Keep him and build a proper structure around him. It's pointless changing managers every two years.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Cody Rhodes finished his story and ten Hag should to.
Haven't we already done that?
We only have about 10 players left who played under Ralf.
I have no real idea what ETH is doing these days but these players have shown they can throw numerous managers under the bus so which one is it ?
Its already been shown a different manager with these same players will end up at the same place.
I think the manager and the players have failed this season, so im not even sure what the solution is as you cannot get rid of both.
Its already been shown a different manager with these same players will end up at the same place.
I think the manager and the players have failed this season, so im not even sure what the solution is as you cannot get rid of both.
You’re adding to my point. My point is that we’re better than 7th or 8th. We should be hitting at least top 4. That we’re not is on the manager
My point is we've players that have let us down under numerous managers not that all the players have played for all the managers.
Minus the final season where Jose felt betrayed by the board, I think the matches and the results where mostly entertaining under him.
Either United should have their own identity and way of playing and hire managers suitable for that profile or hire managers and let the team play as per the manager's vision and sign players suitable for the particular style of play.
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Still a lot of players who got to be moved on. The recruitment process has not been good as well. It’s plenty of work to be done.
The real question for me is if we believe EtH to be part of this rebuild. Has enough credit in the bank if you just don’t base it on this season?
It’s not for me or us to answer that question. Ineos has to figure that out and act accordingly.
Certainly agree
We’ve got such a miss match of talent, physicality and attitude.
McT has the power and attitude by way short in abilitiy and speed
Maguire has some physical attributes (strength but no speed) and the right attitude but not the ability (for the game we hope to play)
Eriksen has the ability but zero physical attributes
Rashford has the ability but falls way short in terms of attitude and physicality.
you could go on and on. Throughout the squad. There’s very few that can marry them all up.
we are in desperate need for physical (pace and power) players with the right attitude and a good abilitiy
I'm starting to lose faith in him.
We're still playing like we did in the first game of the season against Wolves.
Gaps all over the pitch.
It's hasn't been fun this season watching United get outplayed by a majority of teams in the league.
The way the team is set up we are way too easy play against. And the issues from last season of not being able to create many chances is still there.
We're still playing like we did in the first game of the season against Wolves.
Gaps all over the pitch.
It's hasn't been fun this season watching United get outplayed by a majority of teams in the league.
The way the team is set up we are way too easy play against. And the issues from last season of not being able to create many chances is still there.
In what world do we win the FA Cup?
have none of you seen how shit we are?
Whether it’s Chelsea or City we will not beat them the manager isn’t good enough to.
We only made a game of it against Chelsea due to chaos football and still found a way to lose.
City would routinely wipe their arses with us this isn’t like Liverpool where they would miss chances they have Haaland ffs who Would finish every one of the chances Liverpool had.
I’d be surprised if we made it through against Coventry, what a story for them that’s enough for them to raise their game and we aren’t good enough to even play well against the lower half of the table so we won’t be shoe in to beat them.
Make the change now and the bounce may get us a few results in what is left.
Set up defensively, drop the under performers like Rashford Casemiro etc , focus on being hard to beat scam a couple of counter attacking results with Mainoo, Garnacho Antony Mount and Hojlund in teh line up.
This way we can actually start recruiting the manager now than late in the summer post Euros and start the build under INEOS with Wilcox , Berrada .
have none of you seen how shit we are?
Whether it’s Chelsea or City we will not beat them the manager isn’t good enough to.
We only made a game of it against Chelsea due to chaos football and still found a way to lose.
City would routinely wipe their arses with us this isn’t like Liverpool where they would miss chances they have Haaland ffs who Would finish every one of the chances Liverpool had.
I’d be surprised if we made it through against Coventry, what a story for them that’s enough for them to raise their game and we aren’t good enough to even play well against the lower half of the table so we won’t be shoe in to beat them.
Make the change now and the bounce may get us a few results in what is left.
Set up defensively, drop the under performers like Rashford Casemiro etc , focus on being hard to beat scam a couple of counter attacking results with Mainoo, Garnacho Antony Mount and Hojlund in teh line up.
This way we can actually start recruiting the manager now than late in the summer post Euros and start the build under INEOS with Wilcox , Berrada .
Right so you are just making a point about footballers in general then, fair enough. If so I agree footballers don't play well under a manager who set's them up to fail in a system that doesn't suit them and/or isn't good enough to coach them to the level that is needed.
You get rid of both. But getting rid of players will take years. We could make a good start this Summer. Replace them with young and hungry players with the right mentality.
Not really. It's true he was sacked but replacing him with Tuchel pretty much made no difference at all and by now everone at Bayern understands that the squad building has been the bigger problem, not the manager as such. Which is why they sacked both their CEO and their DoF in the summer after they decided to sack Nagelsmann. Also there are rumours that they are interested in bringing Nagelsmann back, so for Bayern sacking Nagelsmann is seen as more or less of a mistake.
OK but we need to move players on every summer, especially when we change manager. Most of Ten Hags signings would/should be top of the list.
But how many times do we need to turn the squad over before we accept maybe the manager is the problem?
A league cup win off the back of a relatively easy run shouldn't excuse the calamity that this season has been.
The seasons been atrocious and I can’t really argue with anyone who wants him out at this point, nor do I think Ten Hag can complain much.
However I don’t have the same feeling I did at the end of Moyes, Van Gaal, Solskjaer, Rangnick’s time. I’d be interested to see how he’d do working closely with a sporting director and streamlining his role to effectively just coaching, developing young players and picking the team.
That said if it didn’t work out and he needed to go by October/November then Ineos are putting themselves into a very bad position
I don’t particularly want Nagelsmann. But his sacking was indeed very harsh as I recall. Didn’t he get to the CL semis (and win the league) in his first season and then get sacked in the second season while they were set to reach the semis of the CL again? Could be wrong here
Genuinely the only thing left this season is to avoid embarrassing ourselves in the FA Cup, either at the hands of Coventry or in the final, and get the league games boxed off. We've thrown as big a spanner in the scouser's works as we could have, but there is nothing left for us this year. Zero.
The manager looks utterly fecked and I'd drive about 15 of these players to the airport myself. The only ray of light in this mess is that we have new people leading the football rebuild than the previous times the club has been in this state towards the end of a season.
Unfortunately after this year you either need to get rid of the manager or at least ten players to have a proper clean break. The latter isn't going to happen so once again the manager has to carry the can. What I will say is I'll take savage pleasure in any heads rolling after this particular season as the football has been indescribably bad this year, worse than any time post-Fergie for such a sustained period.
The manager looks utterly fecked and I'd drive about 15 of these players to the airport myself. The only ray of light in this mess is that we have new people leading the football rebuild than the previous times the club has been in this state towards the end of a season.
Unfortunately after this year you either need to get rid of the manager or at least ten players to have a proper clean break. The latter isn't going to happen so once again the manager has to carry the can. What I will say is I'll take savage pleasure in any heads rolling after this particular season as the football has been indescribably bad this year, worse than any time post-Fergie for such a sustained period.
My thoughts exactly there are managers out there who can do better than him,not going to say get more out of the players because many need to go
The main problem has been the structure of the club. It’s already shaping up under Ineos. Look away from us good at earning money, the sporting structure has been poor at almost every aspect. The youth setup has been one of the better things, not perfect, but still high class.
It will take time to change the sporting structure. Manager, management, players, departments and probably other things need adjusting and/or replacing. No one is safe at this point, but I just don’t know if EtH got what it takes under the new structure.
I am not going to judge him based on a house of cards. That’s Ineos job. If they believe he can do it under a better structure, fine, if not, that’s okay too.
Out of interest - what is the ideal part actually? I mean, what difference does it make if he gets the sack now or after the season? Or did I miss something about us having lined up a successor already?
I see where you are coming from but I think it is obvious that the bolded line of thought is exactly one of the main reasons how we ended up with the squad we have now.And to all the posters saying "ok the manager might be an issue but what about the players!" ..... How many times have you seen players underperform under a manager that's not good enough? What exactly are your expectations in that scenario?
From the moment you accept the manager is not good enough you have to accept the effect this will have had on the players. That goes for past, present and future.
The scorched earth stuff is corny as feck at this point. Sort the manager out first then assess the players and any incumbent manager should be aiding those decisions - quite frankly a lot of redcafe come across as clueless on this point. Sound like KG from United View
I agree with you about the setup. It certainly isn't a good outlook on ETH to be that passive and unwilling or unable to adapt. I have lost faith in him as well so this is not about me trying to defend him - the question is, how can you be so sure about the players? Another setup wouldn't make Casemiro younger, Bruno a better CM, Rashford a more rounded player or our backline less injury prone. I think, what many on here are trying to get into is what Ole did: find a simple gameplan that maximizes the effect of the best players in the squad. Which is good in principle, I get that, but the whole Ole reign also showed that this exactly is not going to cut it anymore. Sure, we can beat our rivals here and there with sitting deep and counter attacks, catch them off guard, but at some point, United has to make the next step in football evolution. Increase collective gameplan, synchronization - right now, it feels as if we are 10 years behind the curve. ETH made a bit of a mess out of this step, also wasn't really helped with so many off-field stuff and injuries but that shouldn't be taken as proof against the step itself. We've seen how comfortable fecking Bournemouth was on the ball yesterday. How they moved around and played football. When we have the ball it is always instant panic mode.
I am fine getting rid of ETH, but this whole, lets give the players a chance with a good setup - this is exactly what we did the last 10 years.
Fully agree with your posts.
Completely agree those players need to be sold (bet Rashford & Bruno aren't) but at the same time still feel we need to appoint a new manager not called Southgate or Potter.
I am finally out of patience with EtH.
Why is so stubborn that he can't see the gaps all over the pitch? Can't we just shut shop for once?
All the cryptic emojis posted by Garnacho and Anad must be in response to The special treatment Rashford gets Radshford has been garbage yet it's Garnacho that gets subbed ..mind boggling.
I really don't know what the solution is either way. Ineos must be wondering what the hell have we got ourselves!!!
Why is so stubborn that he can't see the gaps all over the pitch? Can't we just shut shop for once?
All the cryptic emojis posted by Garnacho and Anad must be in response to The special treatment Rashford gets Radshford has been garbage yet it's Garnacho that gets subbed ..mind boggling.
I really don't know what the solution is either way. Ineos must be wondering what the hell have we got ourselves!!!
Yeah was gutted when he rejected them,why don't INEOS just approach the reps of Nagelsmann, Inzaghi, Enrique, Tuchel, Motta and De Zerbi just to see if they are open to idea
The more we blame everything on the manager the more we move away from the root cause of our players letting us down under numerous managers
Eg Rashford for instance played well under this manager and had his best season. This season he can't be bothered to run in some games. Is that a player fault or a manager fault?
It's the players fault but it's ETHs fault for continuously picking him
Look I'm not saying everything is the players, the manager obviously has to take a massive part of the blame as well. But it seems that the managers get sacked and the Rashford, Mctominays, maguires etc have been here for years and they just aren't good enough or have the right mentality to play for united get new contracts.
There isn't 1 factor that will fix this. It's multiple factors and unless we go to address them all, it's pointless task just to address 1.
Mark my words, if we sack ETH and bring in a new manager but next season we regularly line up with Rashford, Bruno, mctominay & Maguire. We will be a shambles again
Forget Chelsea or City, we are not beating Coventry.
Why go after him?
It’s perhaps not clear that I want all of them to go, EtH included.
Is this the worst GD we’ve ever had at this stage of the season?
Yes, because those managers and the hierarchy above them have undisputably not been good enough, a double whammy....
I actually don't mind him unless the incumbent manager wants him gone, which will likely be the case anyway... He's a proven manager and assistant manager (from our most successful period). We have no idea how effective our ineffective he's been...
Club won't trust Mclaren to be interim for this last month of the season I am certain of that
And to all the posters saying "ok the manager might be an issue but what about the players!" ..... How many times have you seen players underperform under a manager that's not good enough? What exactly are your expectations in that scenario?
From the moment you accept the manager is not good enough you have to accept the effect this will have had on the players. That goes for past, present and future.
The scorched earth stuff is corny as feck at this point. Sort the manager out first then assess the players and any incumbent manager should be aiding those decisions - quite frankly a lot of redcafe come across as clueless on this point. Sound like KG from United View
I don’t need to “assess” whether Bruno or Rashford are capable of being on top level teams, much less Lindelof and McTominay. I’ve watched all of them for 5+ seasons under 3+ managers.
Ten Hah is an abomination. Many of these players need to be culled. Both are true.
Just a matter of time until he is sacked. Cant come soon enough, absolute pain with every passing hour.
He is an absolute dickhead and a cnut to boot. Get this useless prick out of here. I felt a bit sorry for Moyes, not for him though.
He is an absolute dickhead and a cnut to boot. Get this useless prick out of here. I felt a bit sorry for Moyes, not for him though.
OK so who would you want and can't say Erik that is the condition of answering this question
Well duh' those players have been picked by "those managers and the hierarchy above them" as well. You act as if those things have to be exclusive but to me it is obvious that we are failing in every aspect. Yet some people are seemingly fine with taking the players out of the spotlight giving them chances after chances hoping they will turn into modern players which most of them simply do not have the skillset for.
You? I'm talking about the people that matter... Ineos and their appointments.
I was actually going to post "Give it to Schteve!"
Thing is, these issues are related, but for some reason a lot of you fail to accept that and would rather make the rebuild more difficult and costly than it needs to be because of reasons that seem to amount to "I don't like players"
What's so problematic with leaving the people Ineos hire to do their jobs? If the players are in fact useless and surplus then Ineos and the incumbent manager will get them out right?
Not getting sacked in the week to a semi final but a defeat next week in semi final then he leaves.
I don’t understand this disdain. If anything I respect Ten Hag for coming in and seeming like a real manager and not deranged, ego driven or a wet flannel. He’s not been good enough and should probably be leaving soon one way or another, but I don’t despise him because he hasn’t been good enough, especially with the set up we have.
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