I think there is no upside to play Evans and/or Casemiro. They're both finished as footballers, if a youth CB plays and has the same terrible game as them, at least in the medium and long, it could work towards his development.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Luton have more quality.
For sure. 8th is farcical, but without huge pieces of luck, we should be further down the table.
Sheffield United literally finished 11 points ahead of them last season. Luton were seen as massive underdogs coming up and were tipped to finish bottom of the league. Christ, you're so fecking argumentative.
Doesn't really help himself does he?
Let's just recall the fanbase wanted ETH. Now they don't. It might be worth considering the fanbase don't have a fekkin clue. Of course the Glazers hired and fired the managers to humour the fans. They knew it would make no difference because the problems lay elsewhere. Specifically it lay with them giving the keys to the club to accountants and marketing managers. Ultimately that culminated in resigning Ronaldo, the ultimate anti-football decision. Such extraordinarily bad stewardship won't be reversed overnight.
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Play a young player with Evans and Casemiro and go 5 at the back is protects the injured and infirm and the young player too, in these games why try and be anything other than hard to beat we haven't won in god knows what we have injuries piling up like anything why stick with what hasn't been working and isn't working out of what your own stubborn ideology
Last season yeah, there was two transfer windows in between and Luton signed better players.
I'm not being argumentative haha, I just don't agree with you. We are debating, that is the entire point of the forum mate.
I had my doubts after the first transfer window. A transfer window everyone loved at the time but now realises how poor it actually was.I can proudly say I've been wanting him out for close to a year now
Right. Well I think they're the worst coached side in the league. We'll leave it there as it's a really fecking innocuous "debate".
We've won 2 of the last 10 PL games, against the mighty Everton and Sheff Utd btw, and he's coming out with shit like that.
He's 100% finished here and i think he knows it too.
He's been talking some amount of absolute bollox lately.
If you don't like somebody challenging your opinion maybe don't come onto a public forum mate...
Yeah I've said this a while ago, get him in in some capacity to give the useless feckers a kick up the arse.
If INEOS have any sense they will sack now
It really is that simple, Casemiro can hardly play as a DM these days, him as a CB is a guaranteed terrible game. We all knew it, Crystal Palace knew it.
It seems to happen to every manager right near the end.
They start to come out with complete bullshit, they start bigging up their own individual records and throwing the players and Utd's history under the bus. Bringing up the 2004/5 season a few days ago and falsely claiming we'd never made back to back FA Cup finals.
Heads gone.
Going to a back 3/ultra defensive and counter at this point is an absolute waste of time.
They do not have to get thrown into a dysfunctional side and I think you know that's not how anyone would expect these kids to make their debut. Mainoo and Garnacho have got their on merit, these guys are there because there's no one else.
I think you're setting them up for failure, attackers get a much longer rope. A CB would need guiding through a game at that level for their debut. They'd be absolutely lost at sea.
I just don't think it's an experience conducive to development, if you actually care about their development.
At this rate Tuchel doesn't look a bad idea, just make it a 2 year contract and not 3.
Ineos should sack him tonight.
Worst i have ever seen from Manchester United
Worst i have ever seen from Manchester United
They're professional players, coddling them isn't going to do anything for them nor for us. If they're bad then no problem, they still have years to develop.
One game, albeit terrible will not determine their destiny. If they're good enough they will rise.
The alternative is using players who are 100% guaranteed of producing a shit game
Only the fourth defeat of the year? Oh, that's OK then, Erik!
Honestly, he's f**king trolling us at this stage.
Does it matter if "a young player" is ready or not, as it could have quite the detrimental effect on the fecker as well
Exactly. Why bother having reserve sides and youth sides if they cant be called upon in dire situations?
Obviously not an ideal way to make a debut but having an actual defender playing alongside a half fit Evans tonight would surely have been better than a woeful Casemiro being played out of position.
Just pull the trigger already, not sure the majority of us can take another 4 games of this let alone another bloody season.
ETH had managed Onana before, and after a year here, he believed that with Onana we can challenge City.
ETH had managed Antony before and he thought he is Man Utd material, unstoppable, worth any price.
ETH had managed Amrabat before and he thought he is a much better option than Fred.
ETH knew Mount well, and he though he is the player we need in the middle, in order to challenge City.
I can think of two reasonable explanations for the above:
1. He has no clue. He doesn't even understand if his own players are good or bad. He watches these players everyday, for years, and he still has no clue. Amazing, but...
2. His manager gives him a cut from the transfers. (I really can't believe this. )
Do you have a better explanation?
ETH had managed Antony before and he thought he is Man Utd material, unstoppable, worth any price.
ETH had managed Amrabat before and he thought he is a much better option than Fred.
ETH knew Mount well, and he though he is the player we need in the middle, in order to challenge City.
I can think of two reasonable explanations for the above:
1. He has no clue. He doesn't even understand if his own players are good or bad. He watches these players everyday, for years, and he still has no clue. Amazing, but...
2. His manager gives him a cut from the transfers. (I really can't believe this. )
Do you have a better explanation?
First thing he would do is sort out the defence.
Mods are usually extremely pro manager (I think Raoul was the only one who had a healthy dose of skepticism). But EtH has been so awful that even most of the mods have turned against him.
I'm hoping that our fans learn a lesson from this and don't just blindly buy into the "back the manager" tripe full-throttle ever again
Hardly though, I don't think either of them have made 10 apps for the u21s yet - happy to be corrected on that. I get because they're shit, we want anyone else, but playing either of those guys would not have been the answer..Imagine against fecking Mateta
.Only if you think it wouldn't work to a degree, arguably to have a chance in the cup final we'd need to carry an iota of form into it, as it stands we're looking at going into it on the back of what 4 or 5 losses in a row and then we are up against Man City yeah that's not a good look for us
7 of the starting XI were ten Hag signings.
2 of them were players he promoted.
He's now lost 30 games as United manager.
That's 27.27% of the 110 games he's overseen. Solskjaer, Mourinho and LvG all had a better numbers.
2 of them were players he promoted.
He's now lost 30 games as United manager.
That's 27.27% of the 110 games he's overseen. Solskjaer, Mourinho and LvG all had a better numbers.
Scrolling through Facebook groups it appears that way, they buy the give him time look at arteta, without understanding arteta was inexperienced when he took over the job and Arsenal management knew that.
I hope you change your mind.
I know what you mean, though. Back during ten Hag's first transfer window, I was very critical of how we were spending our money. Well, I got a tonne of abuse and insults thrown my way, as well as warning points for "being too negative", only for everyone to end up saying exactly what I was back then.
I was so tired of the insults I took a break from the forum. I came back after the 7-0 - not to say i told you so like some claimed - but because I was in disbelief and wanted to see how the forum was taking it. I'm glad I came back because, despite how rude some people get when you go against the grain, it is a good place to talk football and Manchester United. I'm just saying this because it'd be a shame to lose a poster over something like this. One comment can make a difference. It did for me when @Cascarino spoke up. I believe @Idxomer later did, too.
It was a reasonable gamble. A couple of analysts raised questions. Most of the 'professional pundits', even the hipster ones, thought it was a decent choice. Through luck, and having a midfield which was one year younger and less burned out than it is now (plus Fred for energy, etc), and more pragmatic play, Rashford hitting a streak, we did Ok, albeit with a few sticky moments, until after the League cup final. Following that, with Casemiro struggling to make it back to form after suspension/niggles, you could see things starting to decline. Choices he's made in terms of revising style and recruitment have turned this season, by and large, into a 'cluster,' and he doesn't seem to be adaptable.
If anything, the longer he's been in PL, the worse his judgement seems to have become. Before joining, when giving interviews following the announcement he called attention to the slight issues Pep initially had at City (in terms of physical profiles x style in the PL) - the choices he's made over the last year are basically counter to that judgement. It's bizarre - almost like a mental breakdown. But there's no contradiction between having supported him for manager over Poch and calling for him to leave now following a consistent pattern of poor choices, utter lack of adaptability and the rest.
We aren’t gonna get another point this season
You are brave to appear. I respect your opinion though.
Never said they'd be the answer right now obviously. I precised if they played just like Casemiro did today, I wouldn't be disappointed at them. It would showed me something, I'd have learned something.Hardly though, I don't think either of them have made 10 apps for the u21s yet - happy to be corrected on that. I get because they're shit, we want anyone else, but playing either of those guys would not have been the answer..Imagine against fecking Mateta
There is no upside to playing Casemiro as a CB, none whatsoever
At this point I’m pretty sure he got a cut from some of these transfers and used us to deepen his pockets further. I can’t explain it otherwise. He can’t possibly be THAT clueless.
Mateta is a very good player. I would love to have him in the team.Hardly though, I don't think either of them have made 10 apps for the u21s yet - happy to be corrected on that. I get because they're shit, we want anyone else, but playing either of those guys would not have been the answer..Imagine against fecking Mateta
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