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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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You forgot Harry Maguire up frontIf I don't see this lineup for the next game, I'm not watching:
Didn't get to react properly yesterday on here, but man, Crossy must have been absolutely livid after that.
The sort of result that would’ve saved his seat for another year I think. I’d be interested to see how he does under Ineos. There are obvious flaws to the brand of football being played but the players clearly still play for him.
He’s an odd one to judge.
I love how he’s introduced Mainoo, Garnacho & now Amad, and I think he’s done a great job with Dalot.
I think Onana ultimately is an upgrade on DDG and that Martinez is pure class, and so badly missed.
I also think Højlund is incredibly exciting.
But…. Despite buying Mount, Eriksen, Cas & inheriting Mainoo, his midfield is still a mess and it’s insane how often we have zero control in games.
I wanna see Martinez and Shaw back for a few games, and see if that can take us to an FA Cup win and much more control in games. If it can, and especially if he gets a CL spot, then he deserves another year. If we feck up the cup and CL and still look clueless more often than not even with players back, it’s gonna be hard to argue as to why he deserves more time & money.
I love how he’s introduced Mainoo, Garnacho & now Amad, and I think he’s done a great job with Dalot.
I think Onana ultimately is an upgrade on DDG and that Martinez is pure class, and so badly missed.
I also think Højlund is incredibly exciting.
But…. Despite buying Mount, Eriksen, Cas & inheriting Mainoo, his midfield is still a mess and it’s insane how often we have zero control in games.
I wanna see Martinez and Shaw back for a few games, and see if that can take us to an FA Cup win and much more control in games. If it can, and especially if he gets a CL spot, then he deserves another year. If we feck up the cup and CL and still look clueless more often than not even with players back, it’s gonna be hard to argue as to why he deserves more time & money.
Call it kneejerk all you want, but for the first time in months I can see the case for him staying.
Simply put, he has finally experienced what we hadn't seen for years: fortune favours the brave, nothing like watching United throw the kitchen sink when chasing a game.
We were spoilt for years and then it vanished. Manager after manager, they cautiously manage games and pointlessly try like-for-like subs and damage limitation when down in big games, only to get basketball scores against.
Bruno hobbling? Make him a quarterback. Antony slowing shit down? Stick him at leftback. I sort of lost track of the subs and at one point suddenly wondered "wait, do we have any defenders left?". Oh, yeah, Maguire... and then you see him driving into the box ball at feet.
Lovely. Hopefully he is now ready and willing to do that more often.
Simply put, he has finally experienced what we hadn't seen for years: fortune favours the brave, nothing like watching United throw the kitchen sink when chasing a game.
We were spoilt for years and then it vanished. Manager after manager, they cautiously manage games and pointlessly try like-for-like subs and damage limitation when down in big games, only to get basketball scores against.
Bruno hobbling? Make him a quarterback. Antony slowing shit down? Stick him at leftback. I sort of lost track of the subs and at one point suddenly wondered "wait, do we have any defenders left?". Oh, yeah, Maguire... and then you see him driving into the box ball at feet.
Lovely. Hopefully he is now ready and willing to do that more often.
Hes seething
The thought of some bumbling pundit like McMoist trying to summarise this has kept me laughing for the last 20 minutes!
People also need to recognise that Erik has kept our goal difference roughly the same shape as his lovely head for a large part of the season.
Bald is best
Bald is best
I don't think you can have such a poor tenure and get to keep your job because you knocked the dippers out of FA cup. No doubt it was memorable game, but standars needs to be high and we've been shit under his tenure. Personally i think the point of no return happened a long time ago.
If we get 3 wins out of every 4 games, what‘s not sustainable about that? Forget how it looks, Ten Hag is making lemonade.
This monday has been utterly delightful! 
Complete silence in social media, all scouser fans I know are depressed, most of them are acting like the game never happened.
A couple of mad lads tried to tell me that we got lucky, but I just answered "two deflected goals, and a gift for Salah who almost missed empty net", and they went in silent mode again.
I can just walk around at work/the gym with my Manchester United scarf, wrapped around my wrist, and gloat, don't even need to say anything.
Thank you, Eric! Now matter what happens next, this has been a true redemption and unforgettable moment for the history books.
Complete silence in social media, all scouser fans I know are depressed, most of them are acting like the game never happened.
A couple of mad lads tried to tell me that we got lucky, but I just answered "two deflected goals, and a gift for Salah who almost missed empty net", and they went in silent mode again.
I can just walk around at work/the gym with my Manchester United scarf, wrapped around my wrist, and gloat, don't even need to say anything.
Thank you, Eric! Now matter what happens next, this has been a true redemption and unforgettable moment for the history books.
Just read up that ETH has only failed to reach the final 4 of cup competitions once in the last 7 years. He’s got a remarkable cup record. Need to build on it in the league.
Sore? I'm sure that would confirm whatever "us against the world" mentality you've built around yourself and the manager, but sadly it's untrue so you'll have to put away the tin foil hat for today. Yesterday was great, I was happy for the team and Ten Hag. It was genuinely nice to see his chuffed little face at full time when he realised what it meant to the fans. I would love nothing more than more of those moments for him, but he has to address some pretty fundamental flaws in his system if he's going to keep his job.Hes seething
I do enjoy these kinds of posts, it just shows where your priorities lie when it comes to supporting the club.Unfortunately for you and whomever else wants to give people shit today because we won, I'm very happy with the result, the team and for the manager. I suggest you take yourself over to RAWK if you want to argue with people who are upset that Manchester United won a game.
I don’t think anyone would base him staying off of one victory versus Liverpool.
I also think it’s daft to have a “point of no return”.
I mean, he could end the season 4th or 5th, with CL football, an FA Cup win and playing much better football with Martinez & Shaw back.
After Ole/Ragnick, a season with 3rd & a League Cup win, followed by 4th and an FA Cup win would be our most successful period since SAF. The first time we’ve won silverware in successive seasons and placed in the top 4.
Or, he could get knocked out by Coventry, or dicked/embarrassed in the final, finish in 8th & playing shit uncontrolled football even with a full squad.
Why have a singular point? He’s the manager till the end of the season, and much can happen between now and then.
The thought of some bumbling pundit like McMoist trying to summarise this has kept me laughing for the last 20 minutes!
I just feel with all our crap managers we've had the "is this turning point discussion" on a loop. We've been outperformed by Aston Villa and embarrassed beyond belief. Considering we had the greatest manager if all time our standards have slipped so low.
9 wins out of 12 games in 2024. This wasn‘t a one-off game: we are on a good run although moaners like you make it look otherwise.
Well its cyclical, just look at any manager here post Saf. Anyway if he knocks its out of the park the rest of the season i wont moan.
Wouldn't that have been 2015-2017 when we won 3 trophies in 2 years?
This is Antony‘s reaction after being told to play left back
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1769587445719331117?s=20
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1769587445719331117?s=20
Ha ha, with two different managers and finishing 5th & 6th.
So, no. I’d say one manager, two trophies & 3rd/4th would be our most successful period for sure.
I'd probably disagree based on 3 trophies>2 trophies but fair enough mate.
I get ya, but we fired a manager after the first trophy, which kinda fecks it up, that added to two poor league finishing positions.
Put more simply, no manager would have presided over a more successful period if we manage 4th & an FA Cup.
It's not necessarily the results that has been the issue as our 2024 actually results haven't been poor....it's the manner in which we've played that has people in here and elsewhere scratching their heads
let's just hope we get some sort of galvanization from the players for the last quarter of the campaign
let's just hope we get some sort of galvanization from the players for the last quarter of the campaign
Whilst you are right, the nature of those wins was far from impressive or controlled, having watched those games we could easily be zero from 12.
The positive results might have bought ETH some time and I hope he uses it to good effect
Yesterday's game was truly epic, so am not going to jump all over ETH again in defence of my opinion that he is not the manager to take us forward, I have described our football previously as Rocky Balboa football, literally slugging it out without any real semblance of effective defence, when it works it is spectacular, but when it doesn't it looks terrible, and it is not sustainable.... Keegan's Newcastle tried and failed and they were a much better side than we currently are, yesterdays game was about as perfect an example of Balboa football as I could imagine.
So ETH can have a pat on the back for yesterday, and I sincerely hope that he can turn things around, I will hold my hands up in apology if he does, but as things stand we are far from that point, and I still expect us to be terrible next game, I do not see that we have actually addressed the issues which have be present all season.
Agree or not, i like that. shows him being realThis is Antony‘s reaction after being told to play left back
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1769587445719331117?s=20
It‘s easy to point to issues; we all see them. What to do about them is another matter.
I believe we can‘t play a high line with the cb‘s we have available. To be more compact we would have to play a low block all the time and counter attack.
If we did this, Ten Hag would also face big criticism.
We are winning games with the current approach. While we concede a lot of shots, we actually outscore the opponent 3 out of 4 games, so I say let‘s get on with it.
Why would you expect us to be terrible next game? We have started games well lately.
Bit surprised because I thought Antony would just play where needed. Must have fancied himself to get the winnerThis is Antony‘s reaction after being told to play left back
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1769587445719331117?s=20
Anyway, Ten Hag was spot on in the end
How is one very good season and one relatively poor one a poor tenure? Let me guess, last season doesn't count because reasons, or last year wasn't very good because reasons with zero perspective behind them.
Looking at the performance, one thing is for sure that he has not lost the dressing room.
Don't you know the rules of this thread? We concede shots because of the tactics, and we rely on individual brilliance to score goals because there are no tactics.
Serious question here, are you aiming this reply at yourself?
I can be happy when we win, you seem to come in here and take aim at people who've had genuine issues with the way we've been setting up every time we win like we're causing the issues or we're rival fans.
For sure, which hopefully puts to bed this nonsense that the players don't want it and he's dragging them kicking and screaming to positive results.
Banging your head against a wall mate.
Unfortunately for you and whomever else wants to give people shit today because we won, I'm very happy with the result, the team and for the manager. I suggest you take yourself over to RAWK if you want to argue with people who are upset that Manchester United won a game.
I said yesterday, anyone overstating the positives OR negatives yesterday, should take a break yet here we are with certain people are lauding a win for Manchester United fans over fellow. . . Manchester United fans because backing a manager is more paramount than backing the club.
I don’t frequent other forums or take in other fanbases as I do United but feck me we are a dislikable bunch.
That's a huge win for ten Hag. The type that might save his bacon if he can follow it up with a top 4 finish and a trophy.
Who knows what will happen. United could go on a run or just as easily slip up vs Brentford. That's the type of team we are.
I do think he'll survive the season though. Villa and Spurs are a bit wobbly. One of them will falter.
He is absolutely blessed in terms of cup draws. Liverpool aside, that's been a near perfect set of opponents. Just needs Chelsea to do him a massive favour.
The 7-0 aside, it seems that Liverpool are becoming for him what City was to Ole. Although they will be out for revenge in a few weeks.
Who knows what will happen. United could go on a run or just as easily slip up vs Brentford. That's the type of team we are.
I do think he'll survive the season though. Villa and Spurs are a bit wobbly. One of them will falter.
He is absolutely blessed in terms of cup draws. Liverpool aside, that's been a near perfect set of opponents. Just needs Chelsea to do him a massive favour.
The 7-0 aside, it seems that Liverpool are becoming for him what City was to Ole. Although they will be out for revenge in a few weeks.
I mean, with his goal and assist record he can hardly complain if he's asked to leave it to the more productive players and put a shift in instead.This is Antony‘s reaction after being told to play left back
https://x.com/UtdFaithfuls/status/1769587445719331117?s=20
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