Has there been a manager that’s divided the support so much before? Can’t remember it being like this with the others
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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It was way worse with Ole and Mourinho
Is he divisive? My impression is the vast majority want him gone.
Ole and Jose were way worse. There's only about 4 or 5 staunchly defending ETH on here. Ole and Jose had far more supporters.
This.
The few backing him are very vocal. The last 10 odd pages are literally 3 or 4 posters posting a lot of posts defending him. They're the minority.
You don’t find it alarming watching him get out coached by an entire league of managers? Really? The breakdown of the Brentford game is gut-wrenchingly bad in a sea of appalling tactical performances.
So you can claim he's a "terrible signing"? Back in November as well
Yes? I believe he's a terrible signing, I was giving the poster the benefit of the doubt to see his justification by ignoring the financial implications of the Mount transfer. Regardless of how much Mount has played or not, I believe he's a terrible signing because the money could have been spent in more important positions, we did not need another #8. I don't know how you're viewing this as a "gotcha". You actually went through my post history to make no point whatsoever, a bit sad honestly.
I don't mind ETH personally BUT it's not for us fans to decide, that's for the INEOS board, the CEO and the sporting departments at United.
We need Dan Ashworth in place first, signed and in the job to make the decision with all other decision makers. If United identify a blueprint to how we want to play, and ETH doesn't fit that then we sack him.
We can't just pull the trigger preemptively without the sporting side in place first. At that point doesn't matter if fans like the coach or hate them. It's down to a clear philosophy and culture that the club needs to build.
Sentiment or popularity has nothing to do with it.
Ten Hag will get sacked for the same reasons Ole did, but the players will go nowhere and we’ll wonder why the standards for wearing a United shirt have turned to shite.
You said the mount transfer was a waste of money. @Berbaclass called it out ages ago if I'm not mistaken.A reminder of the post that you believe says I'm writing off the ENTIRETY of Mount's fee.
Again making statements up in your head for the umpteenth time.
With the audacity to lecture me on the English language (and get promptly put back in your place)
Also, to use the entirety of the transfer as a waste when trying to argue it was more of an overspend is just rather funny. I'm really assuming English isn't your first language. That's the only way it would really make sense.
Can you explain how he gets outcoached by every single manager in the league? What were his tactics and how did the opposing manager counter those tactics?
Not relevant at that point. The performance at Brentford was so dire, so awful, I believe it is relevant now. Frankly, it should be active all the time.
That will be on INEOS. If they can't identify football talent (players and manager) then we're gonna stay in this miserable state. If they are competent then we have a chance that the wasters will be identified and moved on.
I'd love to see what Thomas Frank could do with this United side right now - an actual reactive coach as opposed to the completely unreactive and dull manager we have now.
It’s over for him, we all know it and it’s been that way for sometime, the vast majority have left the denial phase and have entered the living with it phase that we are getting a new manager.
The football is horrendous, the set up is worse, the defensive pattern is just hangman.
The football is horrendous, the set up is worse, the defensive pattern is just hangman.
I was in support of Mount at the time. Not afraid to admit it. I thought he could play next to Casemiro in the Eriksen role in a 4-2-3-1 and provide cover for Bruno and the LF/RF. Thought it was too much money, but he was legitimately good for Chelsea for 2 seasons
Wow, still repeating the same nonsense.
I literally quoted the post that started the conversation and you still don't get it.
Like I said keep digging. Just making yourself look more and more ridiculous.
ETH tactics: unorganised high press. Low defensive line. Huge gaps in midfield.
Every manager in the league: Pass ball and progress through unorganised press. Easy route to Man Utd penalty box and 20+ attempts to score.
Absolutely, the football this season has been woeful. The Brentford game was the last straw for me, pure humiliation.
Absolutely not. This thread has imploded on itself. Nothing said hasn’t been said before. The monotony holds zero interest to me. You’re welcome to sift through my catalogue of posts in here for the answers though. I think at one time I cared enough to talk about tactical failings. Not anymore.
Mount will be a very top player for us next season under a manager who knows what he is doing. I think it’s unfair to write him off.
As well as being poor tactically, the fitness issues have been really poorly handled by the current set-up.
We will be happy to have Mount next season.
As well as being poor tactically, the fitness issues have been really poorly handled by the current set-up.
We will be happy to have Mount next season.
This, and expose United's biggest weakness imo - United players do not track back as a team. We've seen multiple occasions of players walking during a counter.
There's literally just few people defending him, and I wouldn't be surprised if probably half of them are paid to defend him by United, Ten Hag or something similar.
Love how there's nothing left to argue about in ETH's favour so we've now moved on to debating whether Mount has any value.
Currently Mount has cost us about £120k per minute of football and £73m per goal. And if Ten Hag were to somehow stay next season he wont get a kick even if he stays fit. #VALUE
Currently Mount has cost us about £120k per minute of football and £73m per goal. And if Ten Hag were to somehow stay next season he wont get a kick even if he stays fit. #VALUE
Do you work for Sky Sports or something?
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So excellent performances against top sides in high stakes games aren’t relevant too see if they might change people’s minds a bit?
Don’t get me wrong I’m sure Brentford has brought everyone back down. Myself included.
Don't be so naive. The manager faces the consequences when he demands a centre back the following season and he realises the budget has been wasted.
I hope so too. For me the litmus test for whether the Glazers are meddling on the football side will be departures more so than arrivals
How do you know he won’t get a kick if he’s fit?
And you spew ignorant garbage for free
This is a by product of the massive space Utd leave in midfield. We ask our midfielders and forwards to make repeated high intensity sprints over distance and it just isn't sustainable. We saw that against Liverpool were after the first 30 mins the midfield was gassed and really didn't recover until the last 10 and extra time. We end up with fans thinking that the players are being lazy when it is the tactics in large part making them look that way.
Insane tactical set up and approach, how can you consistently sign players with mediocre physical attributes then play a wide open chaotic game. The only time Utd have any possession control is when Onana is standing on the ball for 30 seconds.
Ole never had a season like this though. Had he not been sacked in November in 21/22 then he wouldn’t have had any defenders left by this stage (assuming performances continued at “Ten Hag” level).
Pressing is just a part of the defensive set up in the system and there’s more to it than just chasing the ball. Some players are tasked with chasing the ball and some are tasked with marking and cutting off passing options. This isn’t supposed to be chaotic it’s the basics of defending higher up the pitch. Both de Zerbi and Amorim, two of the more popular replacement candidates will ask the players to do the exact same things, as do most modern progressive systems. Now, if you’ve actually coached at any levels you’ll know accommodating for laziness is a very slippery slope. One more time, he’ll rightfully get sacked if his players are unmotivated, but it won’t be his tactics.
Ole also never reached 75 points or won a trophy in 3 years.
It's not just the midfield though, it's the entire team. You then compound the problem by playing Eriksen, Evans, Maguire, Lindelof etc - attackers just waltz past these guys.
There's still an opportunity to drop Rashford for the rest of the season and play him instead. I wonder if he'll take it.
Eth has almost certainly demonstrated his ceiling. Winning a title at Ajax is likely with competitive equivalence paramount to being 8-10th in the league. Various managers have already spoken about the intensity of the league from the very best of this era including Guardiola and Klopp.
The notion is that a new structure will improve the manager but the issue tactically is the philosophy. Those saying the players aren't capable of implementing the system fail to do two things; first is to suggest and recommend the specific individuals that can in the market and secondly not observing the situation objectively, the midfield consist of one of the best defensive midfielders of this recent generation and one of the best creative players by way of output in the league in Bruno. What players are going to come in and drastically suit the managers agenda for how this team plays. Even a prime Kante would get decimated trying to cover the exploited spaces.
The only way Erik will resemble some form of success performance wise is by ditching what he's doing and reverting to some type of coaching fundamentals for what a team should be able to do and that's progress the ball from defense to midfield, have spaces covered in the transition so that the team isn't exposed and formulate a decisive plan in the attack so the goals are attributed across both the strikers and the wider players. This is the remit for a successful modern manager at a big club. The blending of United's traditional ideology with a high press has been the foundation that has single handedly undone the entire season.
I think many fans are in for a rude awakening when this problem proves to be something United can't buy their way out of. The team has played poorly realistically for around a year now, that's not something that's easily deflected.
The notion is that a new structure will improve the manager but the issue tactically is the philosophy. Those saying the players aren't capable of implementing the system fail to do two things; first is to suggest and recommend the specific individuals that can in the market and secondly not observing the situation objectively, the midfield consist of one of the best defensive midfielders of this recent generation and one of the best creative players by way of output in the league in Bruno. What players are going to come in and drastically suit the managers agenda for how this team plays. Even a prime Kante would get decimated trying to cover the exploited spaces.
The only way Erik will resemble some form of success performance wise is by ditching what he's doing and reverting to some type of coaching fundamentals for what a team should be able to do and that's progress the ball from defense to midfield, have spaces covered in the transition so that the team isn't exposed and formulate a decisive plan in the attack so the goals are attributed across both the strikers and the wider players. This is the remit for a successful modern manager at a big club. The blending of United's traditional ideology with a high press has been the foundation that has single handedly undone the entire season.
I think many fans are in for a rude awakening when this problem proves to be something United can't buy their way out of. The team has played poorly realistically for around a year now, that's not something that's easily deflected.
What specifically are his tactics?
Yeah I was frustrated as soon as the links began to pop up a year ago, because I thought it was quite obvious we needed another combative 6/8 considering how stark the difference in our team play was with and without Casemiro last season. Instead we went for a completely different profile in our attempt to change shape and it's backfired horribly
I'd say given the current state of results/performances over the entire season, he has far more support than any other manager we have had post SAF.
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