Probably worse premiership campaign yes but club’s history no we got relegated 50 years ago
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I'm aware mate which is why I said worst Premier League campaign.
The only reason some those players are still at the club, is because the club puts them on stupid contracts that nobody else will ever match so the players will never leave until they have no other option but to leave on a free.
That bolded is not really true. If you take out youth players that were at the club already that ETH has promoted, 5 out of the other 8 starters yesterday have been at the club since before he arrived. Only 7 of the players available yesterday were actually signed by ETH, the rest were youth players or signed before he arrived.
Genuinely think people are kidding themselves if they think much of this squad is of any use going forward, aside from the young players, Martinez, Onana, Mount, Hojlund and maybe Rashford. The rest lf the squad has no use beyond another year.
Yup, every manager we've had post Fergie should have been sacked multiple times over, and all of them would have been sacked much earlier if they had been in charge under similar circumstances at Real, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea, City, Juve, the Milan clubs, etc.
I'd give more credit to the players for that tbh
Go back to sleepWtf, I just woke up and see this guys still in the job
Chelsea have really set the world on fire since he left
Until tomorrow morning hopefully?
I don't disagree but I think that doesn't happen in a vacuum either. We end up giving some players inflated contracts to keep them or attract them because we've struggled so much in consistently qualifying for the CL the last decade.
Well, we've sold or released 20+ senior players since Ten Hag arrived. We only have about 10 players from Ole's last squad 2 years ago left. If that's not culling a squad then I don't know what is. Ten Hag's first choice XI with everyone fit would probably consist of at least 5 players who were already at the club when he came. That's his choice, he'd had enough time and money to buy virtually a new first XI if he'd wanted to.
So much turnover in the squad and bringing so many new players in, in such a short space of time hasn't really had the positive effect some hoped it would. It didn't work the last time we tried it to the same scale under Van Gaal either, when he was allowed to do similar.
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Maybe i'm insane, but i am not against giving ETH one season under the new structure if we are actually thinking of Potter or Southgate.
Arsenal fans are pissed off at Arteta for possibly bottling the title but in the meantime we have fans who want to reward this guy another year. Really unbelievable how low our standards have fallen.
I don’t want Potter, but he has a much better understanding of the Premier League than Ten Hag.
I’d rather we sack him tomorrow and bring in Ruud as Interim coach, his ego will make him think he can get 7 or 8 wins and get the job full time.
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Still gutted about your Camel Dung sellers not buying the club?
Do not bother to lie.
If Potter couldn't hack it at Chelsea, how's he going to hack it at Utd?
I don't understand how he can set us up much better last season especially in midfield compared to this season's dross. Maybe it's just certain personnel carrying us through - a fitter Casemiro and Martinez were certainly a big help.
His overall transfer business is the worst part of his tenure though.
My biggest concern if we let him go (aside from his replacement) is the risk that we get another season of underperformers staying on when really, I'd like to see us sell most of our squad especially the top earners.
His overall transfer business is the worst part of his tenure though.
My biggest concern if we let him go (aside from his replacement) is the risk that we get another season of underperformers staying on when really, I'd like to see us sell most of our squad especially the top earners.
Meh, i think at this point ETH knows enough. Potter failed at Chelsea and i see too many similarities between us and Chelsea. However, i as everyone else am hoping those similarities in bad recruitment are eliminated under INEOS. So maybe it would be different for him.
I don’t think Arsenal fans want Arteta out but West Ham fans are increasingly annoyed with Moyes and they are pretty much in the same exact spot as us - well off top 4, some decent one off results and a trophy last season that didn’t seem to cloud their judgment nearly as much as League Cup (an inferior trophy) has for United fans and board. We have lower standards than West Ham.
Ah yes, all those examples of partial takeovers in the latter half of a season changing the fortunes of teams..
Jesus wept. Rome wasnt built in a day.
I never understood this argument to be honest, although it is being constantly brought up. Maybe you could explain the thinking here and the evidence to back it up? My counterarguments are:
1. With new footballing structure on top of manager this decisions will not be up to manager anyway, so the extent of possible clear out should not be that dependent on the manager.
2. Even under “old” structure we had sizeable clear outs in the first few windows under all of LvG, Jose and Ole. There is no evidence that everyone automatically got a chance under new manager. If anything it was often the case that new manager was happy to get rid of previous manager’s signings, like Jose got rid of several of LvG’s signings which would have likely stayed had LvG not been sacked. In this case my guess is that the new manager would be more willing to get rid of the likes of Antony (FFP permitting) then EtH. ETH would likely hold on to him hoping he comes good since if Antony sold at a huge loss - it would make EtH look bad.
3. Yes, you could argue that clear outs were not big enough, but a big clear out of 10+ players is unrealistic anyway, be it under EtH or new manager.
4. The likes of Rashford and Shaw are among our top earners and they signed new contract under EtH so with his blessing. Some of top earners like Casemiro were signed under him. Do you really think he is more likely to push to get rid of them than new manager?
In short, people act as if EtH is some sort of a guarantor of a continued clear out, more so than new footballing people or new manager. I just completely fail to see the evidence/logic behind that
Standards have been gradually lowered for over a decade culminating with where we're at now. It hasn't been sudden.
And yes, West Ham fans rightfully want rid of Moyes. Crazy that our own standards were already rock bottom when a EL Final and a 2nd place finish were the holy grail. West Ham actually won a European cup last season, and are on course for a much better league finish than last season. Yet, their fans aren't deluded enough to think that makes everything rosy. Our fans have been passive and meek for a long, long time now.
How long do you think that would take?
Give your head a wobble - how are INEOS group supposed to act when the structure they are trying to put in place is getting put together? Failing to deliver after 5 minutes in the job for Christ sake. What have they promised you that you haven’t seen yet out of interest?
What reason do we have to believe that him staying somehow changes that? Especially if we also think transfer business has been the worst part of his tenure. After spending 400 million we have just as many if not more underperformers on big wages.
We are not selling most of our squad. It is not happening either way.
Has never bottled a Premier League #respec
1 + 2. When a new manager comes in there's a chance they give our supposedly great but inconsistent players another season to prove their worth, no? Happy to be proven wrong. Off the top of my head Rooney would have been sold if SAF stayed, Pogba and Martial under Mourinho.
3. Don't think I said that as that'd be unrealistic based on historical market trends, although I'd already be scouting and potentially tapping up replacements for most of the first team.
4. Based on his transfer record, I would drastically reduce ETH's role on to influencer in the RACI matrix. if he cannot accept that role he should leave.
I don't see it as a guarantee but more an increase in probability. I really want to see us clear-out many of our bigger players that a new manager may want to hold onto just because he doesn't know enough about the player (ability, adaptability, chemistry, personality etc.). I see it as a reason why we don't sell well. Of course, this is all conjecture since we don't know what INEOS's plans are for the summer, or if a really good manager becomes available (no, Southgate and Potter do not count).
Edit: I just re-read my earlier post and I guess I should clarify that the clear-out/rebuild would realistically take a couple of seasons.
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Agreed, we seemed to have standards of an EL quality team for years where achieving top 4 was considered success but it has now eroded to a point where we have virtually no standards at all anymore, not even of a decent mid-table side because even they expect to see decent, organized, consistent football. We are happy with basically anything now, no expectations whatsoever.
It's been a wild ride since Fergie retired, but feck me, I never expected a fanbase with such high standards - a decade later- would now gleefully accept the mediocrity we've seen in that timeframe.
I was a fan of Potter at Brighton.
IIRC, he came across as slightly defeatist in his interviews at Chelsea which was not a good look for a manager at a big club.
But at the time of his sacking, I thought he was turning things around, Chelsea were playing better but where not taking their chances.
I would assume he learned a lot from that spell as Chelsea manager and would come back a better manager.
If ( and its a big If ) we sack ETH then I would not mind giving Potter a chance.
IIRC, he came across as slightly defeatist in his interviews at Chelsea which was not a good look for a manager at a big club.
But at the time of his sacking, I thought he was turning things around, Chelsea were playing better but where not taking their chances.
I would assume he learned a lot from that spell as Chelsea manager and would come back a better manager.
If ( and its a big If ) we sack ETH then I would not mind giving Potter a chance.
Erik allowed our midfield to be over run.
Not for the first time.
I understand we have injuries.
But why play players who simply cannot tackle or hold the midfield.
Not for the first time.
I understand we have injuries.
But why play players who simply cannot tackle or hold the midfield.
I must have missed the bit where SJR said this would all be sorted by the end of the season.
You know structure (the one you want) takes them, effort and money. It was never going to be done ina few months. Why should they tell anyone how this is going, given the need to act discreetly and professionally. They can’t win with people who expect everyone to say yes when United click their fingers.
Remember where Xabi Alonso is within 18 months of joining Leverkusen and look at our manager
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I told you not to lie.
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