He is still not a modern footballer but Maguire had his best seasons under Ole (also pre-United), not ETH. He was actually properly good for us in 20-21. To claim that ETH has somehow improved him is just incorrect.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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He is still not a modern footballer but Maguire had his best seasons under Ole (also pre-United), not ETH. He was actually properly good for us in 20-21. To claim that ETH has somehow improved him is just incorrect.
Course he will
Don't forget Real (because why not?), Dortmund (because he wants to work with Sancho again), Leverkusen (who will make him an offer to replace Alonso who is going to wherever... wait that doesn't make sense... who cares), Inter, Lazio, Atletico (who finally will want an upgrade on Simeone)...
Don’t forget the national teams also, he might even get the an offer to be the Prime Minister of the UK…
I'm not in the Ten Hag out camp at all but I find the takes that "there aren't any good options out there" a bit odd. Not only are there proven managers currently out of a job (though certainly I can understand why people wouldn't want e.g. Conte, Flick, Nagelsmann or Mourinho), but there are also a number of promising managers around Europe at smaller clubs that could be worth a try. As examples you've Amorim, Alonso, Motta, maybe even Conceição. In England you could take a flyer on De Zerbi, Iraola, Edwards, O'Neil, Carrick, McKenna, Potter...
I'm not saying all of those are good options but surely you could find a decent candidate from such an extensive list.
Personally I think it's worth sticking with Ten Hag a bit longer as for me he's got the right strength of character to be the United manager and the football we play isn't a million miles away from "the United way" with the right tweaking. However, if we were struggling again next season or the sporting people behind the scenes don't like the way things are going, I really don't think we should cling on because there's nobody else. There's definitely someone out there for us.
I'm not saying all of those are good options but surely you could find a decent candidate from such an extensive list.
Personally I think it's worth sticking with Ten Hag a bit longer as for me he's got the right strength of character to be the United manager and the football we play isn't a million miles away from "the United way" with the right tweaking. However, if we were struggling again next season or the sporting people behind the scenes don't like the way things are going, I really don't think we should cling on because there's nobody else. There's definitely someone out there for us.
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Still arguably better than what Klopp inherited. Who did Klopp actually keep on from that squad he inherited?
Henderson, anyone else?
Henderson, Milner, Firmino and Gomez.
Also Origi, if you want to go specific moments, and Coutinho, whose sale paved the way for van Dijk and Alisson.
So did Klopp.
Cheers, so not many.
How many from the squad we had at the start of 22/23 (before signings) would you expect a manager to be making significant use of in a title challenging, Champions League winning squad?
Ten Hag fans are now rewriting history and claiming Klopp inherited a better team than Ten Hag. The amount of support this guy gets from some United fans without a single reason for is insane.
8-10 maybe. Well 8-10 if we include Mainoo and Garnacho.
List them, because I suspect a few are going to fall into the Sturridge, Lovren, Lallana category, which I deliberately excluded as its clear they weren't up to scratch and were basically lower priority sales.
Also, if you go the youth route, then Klopp also had Alexander-Arnold.
It's actually not about who is right or wrong . For all the talks, our structure is still not in place. They are yet to take over the office. We still don't know our transfer targets or budgets. Hell- I don't even know if we have decided on a playing style. These guys don't just sack a manager and appoint some random replacement. Take for City - they were planning for Pep for 2 years. They started buying players who would fit Pep during Pellegrini's era.
Then there is also the cost part that's required to remove ETH and team. What if it's a significant amount that could fund us a signing?
I'm not even going to ETHs challenges this year from an injury and management uncertainty standpoint.
It costs around 10m, he has a year left.
Some of you are taking Ratcliffe's structure talk a bit too seriously. He was just trying to steady the ship during a bad period, and give ETH something to fight for. He's been done for a while now. Maybe there's a slim chance if we beat Liverpool in the cup and then go unbeaten in the league. But as of now, there's no chance he'l be extended.
I would take De Zebri from Brighton
Atleast we will play attractive football..
Atleast we will play attractive football..
Funny how you complain about "lazy narratives" and then immediately post this
They played attractive football under Potter too and look what happened to him when he went to a club with a joke of a structure.
ETH got the star players and the tonne of money.
Not really, I remember they couldn't score worth a damn. De Zerbi took them to another level, there's a reason why he's been linked with Madrid.
Is this man for real?
"In such games, we always achieve good performances. I don't think in any really high-rated game that we had any lows. They are very consistent, we need our best to beat them."
Wtf is he on about?
"In such games, we always achieve good performances. I don't think in any really high-rated game that we had any lows. They are very consistent, we need our best to beat them."
Wtf is he on about?
Someone posted before about a younger generation of fans who don't know where success comes from and seem to think it just needs blind loyalty to a manager. Not sure how much truth there is but there is a significant minority of fans who take this line and seem determined to excuse the manager at every turn. The one about 'keep sacking managers' is the dumbest. Of the post Fergie managers, who should we have stuck with. If we had honored Moyes's 7 year contract, anyone seriously suggesting we would be challenging for PL. LVG was heading for retirement before Woodward stepped in, Ole was a great guy but probably the most under qualified manager ever. Mou was horrible and toxic. ETH on paper looked better than this lot but maybe he just isn't good enough. The club is bigger the manager, there will never be another Fergie, people need to stop obsessing.
He's well off the deep end at this point.
Damn, that's a horrible side. How many made it to their champions league win against Spurs i wonder? The clearout Klopp and their board did was pretty amazing.No it didn't, because they were missing Suarez and Sterling. You can't ignore the fact they lost 2 of their 3 best attackers during their title challenge. It's not the same squad.
This is their starting XI for Klopp's 1st game
Also if we're going to use your logic, ETH inherited a squad that finished 2nd 2 seasons prior and had way more money to inject into it + didn't lose any of the top performers that helped us finish 2nd.
I believe Milner was there and Origi as an impact sub. Can't remember the rest.
He clearly hasn’t but he’s also been hamstrung with a recruitment team that is far worse than any of our rivals. Even that aside the most problematic players are those he inherited!
This isn’t a narrative it’s a fact mate? We have replaced manager after manager and all it’s done is add to the mess in this squad. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think we should just stick with underperforming managers long term, but Ten Hag is talented and I’ve laid out my reasons why I’d see the project through.
The star players are part of the problem though! He’d be better not inheriting them at all!
I just looked. None of them started that game but 4 or 5 were on the bench, Origi came on to score and Milner came on as well but the rest were unused and left the club soon after.
Regardless, i had a look at all our 11 defeats this season and quite a big number of our games featured players that have been at the club for 5 seasons or more, including the Newcastle game which featured eight starters not signed by EtH. I'm fine with people saying EtH should be sacked or his recruitment has been bad but to say this is a different squad is just wrong imo.
Of the starting line-up in the final, he inherited Henderson and Firmino (Alexander-Arnold too, if you're counting academy graduates).
Off the bench he inherited Milner, Gomez and Origi.
You act like the club forced Antony, Mount, Onana on him.
I don't get the Klopp comparisments. It took him and LFC 3 transfers summers with plenty of spending to start to deliver. Only with Allisson as keeper coming in summer 2018 they started producing regular winning ways. Untill then it was more or less as we are now: some good and some bad periods. Their squad overall looked much broader though. I remember Milner covering on almost every position whenever a regular was out.
I actually thought Ten Hag would never survive without so many injured players. December schedule would do him in.
As it is, he and us survived, got us some nice points and here we are, 8 weeks from the end of 23/24. And yet he still has both Lb's out for the rest of the season, our best CB still out and one rookie striker coming back. Logic suggests he should have a much worse result list. Or enters a string of losses that gets managers of PL clubs sacked. It will be fascinating to see how it goes from here.
I actually thought Ten Hag would never survive without so many injured players. December schedule would do him in.
As it is, he and us survived, got us some nice points and here we are, 8 weeks from the end of 23/24. And yet he still has both Lb's out for the rest of the season, our best CB still out and one rookie striker coming back. Logic suggests he should have a much worse result list. Or enters a string of losses that gets managers of PL clubs sacked. It will be fascinating to see how it goes from here.
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"Survived" despite finishing bottom of our CL group, out of all European competition, out of the league cup, and out of any contention for CL spots despite there being an extra one. Plus no one believes in his vision or position at the club any more and he's basically treading water until he gets sacked.
Interesting use of the word.
Who is talking about extension? We are talking about letting him finish his contract which means, he is here to stay for one more year.
Nobody believes in him? Did you ask all 8 billion world population? See, it's fallacy opinions like yours that i think does not belong in a Manchester United forum. "The players don''t fight for Erik anymore, yada yada".
Maybe you want him out but then please admit it, regardless whether the current or upcoming results. Even if I wanted him out, I would want him to finish whatever games he is in charge of, with a succes.
There's not a single United employee in Carrington (except maybe ETH), fan in the stadium, or director in the box, really expecting him to turn it around at this point. Not to the extent of us achieving any meaningful success.
He's carried on by blind optimism and economic realities now.
That would be really weird, letting him stay without an extension, and the players probably knowing he wouldn't' be here in the next season. That usually doesn't happen unless the manager was very successful and won trophies but did not want to commit long term.
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