He is still trusting in Januzaj, waiting for him to come good.
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He is still trusting in Januzaj, waiting for him to come good.
what impatience, what are you on about? Are you drunk?
When has the bolded part ever happened?
I dont know what our current situation has to do with Real? Have you watched us the last 10 years? You speak like we come from a triple season and had a bad season now and everyone is unhappy. Get a grip.
If anything, our fanbase is ridiculously generous and patient for a former top club. Too much for their own good.
Facts. I’ve even seen Mainoo drowning out there
His name is TrustInJanuzaj so perhaps he's writing from December 2013. We're the reigning champions.
I don’t understand this. We should look at successful clubs and steal the things they do well, leave the stuff we don’t like. Successful businesses around the world do the same. Our ethos, culture and everything else about the club doesn’t need to change. Nothing is going to change who we are. The Munich tragedy we’ve endured, the being the first English club to win the European Cup, the first to win the treble, the most league titles, the commitment to youth and the academy.
What we are saying is that a commitment to excellence and not accepting less is a very positive characteristic. Embodying those values and handling problems with dignity and class is a choice.
Because no United side should ever be poor enough to be 65 GD behind any Arsenal side.
In that season where they scored 55 they had a GD of +13, City won the league with +51.
You are absolutely correct. The other notion that many people get wrong is that you have to hit rock bottom before you really improve. This is silly, it doesn't happen in real life, it is probably from the movies or something.
Real Madrid would have sacked Ten Hag an hour after getting beaten 7-0.
Since our win against Villa at the start of February, based on form we're 16th in the table. I know based on expected points we've been hovering around 15th. And 12-13TH in xG.
Have results finally caught up with performances this season?
Have results finally caught up with performances this season?
Are you sure?
Don't they let a house burn completely down before trying to put the fire out?
Haha, yeah, I'm sure. The vast majority of people or companies who hit "rock bottom" usually disappear completely, they don't go back to the top. But the stories of the few exceptions who go from rock bottom to the top make great Hollywood movies.
Spot on.
Wow!
Yes, as many of us predicted they would.
The problem is he's sank us so low now it's a long way back next season, performance wise and squad wise.
How many teams have ever gone from a comfortable bottom half side in underlying stats one season to challenging for top 4 in the next season?
Yea I noticed this also, didn't recognise most of them
You're not wrong here, but my reasoning is that ETH is not a new manager. He's not walking into the situation with our new structure, he's arleady established the terms of his tenure at United and now a new team has been placed that will strip him of a lot of authority. It's one thing to come to the club knowing your transfer power is limited, it's another to have it taken from you when you're in the process of implementing it and I doubt Ineos were specifically selecting Ashworth & Wilcox based on how much they agree with Ten Hag's transfer policy.
I just can't see a good result from Ten Hag going into the final season of his contract without a renewal (which means reduced authority) and loss of transfer authority while being dictated a playstyle. Maybe that would have been fine if he arrived with those circumstances but pushing that onto him after two seasons of total control is going to generate conflict. This is why I think they're going to start over with a new manager.
That certainly should be the standard at Utd but haven't seen enough evidence since 2013
No idea but Im sure it's not many.
On the bright side we surely won't have as many injuries next season and hopefully we won't have a manager insisting on playing a wackydoodle system that makes the squad much lesser than the sum of its parts.
Basically, yes.
Obviously, it ain't quite so simple - and we are possibly in the embryo stage of being a club like that (after decades of Fergie followed by years of stupidly trying to replace him).
But, basically - yes. That's the idea.
The only half valid reason I can see for being ETH-in at this point is...that you have no faith in the reality of the re-structuring.
(Which I can understand, by the way. None of us have any real reason to trust the owners. INEOS have everything to do in order to get us on board.)
But everything else notwithstanding: the idea of not sacking ETH because "it hasn't worked before, we should rather sack the players" is very close to sheer insanity on all sorts of levels.
Aston Villa pre-Emery?
Yep, us having no Champions League football or indeed any type of European football next season makes the new Regimes job much harder than it needed to be this summer. We'll have significan'ty less money to spend on fees/wages and it'll be harder to attract players with no CL. So we might end up having to offer premium wages for players to give up European football for a year.
Something should have been done before Xmas to try and salvage something this year.
Mate, as someone who used to work for a spread betting company and received a lot of inside information, if you do genuinely have inside sources you probably shouldn't be betraying their trust on a public message board full of strangers
Yeah that's exactly how we should be thinking but our fanbase can be far too sentimental with managers due to the Fergie era
It is, and a close second in the bonkers logic stakes is ''We've sacked managers who've failed before, then we replaced them with other managers who failed. We need to break the cycle and not sack this failing manager, because that'll be different.''
Ten Hag‘s style is actually more transition based and more direct than the patient possession based approach.
There are those here who think we should go all in for possession based football, I‘m not one of them. I think it is outdated and you need the very best players to make it work.
My biggest concern with these young up and coming managers is can they handle this club. Clearly there is talent but feel they could well end up getting swallowed up by the size of it.
His claim to fame is predicting the INEOS takeover. Though, this smells like BS. Why leave a club you just promoted twice in a row?
Which is understandable.
Let's not forget that. It isn't random. The idea of a new era of greatness under a new genius manager is very much based on United's history.
It is misguided (in my opinion), because...well, basically because the football landscape has simply changed too much. Fergie was the last of his kind - and United should have realized this, we all know that story, I'm sure: it was exceptionally tricky, though. Because of Fergie himself. He was a force of nature, pretty much - and even after he had started to slow down, he was still capable of...well, winning the league.
If Fergie had deteriorated like most other managers, it would've been much easier.
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It’s fine my other inside sources say hes full of it.
Every year we get one attention seeker that has these “sources”.
If this is what people are taking from those who are not desperate for a sacking, then either those people have been making poor arguments or others are simply taking parts of a point and making it the whole thing.
As someone who is fairly non-plussed either way, the obvious arguments for giving him another season are a strong first campaign and a second one that's been an outlier in terms of player availability and sheer rotten luck.
It's really that simple, and ultimately comes down to whether people buy that or not. Many do not, and thats fine, but reducing it down as you are does nobody any favours, because I doubt there's a single person who thinks United should just give every manager a minimum period of time in charge.
In what aspect? Because based on watching the matches (and underlying 'stats' like xG, xGA, xPts) that is far from true, in fact, we have been incredibly lucky to be where we are.
If you mean by being in a middle of takeover, sure, but I think that still didn't effect our pre-season (essentially buying the striker, midfielder(s), and the keeper he wanted. So hardly a case of the takeover ruining the transfer plans.
Yes votes now up to 20%,jeez
We lost only 1-0 yesterday so to be expected. Win the next two matches and it will reach 50%. To then lose 7-0 from City and be back at original, 10%.
Even at Madrid that happens rarely and you know why it happens rarely? Because the players know its possible.
When I think of big historical teams I feel English teams and United especially are easily the best teams to manage in terms of pressure. The fans at United make it so easy for managers and players. Rashford thinks he is being abused, its nothing compared to what he would get in other big teams.
Southgate links today, I want him gone, but I'd keep him over Southgate every time.
Don't know what your talking about. It was an opinion of someone . Removed anyway cos you probably have a point.
de Zerbi —> Bayern - McKenna —> Brighton and …. Rooney —> Ipswich is what I’m hearing.
Reducing it? I don't think so mate what I've written is basically the whole argument that I've heard and read many times now. Including recently by Gary Neville.
I'm sure other people who aren't looking for him to be sacked have somewhat more thought out or different arguments, no idea why you think I'm trying to paint every opinion with the same brush.
Nah, we've been really unlucky with injuries, vibes and the placement of the planets.
Also, talking like this gets you the 'doesnt know anything about football' conviction in the court of EtH.
Don’t think we’re getting another win this season.
But has nothing to do with the poll question
Like I hate to break it to the 'we shouldnt sack him because what if we end up with Southgate?' people.
If Ineos are incompetent enough to give ETH a final doomed chance, we will waste another season yes, but then what's stopping them appointing Southgate mid season or next summer...? Nothing.
If they're stupid enough to do the former, there is no doubting they'd be stupid enough to do the latter. That is potentially the next 2 or 3 seasons wasted on ETH then Southgate.
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