Assuming he has one.
Being Gung ho means pushing everyone forward and going all out attack.
That's not what we do.
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Assuming he has one.
Being Gung ho means pushing everyone forward and going all out attack.
That's not what we do.
Obviously, not exactly the same as next season, that was a clear exaggeration. But I assume you brought up Klopp to say that if we ignore this season because of the injuries and give him another chance(s?), he'll hit the heights of Klopp. Otherwise, what's the point in bringing up Klopp's name? Might as well say "Look, CL manager Eddie Howe also struggled with injuries this season."
8th and no cup is still possible and I’ll be mystified if he survives that
At best I think he can still potentially save his job, if he wins the fa cup (meaning Europa is guaranteed too)
Teams sell to rivals all the time. Dortmund sell all there best players to Bayern all the time. We’ve had players of Chelsea and Arsenal before.
City couldn't get Kane off Spurs. These teams you mention didn't have Daniel Levy overseeing the business.
He won’t be getting all his own way. He’ll have people approving his targets and saying yes or no to them. I bet Arsenal fans were saying the same about Arteta when they all wanted him sacked after finishing 8th twice.
- Lack of serious noise around it
- New decision makers not all being in place
- Cost
- Avoiding extra upheaval while backroom staff is sorted
- The fact that it would be almost impossible to be any worse next season
I don't think he deserves the chance at all but it's not impossible to turn it around next season with better player recruitment.
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That’s true. Was just stating a fact. Teams do sell to rivals. You may just have to pay a bit more. I know that no one would have but I bet they’d of sold to us or city for 150m. Who would turn that down?
Arteta is another proof that the quality of a manager is meaningless, all that matters is time. You could have anyone in the job and if you give plenty of time they will turn our world class.
Ferguson is one lucky man because he got so much time at United and is now considered a legend, when the only thing that differentiates him from Moyes is time.
It is like that since the beginning of time in all professions. Time is all it takes.
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Our goals per game in 2024:
44 goals in 19 so 2.3 goals per game.
Our goals per game from season start to Jan 2024:
37 goals in 28 games 1.32 goals per game.
Is that not an improvement in an area of the side we can agree has had fewer issues?
As @Berbaclass pointed out we have more wins, less losses in that period too.
What's your thoughts on this
But it's only 1 season, who's really affected if things go tits up?
Yes 25+ players but they're a bunch of lazy sods who've propelled numerous managers under public transport.
And yeah ok hundreds of thousands of fans too.
But the important thing here above the fans, the players and even above the club is that one guy from Holland is afforded absolutely every opportunity and all the time in the world. To prove beyond any measure of doubt that he's failed. Just on the off chance he's actually Fergie Mk2 and will lead us to another 3 decades of dominance.
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What does the adjustment for fixture difficulty entail though?
Don't know but it sounds good.
An option of winning the final and staying?
More chance of winning the Euromillions.
It's an improvement in goals scored. (I think I've said previously moving Garnacho to the right and dropping Antony was the main catalyst).
But even since January we're only 7th best in the league for goals scored - so it's still a "so what?" for me.
You trying too hard
ETH would be a success at Bayern, he wouldn't have a quarter of the nonsense he's had to deal with here, and would have a proper squad to work with.
You're getting too caught up on that word. I mean proactive and frontfooted in your play rather than sitting back and being cautious.
When you say, assuming he has one, are you implying he doesn't have a plan and just let's them do as they please? Or that his plan is crap?
In my opinion it's clear what he wants us to do. It's been executed very poorly this year obviously. Could be down to the personnel. Could be down to the manager. Could be down to the tactics themselves being incompatible to the prem, or a mix of all these, but to claim he doesn't have a plan is silly.
That's quite the hot take there.
This club doesn't deserve success while there is no understanding whatsoever about how off the pitch crap impacts the on field.
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I didn’t say winning. I said taking as in managing us in it.
So a tactical adjustment is making us better going forward.
Which other PL side has a 20/21 year old main striker and 18/19 year old winger as key attacking players for the majority of their seasons in the 6 teams better than us?
Also just for my own benefit where did you get the stats since Jan thing for the bolded?
I feel 8th is actually most likely outcome looking at the fixtures of Newcastle/chelsea.
Is there really a massive difference between 6th- 8th if there’s a few points in it? The whole point of “getting top 4” is about the champions league , it’s not that it’s particular impresive to finish 4th (or 5th if every CL spot).
And before anybody does their usual dumbass “look at him defending mid table”, I’m not defending anything. 6th position is shite, I just don’t see the actual difference to us (maybe conference qualification), it doesn’t make our season far better finishing a spot or two ahead of 8th.
At this stage, given what’s happened, I can’t see anything really change how the season looks. Even an FA cup win , while enjoyable, wouldn’t oaper over the cracks. An Fa Cup win didn’t save LVG, although I wonder if the availability of Jose played a big role in that
I feel like INEOs, right now, are sticking with him. Maybe if a certain manager becomes available or when the team being put together finally gets to officially bang heads together , it might change, but it at least looks like all plans are with him as manager next year.
I feel 8th is actually most likely outcome looking at the fixtures of Newcastle/chelsea.
If you could get over ETH’s annoying way of speaking, this is a pretty good interview. Gary is asking him the questions that most fans are asking and to be fair to ETH he’s being honest and transparent with his answers. It might sound like excuses at times (the injuries etc.) but you can sort of read through the lines to understand his thought process and why he’s not changing his approach even without the required personal.
Yes, very good. I hope he is given a chance under the new regime. If he still fails, fine, get rid, but I think he is owed that season after the two years of an absolute shit show off the field with the Glazers, takeover etc.
We were far better pre injuries last season, so it's safe to assume it'll be better again next season if players are fit + players are added that fit his style of play?
The latter, while it does appear to be chaos when looking at a match in isolation. We've been the same all season, it's just shit tactics, with players not suited to it and a naive ideology too stubborn to tweak it.
I'd describe our style of play as incorporating parts of all out attack and a low block. But the resulting in the worst of both worlds.
Fair enough, but that's even less likely.
Still doesn't explain why you brought up Klopp instead of a different manager like Eddie Howe who also had injury problems affecting results.
Surely you're claiming that if ETH has the right conditions, he would deliver something like what Klopp did? Not just ''far better'' than this season, which is a stunningly low bar.
Leverkusen is proof of the opposite
You're skewing the stats a little bit by adding in cup competition fixtures. Therefore you're inflating the goals tally by including our high scoring CL disaster as well as using FA Cups games against minnows to pump the goal stats. No shit we should be scoring goals against low quality teams. It still tells the same story but doesn't have as high numbers.
Yeah I'm not convinced. I heard a lot of stuff about what he was before he came here and it was all wrong, and a better manager is "struggling" at Bayern right now. They seem as big a joke as us being the scenes with all the opinions causing unrest at the club. You've got influential figures like Hoeneß straight up lying to the media about the manager to trash his reputation, just days before they play in the CL Semis.
CL was before January though. We have been scoring more goals lately but we haven’t really become a better team.
Exactly. But it seems a lot of people don’t have patience anymore. They want instant success. Because we’ve been use to it for so long. We’ve wasted so much money and time on managers that don’t know what there doing or each have different playing styles so all have brought in different players. This summer and going forward is when we all need to give the new owners and new structure time. It’s gonna take at least a year or 2 to sort out this mess… most of it’s been done in terms of getting rid of higher people and bringing in football people, alls we need now is to get rid of players who aren’t that good or are on to much money and start a fresh with hungry players who aren’t gonna want ridiculous amounts of money to join. Ratcliffe has the right intentions in changing the environment and the way the club is run. We just all need to give it time and this is the most confident I’ve been since fergie left that things might start to turn around.
Yeah ETH needs to get all the time he needs, if it takes 10 years for him to get us back in top 4 then be it. In the meantime all our executives, coaches and players should be working towards making life easier for him so that he can eventually succeed. We owe him this.
Only UTD need 3 years, perfect structure, perfect planets aligments ect.
Maybe we just need better manager?
Moyes, trash.
LvG, past it
Mou, past it
Ole, out of his depth
Hag, deluded.
Maybe we just need better manager?
Moyes, trash.
LvG, past it
Mou, past it
Ole, out of his depth
Hag, deluded.
It won’t take 10 years to get back into top 4. I reckon we’ll be back in it next year. Villa will probably fall off with European football, spurs are already falling off. Liverpool are questionable next season with a new manager, they’ll be going through there rebuilding stage. City and Arsenal are probably the only 2 guaranteed in the top 4 so I reckon we have a good chance if we recruit well this summer.
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