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Do you think the person/people who posted it have any idea whether United are going to sack their manager or not?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Do you think the person/people who posted it have any idea whether United are going to sack their manager or not?
You would expect so as they are the ones handling the clubs public image.
Yea, I think he's staying. Pretty sure it would have been done by now if he was leaving.
Personally I think it's the wrong choice but really hope I'm wrong and he can pull something out of the bag.
Personally I think it's the wrong choice but really hope I'm wrong and he can pull something out of the bag.
To those drawing lines wto Arteta and Klopp.
Becoming 8th in your second season doesn't make you Arteta or Klopp.
Trying to make having a terrible second season a good thing by drawing parallells to Arteta/Klopp is desperate at best and it doen't make sense.
ETH hasn't left his fingerprint on the way we play or want to play and it's impossible to see on the pitch what he is trying to do in a positive way. The last 12 months he's only taken us down, down, down.... Our play has been horrendous, nothing short of it. His ingame tactics and subs has been among the worst I've ever seen. His transfers has been from ok to terrible. He lacks charisma. There is no such thing as being unlucky with injuries, especially muscullar and stress injuries, that is down to training regime. His man management seems to me to be really bad.
With Arteta and Klopp you could see on the pitch what they were trying to build, you could immediately see the managers fingerprint on the pitch. Not the case with ETH at Man United.
What is he building? I just can't see it. If it is an Eredivisie team, then I can see it.
Becoming 8th in your second season doesn't make you Arteta or Klopp.
Trying to make having a terrible second season a good thing by drawing parallells to Arteta/Klopp is desperate at best and it doen't make sense.
ETH hasn't left his fingerprint on the way we play or want to play and it's impossible to see on the pitch what he is trying to do in a positive way. The last 12 months he's only taken us down, down, down.... Our play has been horrendous, nothing short of it. His ingame tactics and subs has been among the worst I've ever seen. His transfers has been from ok to terrible. He lacks charisma. There is no such thing as being unlucky with injuries, especially muscullar and stress injuries, that is down to training regime. His man management seems to me to be really bad.
With Arteta and Klopp you could see on the pitch what they were trying to build, you could immediately see the managers fingerprint on the pitch. Not the case with ETH at Man United.
What is he building? I just can't see it. If it is an Eredivisie team, then I can see it.
They've known for weeks, the only reason the announcement is delayed is because they're having so much fun reading this thread.
Most of united fans came back to their senses and want him to stay, everybody is sick of the managerial rollercoaster, the manager deserves to work in the right setup.
I think it's more that being a former player of the club doesn't really add much. If they're competent they'll perform like any competent manager who isn't a former player, if they're bad they'll perform like any bad manager who isn't a former player, etc.
What? Barcelona literally won the league title under Xavi in 22/23 what you on about?
Unless you are Zizou, in which case logic no longer matters.
I was wrong. I hold my hands up, my brain did that thing where it produced a false memory, and I was too lazy to check. I will do better.
Agreed. Saying it doesn't work is the same as me saying hiring proven managers doesnt work because Manutd didn't do much when they hired LVG or Jose.
There are various reasons former players are hired. Ole was hired as interim and people got carried away. Xavi hired because he had a spell in Qatar and the president of Barca really rated him. Arteta was hired because he was very highly rated.
Pirlo was the only one that got hired because he was a former player at Juve without much credentials.
The players won the trophy too and for many of them their future is uncertain as well. We should really stop being so attached to managers and stop being obsessed with "showing class". Nobody who had anything to do with updating the honours board knows anything about the manager situation.
What is more important to you? That United "shows class" or that United wins stuff? I'm really curious now.
Both. They're not mutually exclusive.
How do you know?
Thanks. That explains your position a bit better.
In a way he does, but what if it doesn't work, is he the wrong manager or are people going to blame the setup even though it is a new setup.
Surely we can win stuff with class. That would be the ideal scenario.
Check out Columbo over here.
True, but I wouldn't rate those two things on the same level. If there either can be a ruthless way to get something done to get more successful, or a classy way that might endanger success (like keeping a manager to long just because wanting to get the sacking "right"/"classy"), I would always want my club to act ruthless. But it's a fair opinion to shift that balance other than I would, it just makes it better understandable what someone like @The holy trinity 68 writes when you know there is a difference in this basic question.
We won it. The club. There's nothing disrespectful about it at all. They are just telling us that they have updated the honours board. Nothing to get rattled about.
We didn't win it, manager won it. The fecking players let him down but he still won it. It is his trophy and his only.
It's not difficult for Ineos to bring ETH in for a meeting, thank him for his efforts, let him go with dignity then have their PR people comms it out.
I reckon they expected him to lose the cup final and were ready to press the eject button, but beating Shitty - with a hard working performance - has made the timing harder. I don't know where ETH is on hols or how long for, but if they push him out the door without meeting him face to face then that's totally out of order. He needs to go, that one performance cannot be allowed to paper over the cracks of a season full of record-breaking lows, but they must do it the right way.
I reckon they expected him to lose the cup final and were ready to press the eject button, but beating Shitty - with a hard working performance - has made the timing harder. I don't know where ETH is on hols or how long for, but if they push him out the door without meeting him face to face then that's totally out of order. He needs to go, that one performance cannot be allowed to paper over the cracks of a season full of record-breaking lows, but they must do it the right way.
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Some people love reading too much into things.
Wow, really!!
INEOS, heroes to villains in less than six months. At this rate the Glazers will be back in charge of football before the season starts.
Wow, really!!
INEOS, heroes to villains in less than six months. At this rate the Glazers will be back in charge of football before the season starts.
They should rightly be criticised for this it’s becoming a mess. It was 2 weeks since the story broke of ETH getting fired regardless of the FA cup result yet here we are
Wow, really!!
INEOS, heroes to villains in less than six months. At this rate the Glazers will be back in charge of football before the season starts.
Yes it is a mess.
INEOS had 6 months to review Ten Hag, then they wanted to review it after the FA cup final.
Why does it take this long to review a managers position? I mean its clearly an issue considering SJR has avoided talking about the manager or even acknowledging him.
Even owners that sack managers at least acknowledge the manager that won them the trophy.
I forced myself to watch the games at times this season, but I still believe that we should stick with ETH. There isn't a miracle worker who can turn us around in a season. You can have good spells that paint over the cracks in the club's current state, but sooner or later, these cracks will show again, and you'll find yourself asking the same questions.
My biggest hope lies with INEOS, that they make the right decisions and bring the club back on track. If they decide to change the coaching setup, that's fine with me, but I really believe ETH is a good coach with the right principles.
If his man management is too strict for some of the players, perfect, because I am sick of some of the crybabies we have in our current squad (if you believe the leaks)
Some of you are really clinging to absolutely nothing.
It will happen when it happens. The Euros starts next week. This is a nice period in which Man Utd can't let you down with a disappointing performance or result - just enjoy the summer.
It will happen when it happens. The Euros starts next week. This is a nice period in which Man Utd can't let you down with a disappointing performance or result - just enjoy the summer.
Sorry cannot agree... the season was the worst in the PL true, (but not the worst ever) we were missing some of our best defenders for virtually all the season, this affected the whole team especially it just showed up the weakness in midfield. The manager struggled to retain his approach, but in the end changed the play book, we won the FA cup and are back in Europe.
INEOS does not have it's new management team in place as yet, the manager has only one more year to run on his contract, the ridiculousness of firing him after the FA cup win in such circumstances, is obvious.
The club, rightly, has not commented on any of these matters (so half our fans get their knickers in a twist), probably because of the obvious. It's going to take time to restore the club on and off the pitch to the levels in attained the 90's and the 00's, we all know that, its no secret and no mess either.
When the club has something to say, it will say it, no doubts.
Just because a story broke in the media doesn’t make it true though does it. I pay zero attention nowadays because the media focus on United because they know it sells. Sometimes to the point of making shit up because there’s nothing else to talk about.
True but it was a huge story that wasn’t denied to the point of the question was being asked of the manager multiple times on live TV. Again it’s been weeks if it was bollocks they could have released a statement or even let the press know off the record
Great post this.
People who think oh change manager and it will be sorted are deluded. Its so evident what has been happening at this club, sack manager, get a good start with new manager, cracks open up again.
We end up playing similar football at the end of every managers reign and we get comments like "worst football ever" I am sure I read those at the end of Jose's tenure, Oles tenure and now under Ten Hag. We are asking the same question every 2 years.
Most fans say, change the manager, it will sort it.
There's this girl that I like who picks her kid up at the school. When I see her there, my stomach gets queasy, my heart pumps and my palms sweat. But when I think about things with pure logic and try to ignore natural sexual desires, she's just another human who probably has hairs near her anus and has turd floating around in her rectum while I'm looking at her and shaking with excitement. When I think with logic about the way humans behave and react to things it seems so madSome of you are really clinging to absolutely nothing.
It will happen when it happens. The Euros starts next week. This is a nice period in which Man Utd can't let you down with a disappointing performance or result - just enjoy the summer.
I see no reason for them to rush, as long as we're not losing out on potential candidates. The fact nothing has been announced suggests things are still up in the air imo.
We were up 3-0 after 70 minutes. Coventry should have won?!?
No, we should not have shat ourselves.
Yes. That's exactly why it's right to criticize INEOS by now. We are now in the most crucial time of the year for the management team and it doesn't even properly exist. During the season the manager is in focus because he needs to get the squad he has to perform twice a week. But now is the time where the squad (and supporting staff like the manager) has to be built, signed, sold, sacked. And those whose job it is to do all this are still under contract elsewhere. They might get lucky late in the transfer window, but so far to me it looks like INEOS messed up this summer.
You’re all fecking mental same posters are having the same discussions for weeks feck knows how you all have the time an energy
Apparently Ten Hag was called in to the office and thought we had a surprise game against Chelsea because he seen Pochettino in the corridor.
United had top managers since Ferguson retired and none of them were truly successful.
INEOS concluded that it is the overall set up that doesn't allow the managers to be successful. Now coming in with that premise, would they suddenly decide to change the manager before allowing him to work under what they consider to be a proper organisation. Seems illogical.
INEOS concluded that it is the overall set up that doesn't allow the managers to be successful. Now coming in with that premise, would they suddenly decide to change the manager before allowing him to work under what they consider to be a proper organisation. Seems illogical.
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