Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Steinburg is connected at Chelsea, I don't think the club would leak before tomorrow.

That is plausible, to be fair. Chelsea will certainly be cheering for City tomorrow, as they'll be relegated to the Europa Conference league if we win. Obviously Chelsea will know definitively that we're sacking Ten Hag if McKenna has turned them down to join us (as seems increasingly likely). Steinberg as you say is well connected at Chelsea (and WHU).
 
Shocking it’s been leaked before the Final, can’t help feel it’s a slap in the face for him.
Don’t get me wrong he had to go, but also can’t help wonder, if he could’ve done better with a fully fit squad.
 
Should probably take that meeting with Bayern now...

Much better candidate for them than Kompany and would cost much less than a reported 20M fee to a club
 
"We were seduced by his baldness. But when you think about it, what is a bald man except a worse version of a man with hair and best in class means best in class........sorry, what was the question again."
 
Hilarious how when other clubs do it its ok, even ruthless, but when United do it it's suddenly breaking news
 
Wow 30% still want this guy?
 
It's the right decision, the worst season of any manager post SAF and in the clubs recent history.

Erik didn't have any ground to stand on, the only thing backing him into the final year of his contract was hope, for an experienced manager there are others within his competitive space who are showing more promise for the club to actually build a successful project around.
 
What rumours about his methods? How can he lose a dressing room before he’s even arrived? What does that even mean?

There were rumours in the media previously of players at United not liking his training methods and finding him too much like a school teacher. Mind this was at the height of toxicity and inner leaks. Hopefully most of those players have gone but as anyone knows from a workplace it only takes one toxic character to infect a workplace.

I’m playing devils advocate because I’d love him here.
 
Hilarious how when other clubs do it its ok, even ruthless, but when United do it it's suddenly breaking news
Clubs like Bayern, Barca, Chelsea and Madrid don't give way to sentiment at all when it comes to managers and they sack title/cup winners as easily as they sack ex-players as soon as they're trending south.

It's at United were the manager is a deity like figure that we expect the club to give in to their every demand and also give them every single courtesy on the way out regardless of the situation. It's just not how football is and how top clubs are run these days.

The clubs that have adapted to the current realities have also done far better on the pitch than we have over the last decade so maybe we can borrow a page from what's working nowadays rather than fight it
 
Hilarious how when other clubs do it its ok, even ruthless, but when United do it it's suddenly breaking news
You'll see threads about non-United managers filled with people sticking the knife in, telling us all how crap they are after a few bad results. But when it's a United manager? Doesn't matter what they do, we should give them time, and only sack them after asking their permission.

The cult of the manager nonsense needs to die out. We're not getting another Fergie and people need to come to terms with that.
 
If it is McKenna, I guess he'd want to keep a lot of the more senior guys around as he'll know them well having coached them under Mourinho/Solskjaer/Rangnick (Dalot, Maguire, Bruno, AWB, Lindelof, McTominay, Rashford, Shaw).
I would keep Dalot, maybe Maguire, Bruno, Scott and that is all, the others are either always ill or injured or just a bit rubbish.
 
It sounds like Ten Hag was open about working in a different structure, but we don’t really know.

Managers get fired all the time. There’s no one on the market right now that we must sign or miss out on a great manager. Maybe Arne Slot, he’s gone.

We can sign the best available or take a punt on McKenna. Or wait if Ten Hag relationship isn’t broken and see what happens.

Jadon: must never play for us again.

I’m concerned about SEG: they have handled some transfers in a dodgy way (Stefan de Vrij sued them) and it appears there is a conflict of interest. On the other hand, it may have helped get Højlund here, dodgy or not.

- Jadon should have been sold at least last season when it became evident that he lacked the mental strength to play with United. Not every player is cut for a top club whose constantly under scrutiny. However outing the issue only hurt the club
- ETH had near SAF's power. The drop from that role to a head coach role is huge especially considering that such status might have allowed people close to the manager to benefit out of it
- A United manager can't survive 8th place. We're not in the 80s anymore
- The injury argument while valid is extremely complex. It involves many stakeholders including the medical team, the fitness team but also those involved in recruitment (in this case one of the them was ETH himself), the football style (is it suited for that squad?), training etc. When I say SAF's reign then the first teams that come to mind is the double double team (insane workrate and stamina), the treble (with its swashbucking style of game) and the 3rd CL side who was simply amazing. Yet SAF's last years was known for its, dry, methodic, cynical and quite frankly boring football. That's because he simply lacked the players to implement his style. That's what top managers do ie they adapt their game
 
Clubs like Bayern, Barca, Chelsea and Madrid don't give way to sentiment at all when it comes to managers and they sack title/cup winners as easily as they sack ex-players as soon as they're trending south.

It's at United were the manager is a deity like figure that we expect the club to give in to their every demand and also give them every single courtesy on the way out regardless of the situation. It's just not how football is and how top clubs are run these days.

The clubs that have adapted to the current realities have also done far better on the pitch than we have over the last decade so maybe we can borrow a page from what's working nowadays rather than fight it
They also get rid of underperforming managers straight away, we have left it too long, so now we go into a cup final with a manager who knows he has gone, so owes us nothing, a team who know the manager has gone which could work either way and if we don't win no europe. With United it is timing. They left Ole too long as well. The only good thing with no Europe it will actually help the new manager to work on the training ground with a smaller more receptive squad. The diety thing, that is the club and fans trying to take SAF's word literally. He wouldn't have meant stick with a manager if it was detrimental to the club.
 
I prayed for times like this.

Now I can start feeling hopeful about this club again
 
Goldbridge saying it's coming from inside the club. To be fair to him hours ago he tweeted "Parting ways" before this all came out.
 
Even more ominous isn't it? they could easily dismiss the rumours but can't/wont.
Why should they though? We give journos way too much time as it is, why should the club be responding we're about to play in a final.
 
Shocking it’s been leaked before the Final, can’t help feel it’s a slap in the face for him.
Don’t get me wrong he had to go, but also can’t help wonder, if he could’ve done better with a fully fit squad.

Day before a cup final for biggest impact.

Grade A c*ntish behaviour and classless, I’d expect nothing else in this sport
 
Why should they though? We give journos way too much time as it is, why should the club be responding we're about to play in a final.

True but if there was any chance of him staying they would know regardless of tomorrows result and squash the rumours

To let it persist and snowball out of control is negligent
 
Mixed feelings for me, really wanted him to succeed.

Agreed, I feel for ten Hag. The cafe has shown how toxic and negative our supporters are to the point they don’t care we have a cup final tomorrow. Honestly feck them, hopefully their energy is spent elsewhere and not on the game.
 
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