Would you have listed Oliver Glasner as a potential manager that ticks the boxes? He has done more with that Palace side in 8 weeks than Ten Hag has done in two years. Completely outcoached Ten Hag in the 4-0 loss.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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You're missing the point, this season has been horrendous but the set of cards had been a truly devastating set of circumstances. I'm looking at games like Barcelona last season, Bayern at the start of this season, Liverpool this season amongst others. The highs have been high, but the lows have been shockingly low. The biggest issue is the inconsistency and the question is then how much of that inconsistency is down to the tactics or some of the players who are just not good enough to maintain it.
No because he doesn't tick all the boxes...Hes doing a good job so far and lets see if he can trend upwards as maybe he's one for the future. Did he outcoach us or did we just have a shockingly poor side out because id have swapped half of our team with theirs on the day.
The coaches and United staff will know better than we do why he hasn’t been playing week in week out. He’s taking his chances now though and I got a feeling next season will be a proper breakthrough season at United
Respecting the heritage of the club as a tick box is a bit weird, as I would expect anyone to be respectful of their employers - and going based on what you've elaborated on - Ten Hag has already made similar criticisms of past good United team's, maybe not as abrasive as Mourinho but the sentiment was similar.
Putting aside what Ten Hag has said in his interview with Neville, I struggle to think how anyone could classify our football as proactive. It doesn't seem as such with the eye test, and I'd hazard the guess that most metrics would suggest the same.
Can agree with that and more suggesting we should all be happy we can trust the club hierarchy to make the right decision. Exclusively because they are untested so may as well start with optimism!
What boxes does ETH tick?
You’re right. Ten Hag was unlucky. Clearly, we were well prepared. It was unlucky that he gambled that Palace would sit back instead of press us high. Good thing he had a plan B. Oh, no, wait. He didn’t.
If you want the big fish, you need to bait the hook effectively.... currently we don't have a rod, never mind a hook!
I mean which manager could United realistically not attract beyond the 5-6 obvious ones for obvious reasons?
Maybe not Alonso either because of his Liverpool past.
But what has continuing with a system that clearly didn't work, for an entire season actually achieved?
Because I don't buy the line that he couldn't coach a plan B in the short term. He's just highlighting a failure in his own coaching abilities.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Southgate turns us down and stays with England.
Ten Hag for life
Ten Hag for life
Come on now, there was nothing good about that game. Bayern was comfortably winning 3-1 until the end of the match, then we scored, then they quickly scored, and then we made it 4-3 in the last second of the game. They had 19 shots in that match, 60% possession and were essentially in second gear for most of the match.
It was an entertaining match, but not that good performance. And Bayern themselves have been nothing special this season, have lots of weaknesses.
Losing to an average Bayern team on our way to crashing out in the group stage is a 'high'?!
Not really missing your point. You have chosen to absolve Ten Hag of responsibility for this season. I have not.
when you can’t find 5 matches in this season where we did perform well, I would say that is a coaching issue, not a circumstances issue. We’ve had fully fit squads this season and still played like dog shit.
when you are selecting only four matches across two seasons and 110 matches where we’ve played well, doesn’t that prove my point? It’s not the losses to City that concern me. We are miles away from them. It’s the 0-3 to Bournemouth at home with a mostly fit side, the 2-1 loss to Nottingham, the 2-1 loss to Fulham with a mostly fit side.
Nice dodge of the question, ouch.
When you put it like that, it does look unbelievably bad. This Chelsea side finishing above us and scoring 20 more goals is just crazy. We have to acknowledge the injuries, alright. But for me still not enough is made just how bad we've been for the entire season. Nobody will convince me Ten Hag could not have set up the team any better. Plus, we didn't have that many injuries in attacking positions.
Very thoughtful response you’ve got there. Atleast you didn’t dispute the facts.
Sorry if this has already been said but one thing that has confused me over the last few weeks is why Casemiro has been emergency centre back instead of McTominay. Scott has played there for his country and his attributes are better suited to it.
We don't score many goals. Scott is a goal threat. More so than Casemiro.
When you can't even make a fair judgement and fall prey to your own bias, no thoughtful response could actually grab your attention.
Apparently winning a C tier European trophy is better achievement than finishing 3rd over a span of 38 games or even winning the league for 4 seasons where consistency is the key factor. According to you Roberto Di Matteo must be comparable to Arteta, Wenger or other good mangers since he won the UCL.
"Atleast you didn’t dispute the facts"
We've scored only 55 PL goals this season. McTominay scored 7 of those (12%). Granted 4 of those 7 came in 2 games but he's been a goal threat. Scored the openers vs Liverpool and Coventry in the Fa Cup as well.
I think it's because he is shit on the ball and we try to play it out from the back. He'd be a liability in possession - there is no hiding place there for him. I don't know how Scotland play, but maybe it works for them. I think they played a back three, do they not?
In the context of this clusterfeck of a season it probably is sadly.
And this is the quote from Ratcliffe that people always point to as an indication that he'll probably keep Ten Hag on.
When you see the quote along with the question and Jim's body language, it's hardly a vote of confidence.
Is he though?
Last 2 seasons.
McTominay 13 goals from 79 games.
Casemiro 12 goals from 81 games.
Casemiro has been injured and played a lot less game this year, so this year yeah but in general I wouldn't say he is.
When you can't even make a fair judgement and fall prey to your own bias, no thoughtful response could actually grab your attention.
Apparently winning a C tier European trophy is better achievement than finishing 3rd over a span of 38 games or even winning the league for 4 seasons where consistency is the key factor. According to you Roberto Di Matteo must be comparable to Arteta, Wenger or other good mangers since he won the UCL.
"Atleast you didn’t dispute the facts"
Who won 4 league titles?
Why are you posting videos/inteviews from February pretending like it is from today?
It's not as bad as its shown this year because of Erik's suicidal tactics, if city were coached by Erik with these tactics they'd be shite too. I agree it's not as good as it should be but that's because half the team are his choices.
If he gets a 3rd season the reason we won't be challenging is because he's made such a catastrophic mess this year including buying lots of shite.
Have to say I’d have a hell of a lot more fun talking with you if you stopped posting things that people aren’t saying. I haven’t absolved him of all blame at all. What’s the point in putting in the effort to post if you aren’t gonna bother to read it?
We have had a fully fit squad once this season and it was easily our best performance of the season against West Ham where we won comfortably. Inevitably then Martinez drops injured agaisnt and the cycle repeats.
What do we learn from that though. If you don’t commit to the style how do you know who can play it?
We only last that due to Onana mistakes, the performance level was high.
The squad is definitely that bad after all the injuries. Our first 11 would be competitive with most, outside of that it’s in a shocking state, far worse than some make out.
West Ham missed multiple chances that game and had 22 shots to our 12. You confuse final scoreline with good performance.
The shots alone don’t exactly tell the full story. They didn’t have many clear cut chances in that game, escapologist consisted to our normal standards this year.
Apologies, 3x dutch league titles.
Tbf Casemiro is also quite terrible on the ball and Hag keeps playing him there. He is so stubborn.
Southgate can stay south. He is an absolute NO for me regardless of how poor Hag has been.
We're talking about Scott's form this season and why he most likely been playing in an attacking role vs as a defender the past few games.
Injuries are part of the game. It is the manager's job to adapt his tactics to the circumstances. We had a mostly full first team early in the season yet were still quite terrible.
How we play has nothing to do with Martinez; he is defender not a midfielder. The biggest weaknesses we have are:
1. Our midfield us set up in such a way that we are very very easy to play through. Opponents often get far more shots on our goal than we do on theirs. Even relegation fodder like Burnley created several very good opportunities at Old Trafford. We looked their equals in that game.
2. We simply can't keep possession and hence control of the game. Our midfielders give the ball away regularly, treating it like a hot potato.
This is true even when all our first choice midfielders are available. This has ALOT to do with the manager.
The other thing Ten Hag is absolutely to be blamed for are the purchases. All of them with the exception of Martinez have actually worsened us. A good manager knows exactly how he wants his team to play, provides clear instructions and buys the right players for his system; we on the other hand have been chaotic in our play and as stated, the purchases have been largely poor.
McPelé in d?
Crazy talk.
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Beating Fiorentina is the equivalent of beating Betis.
We knocked out Barcelona.
Yeah, I think it is a ridiculous comparison. Mohyes is a conservative boring manager.
We trashed Sevilla, they got insanely lucky with deflected goals and Maguire/De Gea howlers. Freak result.
Beating Fiorentina is the equivalent of beating Betis.
We knocked out Barcelona.
Yeah, I think it is a ridiculous comparison. Mohyes is a conservative boring manager.
Good manager, but 8 games is a small sample size don‘t you think?
Look at Postecoglou; he is starting to throw his players under the bus.
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