premier League finish ever with a negative goal difference. Even if they stick with him he will absolutely scrutinised and rightly so.

 

[Rake]

Everyones "known" it because they all listened to the same journos who started out with a review was happening pre end of the season. To then he is 100% sacked. McKenna is likely out next manager. To then actually the review is happening post fa cup. To then actually they are still deciding. To then coming up with any excuse why a review will still be happening.

If you can't see that the journos know f all about the situation and are just backtracking whilst making stories for clicks, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

The club don't need to respond to media bs and a redcafe frenzy. They have done their review, in fact EtH said as much, but everyone prefers to listen to the journos they complain know f all any other time but are happy to believe as gospel when it suits.

Nobody reliable has ever said that EtH was sacked or that McKenna is the new manager. Let's not fabricate things. If people listen to some random twitter guys and pass their word as gospel, that is a whole another matter.

But what many reliable journos have confirmed is that we are evaluating EtH's position and considering alternatives.

The club absolutely needs to address this at least once., especially if he is staying A simple statement that they 'support the manager and are continuing forward with him next season and will no longer entertain questions regarding that' will be sufficient. It is likelier that a decision has not been made rather than the club deciding they don't have to say anything.

 

[pocco]

Because my post was about an article that was printed in a respected newspaper that stated Erik would be sacked straight after the Final regardless of the result and that was not true.
I have not stated anything on whether I think he should stay or not.
Read the posts properly mate before you reply to them.

Maybe I misunderstood your last post, I thought you were being sarcastic. But the first post I replied to of yours makes it sound like you think it's all made up, the review etc. I was just pointing out how we've proof that even Ten Hag doesn't know his future and why it would be wise to at least brief something to a journalist or two to put the record straight. Why they wouldn't do that any any of the possible outcomes, I don't know. If it was business as usual, as you put it, why not just kill all this and show some support for him?

 

[Keyser]

I see this 'reputable journalist' line being rolled out a lot

There is no such thing

There were a couple of journalists who seemed to have an inside line into the goings on at Utd but who knows if that remains the case

All journalists given the option of printing nothing or throwing some shit against the wall to see if something sticks will choose the latter option

I think too much is being put against this review process too, every club will have an end of season review, we and they have no idea from what basis this is being viewed

 

[astracrazy]

You are actually trying to claim our manager delivers the worst league season in decades, larded with one horrible performance after another, and his job is not in question with the new ambitious owners that have just come in and are looking to make changes at the club at every level?

Yeah, a functioning brain is the best I have.

Well perhaps engage yours, I never said that. I even said EtH himself had said a review has happened.

You or anyone else have any idea what discussions have been had.

The rest is just media speculation. If any of the journos actually knew he was going to be sacked then some of them would still be standing on that hill now. They're not. Tells you all you need to know.

 

[M16Red]

Agree on the Neves thing I reckon 90% of the Caf have never seen him play , just seen some clips on social media . I personally haven’t either so have no idea what he would bring but I see we’ve bid £51 million which was rejected. Have you seen him play ?

Yeah for Portugal unders, he was playing like a 8 on the right side. Very neat player.

I was looking out for him alot but Tiago Santos was just everywhere as was Martim Neto

But the EPL could be a very difficult learning curve for him - people will say but Silva's x2 they are forwards with minimal need for getting stuck in.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

I see this 'reputable journalist' line being rolled out a lot

There is no such thing

There were a couple of journalists who seemed to have an inside line into the goings on at Utd but who knows if that remains the case

All journalists given the option of printing nothing or throwing some shit against the wall to see if something sticks will choose the latter option

I think too much is being put against this review process too, every club will have an end of season review, we and they have no idea from what basis this is being viewed

The most reputable probably have little or nothing to say on it.

Part of the circus that surrounds United is the media frenzy for stories. Sancho , Grealish and Anthony. All having similar seasons from goals/assists Point of view albeit Anthony actually offers a lot more defensively. Sancho playing in a lower league with Dortmund, Grealish with the best team in the world. Who has got the the most flack for their performance?

When you are at United , not taking seasons off to find yourself (or at a different club) like Sancho , you get crucified disproportionately because writing a story about United is easy money for a journalist.

I’m really not as bothered about how long this is taking and notice fiends who support other teams getting quite animated about it. Switching it around, I wouldn’t give two sh*ts if Pool or city or anybody else was going through this sort of process.

It’s weird it’s taking this long but there isn’t really anything other then that to talk about on it yet these pages and pages of guess chat for the last few weeks with people getting themselves wound up and convinced that he’s gone, he’s staying , INEOs are uselsss etc, with absolutely no idea what is actually going on.

In the absence of actual news , fiction and made up drama can be fun.

 

[sunama]

You are actually trying to claim our manager delivers the worst league season in decades, larded with one horrible performance after another, and his job is not in question with the new ambitious owners that have just come in and are looking to make changes at the club at every level?

Yeah, a functioning brain is the best I have.

Good answer!

 

[MadDogg]

I actually don’t think we’d have done any better with any other manager last season. If we had Poch we’d have probably lost the FA cup final. Like he bottles all finals.

Sure, the FA Cup is something that ETH can point to and there is a decent chance we wouldn't have won it under someone else. But other than probably Southgate, I would expect any of the other managers we were linked to to do better in the league and CL. The injuries were bad, but they were the secondary cause to how incredibly bad we were. The tactics were the primary cause, as seen by the fact that we still looked terrible when we didn't have many injuries, and also by the fact that we started looking better in the last few games of the season when we changed tactics even though our injuries at that point were even worse than they had been at any other point of the season.

I guess some would say that finishing 8th in the league, last in the CL group and winning the FA Cup is better than (for example) finishing 5th, getting to the round of 16 in the CL and losing the FA Cup final since the former does actually get us a trophy. But I think that ignores just how unbelievably bad we actually were all season. Realistically we were extremely lucky to finish as highly as 8th; based on our actual performances over the season we probably should have finished 12th at highest (and most stats indicate that 15th would have been the most suitable spot). We can count on one hand how many games we had that we genuinely played well, with fingers left over.

 

[Roane]

The media have been pushing a narrative that has not been confirmed or realized, yet.

The club have always said the issue is wider than the manager and EtH has said no one has said anything to him, when questioned.

So maybe the club have not said anything because there is nothing to say?

 

[RORY65]

The media have been pushing a narrative that has not been confirmed or realized, yet.

The club have always said the issue is wider than the manager and EtH has said no one has said anything to him, when questioned.

So maybe the club have not said anything because there is nothing to say?

They can't just let the speculation drag on if they've made a decision given how intense the speculation has been. If he is staying then they don't need to announce it publicly, unless they give him a contract extension which is possible, but they could easily get the message out through a couple of friendly journalists. The stories of them meeting other managers and then the review are coming from somewhere, not necessarily from people within the club, and so it wouldn't take doing anything officially for the word to get out that he's staying.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

I refuse to believe that INEOS could sit and watch England struggle against Iceland and think, yeah, we fancy some of that! That’ll get United back to the top.

 

[saivet]

Everyones "known" it because they all listened to the same journos who started out with a review was happening pre end of the season. To then he is 100% sacked. McKenna is likely out next manager. To then actually the review is happening post fa cup. To then actually they are still deciding. To then coming up with any excuse why a review will still be happening.

If you can't see that the journos know f all about the situation and are just backtracking whilst making stories for clicks, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

The club don't need to respond to media bs and a redcafe frenzy. They have done their review, in fact EtH said as much, but everyone prefers to listen to the journos they complain know f all any other time but are happy to believe as gospel when it suits.

I'm pretty sure there was wide reporting that we were going to have an end of season review. Even the BBC had an article stating that they were reviewing his position. The way journalism works, we know that this information was coming directly from the club.

The reports that he would definitely be sacked came from The Guardian (and possibly The Sun). There was not a general consensus or message from the media that he was definitely going to be sacked. It was just a huge story.

 

[Infra-red]

I refuse to believe that INEOS could sit and watch England struggle against Iceland and think, yeah, we fancy some of that! That’ll get United back to the top.

I doubt that Brailsford or Ashworth watch England very much at all if they think that Southgate is the answer - he has been the England team's biggest problem for years (although the appalling state of the defence might be more of an issue this summmer).

 

[hobbers]

Why would they ? He has a contract for 12 months ? It’s the media that are spreading rubbish for all we know and there’s no plan to sack him

How can you be this naive.

 

[GaryLifo]

Ten hag out brigade suffering the tyranny of the majority in the poll. Maybe they should take Niall to court to break the cartel which is conspiring to keep Ten Hag in post?

 

[astracrazy]

How can you be this naive.

How can you? Show me the last time a board came out and backed a manager?

He has 12 months left on his contract with a one year option. The default is he is staying. Not sure why some think they need the board to explain that to them.

 

[Bondi77]

Maybe I misunderstood your last post, I thought you were being sarcastic. But the first post I replied to of yours makes it sound like you think it's all made up, the review etc. I was just pointing out how we've proof that even Ten Hag doesn't know his future and why it would be wise to at least brief something to a journalist or two to put the record straight. Why they wouldn't do that any any of the possible outcomes, I don't know. If it was business as usual, as you put it, why not just kill all this and show some support for him?

I stated at the time that if Erik was going to be sacked after the game then the club must already have the new manager briefed and ready to go but the same article stated that we were still looking at about six candidates so I called the article bullshit which I still think it was, just a big headline grabber on the big day and that was exactly what it was.
Maybe he will be sacked but the fact is that he still has another year left on his contract and the club should not have to publicly reaffirm their support for their manager everytime something pops up in the media.

 

[hobbers]

How can you? Show me the last time a board came out and backed a manager?

He has 12 months left on his contract with a one year option. The default is he is staying. Not sure why some think they need the board to explain that to them.

Obviously not the last but https://www.skysports.com/football/...nager-as-owner-evangelos-marinakis-backs-boss

You must be incredibly ignorant about how the world works to think United could just let the status quo run on. After briefing multiple times that they're still reviewing the season, after briefing that they would leave major decisions like who the manager is until after the season had ended. After it comes out that we've been speaking to half a dozen different managers. Ten Hag's side briefing that he still doesn't know if he has a job to go back to.

And if this head in sand notion is because you're a Ten Hag disciple, you really shouldnt be happy at the idea of going into the season with radio silence. Because that will mean every player will be expecting him to get sacked the second we lose a couple of games, and means we wont be able to make any decent signings because prospective players wont like uncertainty in this manager position

 

[Xaviboy]

So either way if Ten Hag stays he isnt in the picture for long term for INEOS plans.

If true they have been speaking to other candidates for the job they don't trust Ten Hag.

I wonder if the other candidates are looking at INEOS plans to see does it fit their own ambitions.

Maybe Ten Hag isn't buying in to INEOS ways and few disagreements have been said over last couple of months.

They want control of football matters so maybe what they want is not what Ten Hag wants.

 

[Redstain]

Everyones "known" it because they all listened to the same journos who started out with a review was happening pre end of the season. To then he is 100% sacked. McKenna is likely out next manager. To then actually the review is happening post fa cup. To then actually they are still deciding. To then coming up with any excuse why a review will still be happening.

If you can't see that the journos know f all about the situation and are just backtracking whilst making stories for clicks, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

The club don't need to respond to media bs and a redcafe frenzy. They have done their review, in fact EtH said as much, but everyone prefers to listen to the journos they complain know f all any other time but are happy to believe as gospel when it suits.

Erik said himself in a interview during the FA cup final he doesn't know if he's in the job next season.

Silence is not a show of support, it's the opposite there's no clarity behind the club's intentions and how the manager aligns with them.

No one in the hierarchy for almost 4 months has unequivocally came out and said through a statement or quote that Erik is the manager for the foreseeable future. The Ratcliffe interview in hindsight was a deflection when asked if he backed the manager changed the narrative to structure when it had no correlation with the direct question.