Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Rista said:
Who said it doesn't? Are you that blinded by wanting to keep Ten Hag that you just ignore what others are saying?
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Its funny you call me blind, maybe you cant read.

I have said multiple times, Ten Hag can get sacked, for this season he deserves to be sacked but I would rather not sack the manager for managers that have had bad to worse seasons in Poch, Tuchel and Di Zerbi.

Definitely not before we sort the structure out.
 
romufc said:
Actually, yes, I have watched other teams.

In the PL, who are the regular title contenders?

Pep, Klopp and now Arteta.

They all let those managers build their style, granted pep done it quicker than the rest.

What do they do? they back the managers to create a working culture, get rid of players that didnt work and replace them, not just rely on the manager to scout players like we do at Manutd.
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Pep, Klopp and Arteta came in and built the style that they want. If what we saw this season is the style that ETH wants, then we shouldn't be giving him any more time to implement it because it's terrible. We constantly looked like the worst coached team in the league, worse than we did under Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or Ole, not because of the players but because the entire system that they were being asked to play was so poor.

If ETH is given another season, he will either make very significant changes to his style which means we wasted this season for no reason, or he'll stick with this style which means we'll be wasting next season for no reason as well.
 
romufc said:
Klopp is an example because even when Klopp had won the league and had his team, when he had a injury crisis in defence, he struggled to play the same style and struggled to get top 4.
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I think this example is overstated. Liverpool were in the top 4 for the majority of the season (even 1st for a few matchdays) and made it to the CL QFs. If you look at their league results, what really happened is they had a catastrophic period of 1 month in which they lost almost every league game. That sent them tumbling down the points table and out of the top 4. Once that period ended they performed well (8W2D) and ended up finishing 3rd.

It is easier to forgive this, a brief period of total collapse, than an entire season where things barely ever work.
 
MadDogg said:
Pep, Klopp and Arteta came in and built the style that they want. If what we saw this season is the style that ETH wants, then we shouldn't be giving him any more time to implement it because it's terrible. We constantly looked like the worst coached team in the league, worse than we did under Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or Ole, not because of the players but because the entire system that they were being asked to play was so poor.

If ETH is given another season, he will either make very significant changes to his style which means we wasted this season for no reason, or he'll stick with this style which means we'll be wasting next season for no reason as well.
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Oh is that so? I guess recency bias is getting to you.

Arteta for 2 seasons played a back 5 counter attacking football, just go watch the games.

When he got rid of certain players and got his players in, they started playing more high pressing, controlling football.
 
MadDogg said:
If ETH is given another season, he will either make very significant changes to his style which means we wasted this season for no reason, or he'll stick with this style which means we'll be wasting next season for no reason as well.
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I've been saying all season he can change this system, I knew he'd change it for the final and he did.

The thing is, he doesn't want to and we shouldn't want him to. We all know what we need;

Two fast CB that are good in the tackle, one or two DMs that can drop in the back line to make a three, one striker because we've needed some for years.

Sancho needs to get his head out of his own arse, because we'll need him when Bruno goes.
 
Don’t see how Ten Hag stays now.

Can only assume INEOS want to speak in person, thank him and part ways.
 
Vault Dweller said:
Genuinely can't believe nowt has happened yet.
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But apparently we're dimwits for saying anything against the mighty new (partial) owners.
This has been handled as bad as anything you could imagine. Personally I think they got to the point where it had gone past a normal amount of time announcing something and they've shit the bed and don't know what to do.
 
spwd said:
But apparently we're dimwits for saying anything against the mighty new (partial) owners.
This has been handled as bad as anything you could imagine. Personally I think they got to the point where it had gone past a normal amount of time announcing something and they've shit the bed and don't know what to do.
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He's on holiday. I think it is nothing more than wanting to handle it face to face, as is normally the case. Would it be better to sack him whilst he's on holiday, then have his office emptied and all his possessions posted to him, with no chance to say goodbye to players and staff? That's the most obvious conclusion to me and I expect that is what will happen.
 
spwd said:
But apparently we're dimwits for saying anything against the mighty new (partial) owners.
This has been handled as bad as anything you could imagine. Personally I think they got to the point where it had gone past a normal amount of time announcing something and they've shit the bed and don't know what to do.
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Think it's worse, we've handled the change of managers badly under Glazers but last when it was done it was done.

It seems like even if they decide he should stay it's undermining now. I bet they wish we never won the fa cup..
 
pocco said:
He's on holiday. I think it is nothing more than wanting to handle it face to face, as is normally the case. Would it be better to sack him whilst he's on holiday, then have his office emptied and all his possessions posted to him, with no chance to say goodbye to players and staff? That's the most obvious conclusion to me and I expect that is what will happen.
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Is it though?

All the players are away either on International duty or holiday, so if he wants to say bye, he will have to wait until pre season starts.
 
romufc said:
Is it though?

All the players are away either on International duty or holiday, so if he wants to say bye, he will have to wait until pre season starts.
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Ok then, maybe just players that are still around and staff. Every time a manager has been sacked here or anywhere else, they have always been dealt with face to face. Is sacking him whilst on holiday really the way to go?
 
pocco said:
Ok then, maybe just players that are still around and staff. Every time a manager has been sacked here or anywhere else, they have always been dealt with face to face. Is sacking him whilst on holiday really the way to go?
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At this rate if they going to sack him, just sack him. Even though face to face is the best way, sometimes things have to be done.
 
MinGin said:
Also, team maybe had the most injury records in 2024 and within 34 years.....

Liverpool dropped 30 ppt (99 to 69) with reduce 26 goal different (56 to 26) between 19/20 & 20/21 after one VVD long injury at that year (Kloop 5th year)
Even a turned champions team, the performance and result will be so much different when key player(s) got injured....

( Digression: also, we got targeted by VAR this year to make it win to draw, draw to lost)
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Not having the VAR excuse, yeah we had some bad calls early season but we also had some good calls aswell. We got a couple of soft ones go our way against Notts forest at home for instance.

I think we probably ended pretty even Stevens with VAR calls this season. Pretty similar to most clubs in the league, although everyone will tell you they got screwed by VAR this season.

I'm terms of Liverpool and that season, they were miles better than we have been this season. They struggled mid season but were actually very good at the start and end of the season. And still achieved top 4 plus of course they had money in the bank from the previous seasons.

Remember we finished 8th this season, there no getting away from that, lowest ever PL finish. Lowest post SAF finish, negative GD. You can't even look at our performances and say we have been unlucky either, if anything we have been lucky to finish so high. There is no excuses that cover that. Whatever happens, ETH has failed this season.
 
pocco said:
He's on holiday. I think it is nothing more than wanting to handle it face to face, as is normally the case. Would it be better to sack him whilst he's on holiday, then have his office emptied and all his possessions posted to him, with no chance to say goodbye to players and staff? That's the most obvious conclusion to me and I expect that is what will happen.
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Isn't this the most plausible theory? There is an in person meeting regardless if he is sacked or staying?
 
They could easily release a statement saying they’re going to stick with ETH, so why aren’t they? Just communicate with the fans. That’s all we’ve wanted the whole duration of the glazers shitty tenure and they haven’t.

We want communication and ambition to be more clear and transparent. It’s been nearly a month since the PL has ended and over 2 weeks since then FA cup final. We still are non the wiser. What is actually going on?

Madness. I feel for ETH. Club is run like a circus.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
They could easily release a statement saying they’re going to stick with ETH, so why aren’t they? Just communicate with the fans. That’s all we’ve wanted the whole duration of the glazers shitty tenure and they haven’t.

We want communication and ambition to be more clear and transparent. It’s been nearly a month since the PL has ended and over 2 weeks since then FA cup final. We still are non the wiser. What is actually going on?

Madness. I feel for ETH. Club is run like a circus.
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The ones saying why should they say something. Prospective signings will want to know who they are going to be playing for, not that they could sign and all of a sudden they decide to sack the manager just before the season starts when this review is reviewed.
 
I was filled with hope about INEOS. It didn't get rid of the Glazers, sure. But, any change like this would surely be better than the Glazer's on their own, right? Especially if the newcomers take over the football side.

The hope hasn't totally vanished. But, I'm starting to ask more and more questions.

I 100% believe Man Utd should stay faithful to ETH, and getting rid of him would be a massive mistake. Especially as I'm not confident any other manager would have worked miracles with our fractured squad this season. But, I've already said my piece on that.

But, what are INEOS doing exactly? The press were pretty much adamant before the Cup Final that ETH was about to get sacked. Was this based on solid foundations, or the press stirring the pot, and gathering steam as other reporters ran the story? Perhaps there was substance in it, after all, INEOS have never put those rumours to bed. So, I expected, and dreaded, that INEOS would announce the sacking of ETH shortly after the Cup Final. Yet, well over a week later, nothing. Fans don't know, and I assume players don't know and ETH doesn't know. Do INEOS even know? After all, they haven't even sorted themselves out yet, and have everyone in position at board level.

If they were going to bring in Poch, Tuchel or De Zerbi, I'd have thought they'd have just done it by now. I don't mind Poch (but still want the club to stick with ETH), although the other 2 fill me with dread. If they haven't brought these guys in, are they waiting for a manager who isn't yet available? In other words, Southgate? Oh, please God no. Nice chap, a diplomat, but CV is really poor as a Club Manager. He pretty much got the England job by default, after the shenanigans of Allardyce. And, despite England's excellent side and some good runs in tournaments, I think England fans generally agree is that Southgate is the weak link. Is there any evidence he is the type of manager who can play a style of football fans, including opposition fans, constantly tell us Man Utd should be playing?

When INEOS came in, I felt that as we approached the end of the season and got into the summer, they would be full steam ahead in planning the transfer strategy. Talking with the manager, looking at the players that can go, and doing a lot of work on the types of players, and personalities, we bring into the club. Then working on deals, so they can acquire them without spending the money that matches the GDP of a small country. But, how can any of that really happen without knowing the manager? Are current players, who like ETH, going to become unsettled? The likes of Mainoo, Garnacho, Bruno and Martinez probably have a good relationship with ETH, will they become disillusioned with another change in management. Will another manager give some players yet another chance, while ETH may be happy to let them go if an offer comes in?

Ironically, I've personally never felt Man Utd as being as unsettled as they are now, at the end of a season. Even in the season Ragnick took over temporary charge, a season that was just chaos, ETH was appointed by the end of April. So, as a fan, I was happy that the club could start planning for the future. I honestly have no idea what they are doing right now.

I live in hope that they have a Masterplan, one that will actually work. But, as each day passes, my doubts increase.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The ones saying why should they say something. Prospective signings will want to know who they are going to be playing for, not that they could sign and all of a sudden they decide to sack the manager just before the season starts when this review is reviewed.
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Exactly, with the euros it’s going to be a short window also. It will be harder to get business done.
 
Wilt said:
Don’t see how Ten Hag stays now.

Can only assume INEOS want to speak in person, thank him and part ways.
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I mean im EtH in, so from my view I don't see how he goes now.

It would look/be so shambolic to sack him now this late after the season has finished.

DomesticTadpole said:
The ones saying why should they say something. Prospective signings will want to know who they are going to be playing for, not that they could sign and all of a sudden they decide to sack the manager just before the season starts when this review is reviewed.
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You think future signings would get their information from the press?

I'm sure a) whoever they are dealing with will be able to tell them, b) if they speak to EtH it will be a big hint (can't see them letting an outgoing manager sell to a player) and c) they are playing for Man Utd, if who the manager is bothers them that much then don't bother.
 
Sorry but Ineos have already lost quite a bit of credibility here. If Woodward was overseeing this mess, people would be in full meltdown. How can we even claim to have full belief in whoever his replacement is if we sat on the fence about him for months. None of this exudes any sense of confidence, or clarity.
 
SER19 said:
Sorry but Ineos have already lost quite a bit of credibility here. If Woodward was overseeing this mess, people would be in full meltdown. How can we even claim to have full belief in whoever his replacement is if we sat on the fence about him for months. None of this exudes any sense of confidence, or clarity.
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I'm 100% sure that Woodward would have made a decision by now.
I'm maybe 70% sure that having someone who actually makes decisions would be better for United than what's currently (not) happening.
I'm also 100% sure that this is an absurd thing to say but that's how I feel.
 
pocco said:
He's on holiday. I think it is nothing more than wanting to handle it face to face, as is normally the case. Would it be better to sack him whilst he's on holiday, then have his office emptied and all his possessions posted to him, with no chance to say goodbye to players and staff? That's the most obvious conclusion to me and I expect that is what will happen.
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That's how I'd do it. Note on his possessions labelled inabit.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Friendly reminder that a new manager wouldn't start until July at the earliest. There is no rush here.
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well, theres a rush because of the transfer window.. how are players more likely to decide to join us if they even dont know who the manager will be .. and most of the players will want their futures sorted before the euros
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Friendly reminder that a new manager wouldn't start until July at the earliest. There is no rush here.
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That's not entirely true.

A new manager appointed now will want to get in and crack on, prepare for pre season, have conversations about the squad and what they intend to do.


If INEOS take 2/3 weeks to review a manager after having 6 months of it.. imagine how long it will take to plan with a new one.
 
dedek_mraz said:
well, theres a rush because of the transfer window.. how are players more likely to decide to join us if they even dont know who the manager will be .. and most of the players will want their futures sorted before the euros
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This is never the case. Most clubs do the majority of their business in the later parts of the window.

We need to be patient here. The new ownership structure is only a few months into their tenure, and they are slowly repairing years and years of ineptitude.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Friendly reminder that a new manager wouldn't start until July at the earliest. There is no rush here.
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Eh? Don't know where this logic has come from. You don't think prep and work starts before July for a new season?

I've been patient with all this, but I think people are being a bit too forgiving.
 
romufc said:
That's not entirely true.

A new manager appointed now will want to get in and crack on, prepare for pre season, have conversations about the squad and what they intend to do.


If INEOS take 2/3 weeks to review a manager after having 6 months of it.. imagine how long it will take to plan with a new one.
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Are we not progressing into a structure centering around a head coach rather than a manager? With squad assembly etc. to be within the remit of a director of football rather than the head coach?
 
Judas said:
Eh? Don't know where this logic has come from. You don't think prep and work starts before July for a new season?

I've been patient with all this, but I think people are being a bit too forgiving.
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Well, there have been plenty of reports that the club have spoken with multiple managers... who is to say this has not been part of the discussion? I mean, Ten Hag is on holiday so he is hardly prepping for the new season.
 
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