Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Berbaclass said:
Don’t agree with this. Both have decent backgrounds
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Doesn't matter, neither were hired to do the job of a coach in any case.

Else feck it, let's sack Ten Hag and make Ashworth the manager, Wilcox can replace McLaren.

It's well known at City that if they had failed to get Pep they were going to make Txiki manager.
 
NLunited said:
How hard were they on Klopp last season? Bollocks.

Do you think they would talk like this to Guardiola? He tells them their job sucks to their faces. They bend over for him and take it.

Think back to the opening game and the Onana penalty call that wasn’t given. Have you ever seen such a media reaction to that, and a fecking apology from the Refs to Wolves? (I don’t think it was a penalty).


Crickets if we don’t get a penalty (Højlund against Arsenal, Romero blocks Garnacho shot with arm against Spurs).

They won’t even show you the replay most of the time.

Nah man, there is a real media bias against us.
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Yeah because you wouldn't see Klopp or Guardiola chuck away a 3-0 lead against lower league side. Like others have said he is getting off quite lightly from the media. I also wouldn't have called them a disgrace either,feel he could have got his point across without saying that.

They do really lack the balls to ask him about Rashford lacklustre performances in pressers and we all know why.
 
Berbaclass said:
Very interesting. Quite like this idea. Not only for ETH but the players also. Might as well get used to the new style.
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Fake news. First of all, possession style football doesn’t suit us at all. Not the players and not our tradition.

Might as well get used to that.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah because you wouldn't see Klopp or Guardiola chuck away a 3-0 lead against lower league side. Like others have said he is getting off quite lightly from the media. I also wouldn't have called them a disgrace either,feel he could have got his point across without saying that.

They do really lack the balls to ask him about Rashford lacklustre performances in pressers and we all know why.
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Even then Guardiola got lambasted when he used full field man marking with Bayern against Barcelona or when Monaco beat City.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah because you wouldn't see Klopp or Guardiola chuck away a 3-0 lead against lower league side. Like others have said he is getting off quite lightly from the media. I also wouldn't have called them a disgrace either,feel he could have got his point across without saying that.

They do really lack the balls to ask him about Rashford lacklustre performances in pressers and we all know why.
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Klopp had some ‘embarrassing’ results last season, I’m sorry I can’t come up with examples I don’t have time to look them up.

You are right they take it easy on Rashford, but certainly not Ten Hag.
 
Sarni said:
Of course no. Wilcox will not be giving ETH orders on tactics. His job will be to help him build structure that will make his job easier, basically assisting ETH not ordering him around.
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You’re correct that the tweet isn’t reliable. It’s horseshit

However this is how James Ducker describes Wilcox’s role:

‘The task of settling on a very defined, clear playing style and identity – the so-called “game model” – and ensuring they have a manager/head coach who fits with that, and that the club recruit according to that way of playing, will be shaped predominantly by Wilcox.’

Which suggests Wilcox will indeed be in charge of deciding how we play and ensuring that the manager and players we recruit suit that style.

He says it’s Ashworth who’ll be building the structures and ensuring all departments are working well
 
JPRouve said:
The thing I don't understand about this is when has Ten Hag ever had his squad anywhere in his career? How many managers are ever in that position?
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Exactly. Not many. They are supposed to coach with what they have and make the team competent. Then add signings to complement/add quality to the team.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
You’re correct that the tweet isn’t reliable. It’s horseshit

However this is how James Ducker describes Wilcox’s role:

‘The task of settling on a very defined, clear playing style and identity – the so-called “game model” – and ensuring they have a manager/head coach who fits with that, and that the club recruit according to that way of playing, will be shaped predominantly by Wilcox.’

Which suggests Wilcox will indeed be in charge of deciding how we play and ensuring that the manager and players we recruit suit that style.

He says it’s Ashworth who’ll be building the structures and ensuring all departments are working well
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That organization is common in american sports with a President of Operations and a General Manager. The former is in charge of the big picture that he dictates to the GM(DOF) who is in charge of implementing that big picture and focuses on day to day business.
 
Berbaclass said:
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I'd personally bin Ten Hag as soon as feasibly possible, but if this is true AND at the behest of Barrada and/or Ashworth's wishes, then I'd be more inclined to accept it, albeit reluctantly. If this is Ratcliffe being indecisive then I'm a little worried.
 
pocco said:
He did say that Bruno and Garnacho will probably be ok. We should be ok against Sheffield United.
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Uh oh. They played very well against a Chelsea side who beat us and should’ve beaten City.

If we win it’ll be narrow. This is how we are coached. Regardless of personnel.
 
Kaos said:
Doesn't really mean anything. Most of us were pretty chuffed when Arteta got given a new contract. I still want Ten Hag out, but I wouldn't hold rival fans banter as a barometer to dignify it.
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Fair enough mate good point. Arteta was an outlier imo. It’s telling though.
 
NLunited said:
Fake news. First of all, possession style football doesn’t suit us at all. Not the players and not our tradition.

Might as well get used to that.
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Our tradition is to win the biggest trophy's and have exciting players. If the modern way of playing dictates a shift away from counter attacking football then we need to get used to that if we want to maintain our true traditions.
 
The problem is there aren't many good options for a new manager at the moment. A lot of managers with potential (To do well in the Prem) but your go to big names are mostly tied down or planning for the following summer.

I'd give Ten Hag another year. The new structure at the club might finally allow us to see the best of him. 3 cup finals in 2 years under the Glazers isn't bad at all.

The only fear I have is, he might have lost the dressing room already and knowing these players they'll down tools by October next season, making it even more difficult to find a decent manager.
 
Read this on BBC just now:

  • They have faced 20 or more shots in each of their last six Premier League matches. Since such data was first recorded in 2003-04, only Blackpool have been on a longer such run in the division, spanning eight fixtures.
Wonder if we'll keep up the streak tonight?
 
The Hilton said:
If they do decide to keep him then at the very least some reflection is in order, even before posting "I'm not sure about this one".

If our highly rated and experienced new Technical Director, with access to much more information about our problems than we have, thinks that we're better off keeping the manager than pivoting to a new one, then there's likely at least some merit to the decision. Perhaps he's aware of some things that you aren't, or there are some things you hold to be true that he is aware aren't. Perhaps he doesn't apportion blame for some situations the same way you do. If you're going to write it off as wrong before genuinely considering why it might be, that just boils down to zealotry.

It works the same the other way as well. If Wilcox decides to part ways with ETH, then his supporters will need to accept that there's likely some solid reasoning behind it, rather than a reactionary knee-jerk.
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I mean, the use of "I'm not sure about this one" was intentional as it implies and allows latitude for whatever ends up being the decision to be "right". Of course he's going to be closer to the issue, of course he'll know more than fans on a forum do - does it make him infallible? no, does it minimise my doubts? not really, but reading zealotry or outright writing something off as "wrong" out of "not sure about this one" is your damage, not mine.

I'm guessing the disconnect is I don't hold "highly rated" or "experienced" to the same degree of faith others might. I believe I've seen you describe Ten Hag being of/having "excellent pedigree" previously, yet here we are.

I won't simply trust something, especially if conflicting with what I've observed over an extended period of time, because "highly rated/experienced said so" - I reserve the right to hold doubts/question ABC and voice so - it's one of the purposes of a forum. That doesn't translate into exaggerated notions of "Wilcox's a fraud!"

either way, this is becoming circular. If Wilcox decides to keep Ten Hag, you're free to trust said decision, I'll be taking notes to cook up my next agenda - so I'll see you in one of those threads :wenger: (I'm joking by the way)
 
Nori- said:
The problem is there aren't many good options for a new manager at the moment. A lot of managers with potential (To do well in the Prem) but your go to big names are mostly tied down or planning for the following summer.

I'd give Ten Hag another year. The new structure at the club might finally allow us to see the best of him. 3 cup finals in 2 years under the Glazers isn't bad at all.

The only fear I have is, he might have lost the dressing room already and knowing these players they'll down tools by October next season, making it even more difficult to find a decent manager.
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If they do insist on giving him another year, they'd have to be ruthless in binning some of the players who've essentially held the club to ransom and would be looking to undermine him.
 
The Purley King said:
Read this on BBC just now:

  • They have faced 20 or more shots in each of their last six Premier League matches. Since such data was first recorded in 2003-04, only Blackpool have been on a longer such run in the division, spanning eight fixtures.
Wonder if we'll keep up the streak tonight?
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And lost only against Chelsea ? That too from 2 brain fart moments. I don't agree with this approach of conceding too many shots but "faced shots " metrics isn't really a stat to judge us.
 
Why can't we sell these players who have seen off other managers and still appoint a new one. There seems to be a feeling we have to choose one or the other and shouldn't be like that
 
bond19821982 said:
And lost only against Chelsea ? That too from 2 brain fart moments. I don't agree with this approach of conceding too many shots but "faced shots " metrics isn't really a stat to judge us.
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1 win (Everton)
3 draws (Liverpool, Brentford, Bournemouth)
2 losses (Chelsea, City)

I agree its probably not the best statistic to track, but does show you what company we are keeping at the moment.
 
hobbers said:
How do people write this crap and how do more believe it? Have to be so ignorant of how football works to think a new technical director will swan into any club and immediately start dictating to the manager to play a different style of football.

Same as those who were saying ETH deserves a shot under Ashworth because he'll be the one 'deciding the playstyle' and ETH will be freed up to... ? Coach someone else's philosophy, apparently?

If they do not like how ETH sets us up then there's only one option - sack him and hire a manager with a philosophy and style that the executives want. Just like what City and Liverpool did.
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When SJR took over he did say that they would decide how they want United to play and they would recruit to make that happen.

so perhaps they already know how they want to play and he’s now delivered that message to ETH
 
LordSpud said:
Obviously. Look at Liverpool struggling too
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Yeah, it seems like the available option is probably yet another Ten Hag. Let the new regime come in give them a chance to decide on what our long term strategy is going to be, and then lob Ten Hag into a bin.
 
bond19821982 said:
And lost only against Chelsea ? That too from 2 brain fart moments. I don't agree with this approach of conceding too many shots but "faced shots " metrics isn't really a stat to judge us.
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It is when the opposition is getting to take 20-30 shots against you week in, week out. It screams that something isn’t right.

Ten Hag is relying on luck that the opposition don’t score more
 
croadyman said:
Why can't we sell these players who have seen off other managers and still appoint a new one. There seems to be a feeling we have to choose one or the other and shouldn't be like that
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I think people have just got used to us half arsing or ignoring problems, so the default now is we just do one thing at once.
 
hobbers said:
So long as you accept that the only way they can dictate the style of play is by hiring a head coach who plays that way.

Ashworth and Wilcox are directors, they dont understand the first thing about how to coach footballers to play possession football or transition football or whatever.
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Disagree. Look at what Wilcox did at Southampton. He set out his vision on how Southampton should play then he went and hired a head coach who could carry that out in Russell Martin. I would be surprised if the same thing doesn't happen at United. Ratcliffe has already said in an interview that the football structure will set the style of play at the club from the academy to the first team.
 
croadyman said:
Why can't we sell these players who have seen off other managers and still appoint a new one. There seems to be a feeling we have to choose one or the other and shouldn't be like that
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It's simply another excuse to keep EtH, nothing more than that. Logically it doesn't even make sense. Neither Ten Hag nor this new manager would be the ones to decide if half the squad gets sold.
 
Ratcliffe doesn't want to rush into a decision without the new football structure in place that much is clear, it's the only thing keeping ETH in a job.
 
Kaos said:
If they do insist on giving him another year, they'd have to be ruthless in binning some of the players who've essentially held the club to ransom and would be looking to undermine him.
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That should be done regardless, as the main order of business.
 
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