Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Baffles me that people think by changing the manager we’ll all of a sudden be in the hunt for top 4, like one person will make the difference and be able to turn the team around.

Our problems run far deeper than the manager, any manager coming in at the end of the season will have a tough year next year, there’s no quick fix to the problems we’re facing.

Every manager we’ve had over the past 10 years has become the scapegoat for the way the club has been run. The story this week about the IT room being a mess is a small example of standards across the club, changing the manager is nibbling around the edges and just deals with a symptom not cause.
 
sparx99 said:
AWB is a fairly easy sell I should think. He’ll only have 1yr left come the summer.
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Maybe but he is on a large wage, minimal fee, can definitely see him seeing out his contract.
but whatever happens 80-90% of this squad will be the same next season.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Let him go to Bayern Munich. I think his style of play could work in Bundesliga and Europe like what he did at Eredivisie. The pace, intensity and physicality are very different with PL.
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Cloud7 said:
This is probably the first time in my life I’m hoping one of our staff gets poached by another club :lol:
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I have a suspicion that if he goes there, he'll take the piss by actually setting them up correctly from the outset, further infuriating supporters here who he once had all the goodwill in the world from.
 
Fortitude said:
I have a suspicion that if he goes there, he'll take the piss by actually setting them up correctly from the outset, further infuriating supporters here who he once had all the goodwill in the world from.
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Bayern are a better team than us but no chance he does better than Tuchel. If they are smart they will just keep him.
 
I hope he goes to Munich, this is a club who are sacking their manager for finishing second in the league whilst still being in the CL. For all the injury excuses ETH finished bottom of the CL group with 4 points in 6 games in the same group where Bayern finished with 16 points. I genuinely think that even after repeated failures we have one of the most supportive fanbases around and other fanbases will destroy him
 
mu4c_20le said:
Bayern are a better team than us but no chance he does better than Tuchel. If they are smart they will just keep him.
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As both parties decided to end that contract in the summer and more or less burned their bridges Bayern can't just keep him.
 
Lyng said:
Not to mention the amount of shots on our goal each match.
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Apparently it doesnt matter.

Btw our GD in 2 seasons combined is 16, It took City, Arsenal just 10 days to accumulate +15 gd this season, shows the gap and how terrible EtH is.
 
Him going to Bayern is an ultimate win for everyone. He gets a new job instantly, we get a new manager, his doubters get to see him leave and his cultists still get an ‘I told you so’ moment because he moves to a big club (and may get another one down the line if he finishes top 4 or wins a cup with them) plus they get a new club to support. Nobody loses in that scenario, nobody.
 
NLunited said:
As I said, we were gassed. 2-0 up but got overrun in the second half. It happens.
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Very funny, seeing a game of football last 90min, your excuse is dogshite!
The narrative that they bottled it when in fact they lost to a better team makes it ridiculous
 
Sarni said:
Him going to Bayern is an ultimate win for everyone. He gets a new job instantly, we get a new manager, his doubters get to see him leave and his cultists still get an ‘I told you so’ moment because he moves to a big club (and may get another one down the line if he finishes top 4 or wins a cup with them) plus they get a new club to support. Nobody loses in that scenario, nobody.
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Bayern.
 
erikcred said:
Bayern.
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I'd say Bayern lost before. It's absolutely ridiculous how their search for their new manager goes, they turned into a laughingstock and it's pretty clear that whoever joins to become their new manager is at best their forth choice. He will be a lame duck from day one. Every smart or good manager rejected them or at least made clear he's not moving in this summer. It doesn't matter anymore who they sign, as long as they can do it quickly. They are actually already trying to spin the current situation as "by now doors are opening we didn't expect to" (that's a statement Eberl made on the weekend), so it would be a way for them to save face by claiming "in the meantime EtH decided he would be open for a move due to recent developments, which wasn't the case when we started our manager search".
 
Sarni said:
Him going to Bayern is an ultimate win for everyone. He gets a new job instantly, we get a new manager, his doubters get to see him leave and his cultists still get an ‘I told you so’ moment because he moves to a big club (and may get another one down the line if he finishes top 4 or wins a cup with them) plus they get a new club to support. Nobody loses in that scenario, nobody.
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Bayern get screwed though. Which I guess is fine.

Also, the problem of cultists is that they will just built a cult around the new manager (it happened for every manager except Rangnick and to a lesser degree LvG).
 
Cassidy said:
I said since end of Jan so absolutely no point chucking stats around for the whole season. Also winning games by more than one is a useless stat for looking at solely attacking
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Yeah you said the end of January, I didnt. I am and have been talking about the season as a whole. Hojlund and Fernandes finding some scoring form hasn't changed the limp and disjointed nature of our attack.

True, which is why I also added in we've only scored 3 or more 7 times for context. Most of our wins have been 1-0 or 2-1 because we're crap at attacking.
 
ETH going to bayern and taking Antony along the way would be the greatest moment in history. Not football history, history overall.
Not only you weaken Bayern, but also get rid of a player that otherwise will be very difficult to sell.
 
stefan92 said:
I'd say Bayern lost before. It's absolutely ridiculous how their search for their new manager goes, they turned into a laughingstock and it's pretty clear that whoever joins to become their new manager is at best their forth choice. He will be a lame duck from day one. Every smart or good manager rejected them or at least made clear he's not moving in this summer. It doesn't matter anymore who they sign, as long as they can do it quickly. They are actually already trying to spin the current situation as "by now doors are opening we didn't expect to" (that's a statement Eberl made on the weekend), so it would be a way for them to save face by claiming "in the meantime EtH decided he would be open for a move due to recent developments, which wasn't the case when we started our manager search".
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True. Can't believe they've let it come to that.
 
I don't think Bayern would want Ten Hag.
Not only did he fail miserably at United in terms of tactics, he also bought the wrong players and couldn't handle difficult players like Sancho or Rashford.

He'd do worse than Nagelsman and Bayern know that. They'd probably bring him back for their reserves, but definitely not the first team.
I think they'd get Mourinho before they get Ten Hag.
 
Zumbi said:
So what? I don't care if there are some new faces on board - I'm still not going to assume their competency. They have to actually show it, and if they don't get rid of a manager this poor then it already raises questions.
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You did assume their competency already.
 
Rista said:
I can see why he would 100% prefer to stay. No excuses at Bayern. If he doesn't win the league there, he's toast. If he goes out of an easy CL group, he's toast.
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Why on earth would he prefer to stay? Easy gig, a team heavily weighted compared to other teams in the league, a chance to ‘prove’ his methods work, dead man walking at United. He just wants a payout from United before taking anything else.
 
crossy1686 said:
Why on earth would he prefer to stay? Easy gig, a team heavily weighted compared to other teams in the league, a chance to ‘prove’ his methods work, dead man walking at United. He just wants a payout from United before taking anything else.
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If ineos somehow do believe in him then that changes everything. He stays here for good money while being expected to "fight for 4th". Hopefully they do have more sense than that...
 
I really hope ETH stays, build on next season and then becomes successful. I really hate the posters here acting like he knows shit. Someone suggested that he would go to Bayern and set them up perfectly to take the piss. How messed up are you if you think ETH is purposely tanking this club?

3 managers before him have failed. Good managers mind you. People here want Tuchel cause he is the only one available, but they will call for his head cause he will also have to work with players like Harry, Lindelof and Rashford, Bruno.
 
I would love nothing more than him being a success here, I take no glee in how much he's failed. I just don't believe he can turn it around, but I'd love him to, and I don't get why anyone wouldn't, because we all should want the same thing.
 
Revan said:
Bayern get screwed though. Which I guess is fine.

Also, the problem of cultists is that they will just built a cult around the new manager (it happened for every manager except Rangnick and to a lesser degree LvG).
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I think some of them will actually go and follow him at Bayern very closely which will move them away from United.
 
Sarni said:
I think some of them will actually go and follow him at Bayern very closely which will move them away from United.
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Has that ever happened? The support for Ten Hag is nowhere near that of say Mourinho. Did Utd fans disappear to support Spurs?

Am I wasting my time responding to another sarcastic Sarni post?
 
roonster09 said:
Apparently it doesnt matter.

Btw our GD in 2 seasons combined is 16, It took City, Arsenal just 10 days to accumulate +15 gd this season, shows the gap and how terrible EtH is.
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It's truly baffling how he still has defenders.
His biggest cheerleader being Goldbridge should tell people everything.

Also it's weird to hear people say stuff "we have been so unlucky with deflected goals". Sure that's just bad luck, not anything to do with our goal being a freaking shooting tent every match
 
Sarni said:
I think some of them will actually go and follow him at Bayern very closely which will move them away from United.
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Nah. Moyes, Mourinho, and Ole had near as big cults and their cult didn’t go follow them when they left. United has a cult of manager problem, not a cult of EtH problem. You can replace EtH with a literal donkey and a significant percentage of our fanbase would worship it.
 
Revan said:
Nah. Moyes, Mourinho, and Ole had near as big cults and their cult didn’t go follow them when they left. United has a cult of manager problem, not a cult of EtH problem. You can replace EtH with a literal donkey and a significant percentage of our fanbase would worship it.
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Don't think thats true, well it's not for me anyway. I wanted Moyes, Ole and Jose out for a while before they cot canned.

Each situation is different. Don't think it's fair to lump them all together as one.
 
Would be a great deal if we can somehow offload him to Bayern without a pay out.
 
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