Eth near his best got smashed 7-0 by Liverpool. Plus this is not Ole at his best. Under Ole at least our counter attacking was lethal, while currently it is patchy at best. We are awful at managing possession under any sort of pressure. In terms of injuries there are 3 positions that are affected by it. Are we saying that means the football will go to shite because of first choice players not being available in 3 positions in the team?
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Hel probably get around the same points as Klopp did last year despite having worse injuries.
Proper hammered all season, Ten Hag
Hammered all season on here, yes.
I can't believe how low the bar is. All for a manager that's not even that good
The end of the season cannot come more quickly. Our football is currently as bad as anything since Winter 2015.
I think our defence were very organised off the ball and did great work in that department. But on the ball they were poor - which I'd expect for players being out of position, or not having an established chemistry with each other.
I think Garnacho had a strong game, Rashford was alright-ish but that's basically his career. Bruno and McTominay were alright enough. I don't really see anyone chronically underperforming today BAR Casemiro who played drunk for 30 minutes.
We lost 7-0 to Liverpool under ETH mate. No United manager post Fergie has had a catastrophic low like that.
Needs a handful of miracle wins to have any chance of staying in a job. Very poor season.
He'll definitely be here until the summer. Whether he's here next season seems kind of up in the air, but I'm leaning towards him not being here.
And a 7-0 loss doesnt get you sacked in isolation. Players not running, not showing any belief and bad form for extended periods does.
We were 7th in the league when Ole was sacked. 6 points behind 4th & still in the CL
We’re currently 6th. Potentially 11 points behind 4th & out of the CL.
Both seasons are unacceptable for a club of United’s size.
28 games in the league and a goal difference of 0
How the feck are people still in his corner?!
How the feck are people still in his corner?!
6-1 at OT against fecking Spurs under Ole was pretty hideous.
I'd say it's hard to objectively judge any manager. Every clubs is run differently, with different budgets and different constraints and structures. Managers take on a job and inherit a squad. It's not an exact science. You can see managers doing well though - O'Neil and Emery stand out in the PL this year. Di Zerbi and Howe last year. They seem to have built a tight nit squad and (perhaps some more than others) have a recognisable system they're trying to employ. They're not elite managers, but they're improving their teams and it's visible on the pitch.
Ten Hag has been given at least some of the players he wanted and he seemingly wanted control over that. I don't see how a poor previous transfer record at the club absolves him of blame if those players aren't good enough, or he can't get them to perform in the system he envisioned.
Injuries have clearly been a major issue and that's not his fault, but even when we have the bulk of the first team available (as we have had at times this season) there's no obvious improvement.
To be honest, I'd personally have less of an issue if there was some kind of obvious direction of travel; a system or style forming that looked like it might work if given more time. In recent weeks the tactical decisions baffle me. I'm far from an expert in football, but I don't understand how conceding the ball to any team we play is a tactic with any potential.
13th is how far you have to go to find a team who have scored fewer than us.
ETH has had his challenges but this season has been absolutely atrocious.
Good game, good tactics. Everton sniffed a bit but no real danger. The defense was solid.
Personally I don't really care against LFC cup game next week, they are just a bit too high with much better players with many of our stars still not back. I hope we win but probably not.
After the break we should have Mount, Malacia, Martinez, AWB, Hojlund back. Should make us give a decent run at the top 5. Who knows, Villa isn''t playing the best and Spurs being Spurs, well. Fingers crossed. Do Villa and Spurs play against eachother? A draw would be nice.
All in all Ten Hag is going to make the end of the season, no doubt. 5 wins out of 8 PL games since january 1st. April is going to have some nice games though. Chelsea, LFC, Arsenal. Bring it on. Looking forward to it.
Personally I don't really care against LFC cup game next week, they are just a bit too high with much better players with many of our stars still not back. I hope we win but probably not.
After the break we should have Mount, Malacia, Martinez, AWB, Hojlund back. Should make us give a decent run at the top 5. Who knows, Villa isn''t playing the best and Spurs being Spurs, well. Fingers crossed. Do Villa and Spurs play against eachother? A draw would be nice.
All in all Ten Hag is going to make the end of the season, no doubt. 5 wins out of 8 PL games since january 1st. April is going to have some nice games though. Chelsea, LFC, Arsenal. Bring it on. Looking forward to it.
Still struggling to find a single reason why Ten Hag has such a fanbase among our fans. Some here are defending him as if him staying at the club means to them more than the club actually doing well. Guy has no previous connection to the club, is no ex-legend and even as a manager the best he has given the club is a League Cup trophy, yet you look at some posts here and the way some are supporting him is as if they're desperate for the club to succeed under no one bar him.
It's understandable for a club legend like Ole to have such kind of support. I can see why many will be desperate for a club legend to keep managing the club regardless of the results and were desperate for the club to succeed under him, but to do this for a foreign manager with zero connection to the club is so bizarre.
Anyway, I skipped today's game looking at the stats and the way we scored, doesn't seem I missed much. I haven't following United regularly for the last 3 months or so. Ten Hag was the final nail in the coffin for my interest in Man United. I just can't be bothered anymore. The interest was dying under Ole then Ralf but Ten Hag killed it completely.
It's understandable for a club legend like Ole to have such kind of support. I can see why many will be desperate for a club legend to keep managing the club regardless of the results and were desperate for the club to succeed under him, but to do this for a foreign manager with zero connection to the club is so bizarre.
Anyway, I skipped today's game looking at the stats and the way we scored, doesn't seem I missed much. I haven't following United regularly for the last 3 months or so. Ten Hag was the final nail in the coffin for my interest in Man United. I just can't be bothered anymore. The interest was dying under Ole then Ralf but Ten Hag killed it completely.
We outright stopped bothered to play football under Ole. Players didn't run, belief was utterly gone and we didnt look close to getting that CL spot. That's not the case with Ten Hag, like it or lump it.
If it wasn't for the takeover I'm pretty sure ETH would be gone.
Week in week out we are served this dross. Can’t wait for this season to end. Reminds me of the dark LVG days where all hope was sucked out of me for the team.
I actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
After Antony they owe us one.
Shane Warne said about Montey panesar that he's not played 33 tests, he's played the same one 33 times. And it nailed him. You can say the same about ETH, complete lack of imagination and no progress in tactics between games or within games..
We're becoming MadridI actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
'Out played by Everton today".. I've heard it all now!
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As opposed to the scintillating brand of football we’ve spent the last two years playing under ETH? This is as dour and boring as anything we’ve seen since the LVG days. An utter mess with no plan or cohesion.
And that’s exactly the case under ETH. We don’t have a hope in hell of getting a CL spot this season.
It's hard to imagine being worse in possession, which was supposed to be his specialty. He's got to go.
Not in the League no, they beat us 3-0 at Old Trafford in the League Cup.
I actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
This isn't new though? Same happened with Jose and Ole. A win here and there isn't going to change peoples opinions, especially a win when we play as poorly as we did today, and rightly so. Nothing worse than people flip-flopping between opinions.
It’s great winning and I think obviously everyone hopes we win every match but when you concede over 130 shots in 6 games, playing an Everton who haven’t won in about eleven games and still watch them have chance after chance against us and us looking to be unable to truly take control of the match or even counter with any kind of real threat I thinks it’s fair for some to huff and say oh well we were shit but we got the pointsI actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
Because it’s a “seeing the bigger picture” thing. The football is diabolical and we cant even control games against the likes of Everton, it’s not sustainable. The same people were saying the same things about Ole and were also being laughed at, and look what happened.I actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
Everybody should want to and be happy to win of course, wanting to lose is dumb, but lets not bury our heads in the sand and say we are an amazing football team to watch, we are shocking and its not like it’s one offs, we are terrible in general
We were fine last season, just not great in the final third of the season. For a debut season it was very good.
And we aren't scintillating this season but at least we can bounce back with results and show commitment and effort. That was not the case for Ole in his final year, so I think the point I've made is clear.
Good amount of BS there, considering Villa play Spurs this weekend and both clubs are yet to play City again too.
You're not Nostradamus or seeing something wider, it's actually the opposite of that with moaning about playing style when his squad is absolutely tattered and needing a revamp.
'Out played by Everton today".. I've heard itall now!
The hatred and idiocy are strong in this lot
Exactly how I feel.
Can you honesty say that any of the games we have won have given you anything other than massive relief at the final whistle? Has there been more than a handful of games where you can say I am proud of the way we played?I actually love that even when we win games we have wound up fans trying to wish our manager gets axed
Not being thumped by relegation sides is enough for ETH to be in this job still? Standards have gone
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Fair enough, respect your view. For me, I would just say you've quoted mostly individual performances.
As a collective, our posession, passes in oppo third, shots, chances created and how easy we are to play against is nowhere near the required standard, regardless of injuries in my opinion.
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