Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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I feel during the last month I have slowly become more fixed on the idea that we need to move him on. The high of the FA Cup game vs Liverpool feels like decades ago with the results and performance that has since followed.

With that being said, I have voted to give him another season - simply based on the fact that we seem to be linked with Potter and Southgate mostly to replace him. For that reason, I feel I'd prefer to give him another season.

I just don't see who replaces him who is available and less of a risk than simply giving Ten Hagg another season.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
I feel during the last month I have slowly become more fixed on the idea that we need to move him on. The high of the FA Cup game vs Liverpool feels like decades ago with the results and performance that has since followed.

With that being said, I have voted to give him another season - simply based on the fact that we seem to be linked with Potter and Southgate mostly to replace him. For that reason, I feel I'd prefer to give him another season.

I just don't see who replaces him who is available and less of a risk than simply giving Ten Hagg another season.
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I keep saying it but the idea that no managers are available is silly. With the salary United offer almost all managers are available.

How do you think Chelsea are never short of options to take over when they sack their manager?
 
stevoc said:
I keep saying it but the idea that no managers are available is silly. With the salary United offer almost all managers are available.

How do you think Chelsea are never short of options to take over when they sack their manager?
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Who would you go for? Realistically someone who would leave their current situation at their club to join us that you feel would be an upgrade?
 
I've just realised who Ten Hag reminds me of; an electrician.

Think about it. Your bath isn't turning cold water into hot water, so naturally you add a second sparking wire into the bath thinking that'll solve the issue. But, nope, the water is still cold. Not even a couple of toasters lobbed in make a difference!

So you call up your friend Woodward and you saw "yo dog ma bath water cold as feck" and he's all like "let me just stop popping Malteasers up Joel Glazer's bum for five minutes and call an electrician for you." So the electrician comes along and, can you believe it? It's a fecking boiler repair guy. How the feck is a boiler guy going to help you? You need someone who will help you lob more live electrical goods into your bath to heat up the cold water.

You start screaming at this useless engineer who tells you that not only is your boiler completely busted, but it's been leaking carbon monoxide into your house for two days straight. And then he has the audacity to ask if you'll put your trousers back on. fecking nightmare.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I've just realised who Ten Hag reminds me of; an electrician.

Think about it. Your bath isn't turning cold water into hot water, so naturally you add a second sparking wire into the bath thinking that'll solve the issue. But, nope, the water is still cold. Not even a couple of toasters lobbed in make a difference!

So you call up your friend Woodward and you saw "yo dog ma bath water cold as feck" and he's all like "let me just stop popping Malteasers up Joel Glazer's bum for five minutes and call an electrician for you." So the electrician comes along and, can you believe it? It's a fecking boiler repair guy. How the feck is a boiler guy going to help you? You need someone who will help you lob more live electrical goods into your bath to heat up the cold water.

You start screaming at this useless engineer who tells you that not only is your boiler completely busted, but it's been leaking carbon monoxide into your house for two days straight. And then he has the audacity to ask if you'll put your trousers back on. fecking nightmare.
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You need to somehow add 400 million to the story!
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I've just realised who Ten Hag reminds me of; an electrician.

Think about it. Your bath isn't turning cold water into hot water, so naturally you add a second sparking wire into the bath thinking that'll solve the issue. But, nope, the water is still cold. Not even a couple of toasters lobbed in make a difference!

So you call up your friend Woodward and you saw "yo dog ma bath water cold as feck" and he's all like "let me just stop popping Malteasers up Joel Glazer's bum for five minutes and call an electrician for you." So the electrician comes along and, can you believe it? It's a fecking boiler repair guy. How the feck is a boiler guy going to help you? You need someone who will help you lob more live electrical goods into your bath to heat up the cold water.

You start screaming at this useless engineer who tells you that not only is your boiler completely busted, but it's been leaking carbon monoxide into your house for two days straight. And then he has the audacity to ask if you'll put your trousers back on. fecking nightmare.
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rimaldo is that you?
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Who would you go for? Realistically someone who would leave their current situation at their club to join us that you feel would be an upgrade?
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Anyone who has shown a history of successfully implementing the type of football Ineos want us to play. Top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies and Champions League experience would also be preferable but I imagine not essential for Ineos.
 
stevoc said:
Anyone who has shown a history of successfully implementing the type of football Ineos want us to play. Top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies and Champions League experience would also be preferable but I imagine not essential for Ineos.
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Sounds wonderful, but I'll ask again - who?
 
stevoc said:
Anyone who has shown a history of successfully implementing the type of football Ineos want us to play. Top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies and Champions League experience would also be preferable but I imagine not essential for Ineos.
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Ten Hag?
 
SER19 said:
Ten Hag?
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He made sense as a hire at the time. Another question would be, if ten Hag had had this season at any other club, would anyone want us to hire him?
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Dutch league isn't a top league.
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He said top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies. Ten Hag has 2 years PL experience. Im being semi-serious of course, my point is that the list of trendy managers that plenty of fans have wanted us to have is actually embarrassing to think of now. Where is Leonardo Jardim anyway?
 
stevoc said:
Anyone who has shown a history of successfully implementing the type of football Ineos want us to play. Top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies and Champions League experience would also be preferable but I imagine not essential for Ineos.
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So Luis Enrique it is.
 
SER19 said:
He said top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies. Ten Hag has 2 years PL experience. Im being semi-serious of course, my point is that the list of trendy managers that plenty of fans have wanted us to have is actually embarrassing to think of now. Where is Leonardo Jardim anyway?
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More embarrassing than this season?
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Sounds wonderful, but I'll ask again - who?
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What type of football do the new footballing structure want to implement? What will their criteria for drawing up a shortlist be?

I assume you don't know, me neither. But if/when that happens. All but a select few coaches at other top clubs will be options.
 
It won't happen, but if we win last 5 in league and beat City in the final, would you keep him?
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For what it's worth, if anyone replaces Hag it won't be Potter since it's now being reported that he is on the verge of signing for Ajax.
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Didn't he reject them?
 
mu4c_20le said:
More embarrassing than this season?
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They arent really comparable things, but yeah, a mild clamour for Eddie Howe to take over was pretty embarrassing.

stevoc said:
No they'd need to be able to successfully implement a cohesive style of football in less than 2-3 years. That rules Erik out.
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you changed your post from 3-5 before I could reply. I sense your convictions arent as strong as you suggest.
 
SER19 said:
They arent really comparable things, but yeah, a mild clamour for Eddie Howe to take over was pretty embarrassing.
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:lol: point taken. Though he did seem to overachieve last season, it seems he's hit a ceiling.
 
SER19 said:
They arent really comparable things, but yeah, a mild clamour for Eddie Howe to take over was pretty embarrassing.



you changed your post from 3-5 before I could reply. I sense your convictions arent as strong as you suggest.
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I thought 3-5 was too harsh. Given 5 years and another billion to spend Ten Hag probably would get us playing some sort of structured football eventually.
 
For anyone still defending Ten Hag, just look at the expected points table. We are very lucky to be 6th, that is how bad it has been.
 
mu4c_20le said:
:lol: point taken. Though he did seem to overachieve last season, it seems he's hit a ceiling.
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There were worse than Howe too, I saw a list, I think on here before. We've to be very careful with appointments. De Zerbi for example could be great, or an utter disaster. Any attitude that 'anybody would be better than this' is a foolish approach. Its a) not true, and b) leads to a lower standard being applied. Either we get the very best we can or we ride it out.
 
stevoc said:
I thought 3-5 was too harsh. Given 5 years and another billion to spend Ten Hag probably would get us playing some sort of structured football eventually.
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I thought we looked good for a long spell last year. Actively enjoyed watching us and looked forward to us playing. For example, I knew for sure we'd beat a very good newcastle in the cup final. I expected us to win games. Ive no idea how weve fallen off so much. The best I can think of is a combination of a mismatched defence, with a decline from casemiro that was far steeper than anybody anticipated, and the gamble on rashford maintaining scoring form being a foolish one.
 
SER19 said:
I thought we looked good for a long spell last year. Actively enjoyed watching us and looked forward to us playing. For example, I knew for sure we'd beat a very good newcastle in the cup final. I expected us to win games. Ive no idea how weve fallen off so much. The best I can think of is a combination of a mismatched defence, with a decline from casemiro that was far steeper than anybody anticipated, and the gamble on rashford maintaining scoring form being a foolish one.
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We did but the longer Ten Hag's been here the worse the football and the results have gotten. And this goes back to last March, perfromances and results since then have been average to awful.
 
stevoc said:
We did but the longer Ten Hag's been here the worse the football and the results have gotten. And this goes back to last March, perfromances and results since then have been average to awful.
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Yeah people point to the liverpool battering as the turning point, but even after that in the league we played 13, won 8, drew 2 and lost 3 - with 7 clean sheets and we kept going in the cup to the final.

I don't know. The things ive mentioned above account for some, but not all of how bad weve been. Ten Hags best arguments for staying are a)last season had some promise, b) the emergence of mainoo, garnacho and hojlund, and c)the lack of a standout candidate.
 
stevoc said:
We did but the longer Ten Hag's been here the worse the football and the results have gotten. And this goes back to last March, perfromances and results since then have been average to awful.
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Ye the performances dropped after we won the caraboa cup. This season he hasn’t been helped though by injuries.
 
JPRouve said:
I think PSG are trying to extend him and Xavi's decision to stay should make it easier.
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Hey if we piss off the Qataris ny poaching Enrique, the Saudis might be happy to let Ashworth go.

SER19 said:
Yeah people point to the liverpool battering as the turning point, but even after that in the league we played 13, won 8, drew 2 and lost 3 - with 7 clean sheets and we kept going in the cup to the final.

I don't know. The things ive mentioned above account for some, but not all of how bad weve been. Ten Hags best arguments for staying are a)last season had some promise, b) the emergence of mainoo, garnacho and hojlund, and c)the lack of a standout candidate.
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One thing I worry about with keeping Ten Hag - aside from the whole manager performance issue - is that I don't see how you keep Ten Hag without extending his contract. He can't effectively manage the team without a sign of comittment. It would be madness to extend it after what we've seen this season.
 
SER19 said:
I thought we looked good for a long spell last year. Actively enjoyed watching us and looked forward to us playing. For example, I knew for sure we'd beat a very good newcastle in the cup final. I expected us to win games. Ive no idea how weve fallen off so much. The best I can think of is a combination of a mismatched defence, with a decline from casemiro that was far steeper than anybody anticipated, and the gamble on rashford maintaining scoring form being a foolish one.
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He absurdly lost his ability to make tactical adjustments, counters and effective substitutions this season. It started with de Zerbi figuring out his high press in 10 minutes, followed by Postecoglu doing the same thing. Even the Coventry manager ran circles around him in the cup game.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
He absurdly lost his ability to make tactical adjustments, counters and effective substitutions this season. It started with de Zerbi figuring out his high press in 10 minutes, followed by Postecoglu doing the same thing. Even the Coventry manager ran circles around him in the cup game.
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Or, before the season even kicked off and a fair amount of posters stated that this was a disaster waiting to happen. There’s nothing to figure out; it’s fundamentally flawed.
 
Laurencio said:
is that I don't see how you keep Ten Hag without extending his contract. He can't effectively manage the team without a sign of comittment. It would be madness to extend it after what we've seen this season.
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Why?
He has a contract till 2025 with a possible plus year if things go well.

That should be enough motivation to do his job effectively. Even if we are going to announce that he will leave his job at the end of 2025, he still has to do a good job, if he wants to land a good club after he leaves.
 
SER19 said:
Yeah people point to the liverpool battering as the turning point, but even after that in the league we played 13, won 8, drew 2 and lost 3 - with 7 clean sheets and we kept going in the cup to the final.

I don't know. The things ive mentioned above account for some, but not all of how bad weve been. Ten Hags best arguments for staying are a)last season had some promise, b) the emergence of mainoo, garnacho and hojlund, and c)the lack of a standout candidate.
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I felt we were running on fumes even before the cup final, we were grinding out results which was promising. After the Cup final the perfromances went down the shitter, at the time I put it down to too many games, the World Cup mid-season, injuries to key players like Martinez and Eriksen. But we've basically carried that form on into this season, again some of that is down to injuries but it can't explain the perfromances and the playing style.

Of those 3 only B get's him some credit with me.
 
SER19 said:
He said top league experience, a record of winning multiple trophies. Ten Hag has 2 years PL experience. Im being semi-serious of course, my point is that the list of trendy managers that plenty of fans have wanted us to have is actually embarrassing to think of now. Where is Leonardo Jardim anyway?
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I think he meant a manager that has done well in a top league, not a manager that has spent 410 million and is 7th and is braking one negative record after another in a top league, mind you.
What about Jardim? I don't remember us wanting him, he's always been a bit rubbish. He has achieved about as much as ETH has, good in mediocre league and one good CL run.
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
Why?
He has a contract till 2025 with a possible plus year if things go well.

That should be enough motivation to do his job effectively. Even if we are going to announce that he will leave his job at the end of 2025, he still has to do a good job, if he wants to land a good club after he leaves.
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He can't manage the team if his contract expires in 2025. Every game will be treated as a "test" by the media. There will be constant questions about it. Players will become uncertain whether or not he will be staying, and he loses some of his authority. Players we sign will know that it is fairly likely that the boss they sign for, won't actually be the boss next season. The discussion will be "Ten Hag's final chance", not "The new INEOS project". It's a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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