I like Antony for this; he‘s a character with proper spirit. It is fecking hilarious though.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Yeah, I don't like most of my fellow fans since around the time Mourinho went on his Sevilla rant. The fan base has been pretty divided over managers ever since.
It was easy with SAF. We had an untouchable manager who you might have disagreed with some of his actions/decisions, but ultimately knew he would get it right 90% of the time.
The only ones who shed more bitter tears than the Scousers were the Erik haters.
Getting 75 points and a league cup isnt a very good season. No its not zero perspective. We've spent 400 mil under his tenure and have regressed from that season. Being spanked 7-0 by Liverpool and broken new negative records. We are parody of Rawk who at least managed a title challenge twice and made 2 cl finals wining one.
Exactly what I was getting at mate.
I actually think the complex a lot of fans carry around from supporting United during our ‘Glory hunter phase’ impacts certain parts of the fanbase massively today m. As you say it was easy to support United for 20+ years.
Such as?
@Zehner .
I think this wonderful post from one of the Sancho threads deserves another outing today. . . [I’ve removed the middle paragraph as it’s in particular Sancho focused] but this sums up the fanbase perfectly on a day like today.
I think this wonderful post from one of the Sancho threads deserves another outing today. . . [I’ve removed the middle paragraph as it’s in particular Sancho focused] but this sums up the fanbase perfectly on a day like today.
It literally is zero perspective
Today I learned there is a tribal and illogical nature to sports fandom. You have opened my eyes to a brand new world.
What did I do now?Today I learned there is a tribal and illogical nature to sports fandom. You have opened my eyes to a brand new world.
I’m just tired of when we win a game, people pop up to take a jab at fellow fans. Likewise when we lose one, people take pops at each other.
Whole post game has been, ‘I was right’ instead of enjoying a phenomenal win.
Ole finished 2nd. Mourinho finished 2nd. Lvg finished 5th and the FA cup. We fired him. We are now in 2024.
Wow. Talk about agenda.
Im not sure whether this is a Man Utd forum. The league cup is a big trophy for Swansea.
75 is quite a good points total for a first season. Why bring in the 400 mil total spend when he didn't spend that in his first season?
On the flip side, for the second season - you can use the full 400m in the argument but more importantly, we're on track for 63 points at our current PPG this season. For context Moyes managed more (64). Some of it is injuries but let's see. We might go on a run and get 70+ points, a CL finish and maybe a cup - that'll give him enough credibility to go another year atleast. Or we remain inconsistent and get to 65 pts and finish 6th. That's sack worthy for me.
Ye because Ole knew that to beat city you had to sit deep and counter with pace and him playing under Fergie in some of the best counter attacking teams he knew how to set up. ETH will now know that to beat Liverpool you play them at their own game. Press them and attack quickly.
Well spending 400 mil and having us behind Aston Villa and just above West Ham in March is hardly the stuff of legends.
Brilliant! Ole and Mourinho was fired in their third full seasons. That we overachieved last season is fact rather than opinion.
I am too happy from yesterday to engage in this. Agree to disagree.
I never felt vindicated by yesterday’s results because I don’t feel like anything I’ve said in here needs vindicating. Those responses are due to the fact that some of the posters in here seem to care more about being vindicated than the success of the club they claim to support. They have earned those call outs and long may they continue to be called out.
I mean, in the end you can't get along with/convince everybody. There are lots of ignorant one liners in this forum but it ruins your own experience when you let yourself be triggered by them all the time. You'll find yourself in a lot more frustating discussions so I try to ignore them now (with varying success, admittedly
)It's decent. People get too extreme both ways about it. Ole got 74 and an european final and people still wanted him gone because there wasn't enough progress. It's enough credit in the bank to finish this season, but unless he goes on to beat city in the cup final, I think the writingis still on the wall.
If he manages to get us top 4 and the cup then fair play to him and the team.
There were points yesterday though where we were basically walking and didn’t look like we had any clue.
Credit where credits due his subs were fantastic. That was something he did really well last season which has almost completely disappeared this time around. We looked the more dangerous from scoring the second onwards.
Innit.
Not everyone can feel the Liverpool rivalry. Most United fans are giddy because it means so much as side from yesterday's game being pure box office and all. Perhaps the most exciting game I've seen for 20 years plus.
You’re wrong
The decade of damage done by the Glazers since Ferguson retired will be no short term fix by INEOS it will likely take years to be competitive and a consistent top team again with plenty of transfer window business required.
That result yesterday could be sliding doors moment for Ten Hag, a good first season for him and this season has been hampered by injuries and remains to be seen how he does if and when the club gets proper structures in truth few would have done much better with the cards he's been dealt with.
That result yesterday could be sliding doors moment for Ten Hag, a good first season for him and this season has been hampered by injuries and remains to be seen how he does if and when the club gets proper structures in truth few would have done much better with the cards he's been dealt with.
Anyone who talks for or against has an agenda. Doesn't take away from the fact yesterday was an iconic match.
It isn't though.
I'm happy for the win but the majority of the 2nd half was atrocious and I am just miffed that we can't seem to control or at the very least resist being dominated on the ball, I just hate seeing us being dominated not only by the likes of City and Liverpool, even smaller teams tend to dominate us and it's really not because of style of play, i think it's mainly the tactics and instructions on how to deal with situations when the team is out of possession and what to do when the team regains possession, those are the moments that allows a team to dominate and control or at the very least resist being dominated too much, we don't press in the right way and when we get the ball back we lose it right away!!
About?
Who said you needed vindication? You seem pre-occupied by it if I’m honest.
I don’t get why that post got you especially if you’d read my posts after game.
Agenda or a poor take?
Playing with 2 defenders in the last part of the game is a one off situation, we need to see what he does in the upcoming games
It is, and the fact that you personally disagree actually further entrenches it as a fact. Your spout nonsense - get proven wrong - double down - get proven wrong again cycle is boring.
That's not how facts work
It clearly isn't though, that's not how subjectivity works.
I admit I'm wrong all the time, when i actually am wrong. But again you proclaiming that I'm wrong about something when I wasn't doesn't make it a fact.
Indeed what to about them is another issue, one that for the main part seems to have been ignored by ETH and that is the only issue which concerns me
Would he though? maybe if we started the season like that, but after being so wide open (and as the ETH devoted keep telling us ravaged by injuries), I for one and I suspect the majority of fans would be happier to see ETH play a system which gave us some modicum of control and did not leave us wide open, every team will face injuries to key players, having a manger who ignores this or is unable to adapt is very worrying for the near and far future, I would have much more support and respect for a manager who maximises what he has using the best set up match by match, long term I want us to be dominating and exciting in attack, short term I recognise we just have to make the best of it.
Like I said history would suggest that approach is seriously flawed, unless you are Man City, in addition we are not normally able to score more than 1 or 2 goals, let alone regularly score 4 which is why we have lost so many, or have been clinging on for dear life even when we have scored 4, any team we play who takes a more measured approach and is capable of defending will put a spanner in the works, yesterday Liverpool were far too cavalier, had they been more conservative things would have been worse for us, we have a zero GD hardly suggesting we are capable of reliably outscoring other teams.
And finished (2nd half) like we have forgotten how to play football, Liverpool played to our strengths, we had a great 35 ish minutes and then were abject shite until the 85th minute, there are only so many times we can hang on and punch back, it is just my opinion that we have been extremely lucky to get wins (except Everton) in games against relatively poor opposition since the turn of the year, if you think we have played well and have deserved wins then we are poles apart, and I wish you well
Let's remain sane in all this. No way this was the most 'exciting' game for us I last 20 years.
Probably you've not seen every game for us in the last 20 years or you meant game you've seen live.
Even Brentford game this season was more dramatic than this Liverpool game in pure drama.
Some sexy colours this thread
Yesterday was my first United game. It's Liverpool, we beat them in the last seconds. Can't you feel the difference between this and Brentford?
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