I just can't anymore. I don't know how any manager can take us forward with this crop of players not giving a damn, but I just can't see Ten Hag being the one to turn it around anymore. How he looks at that and talks like we won I don't know.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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I just can't anymore. I don't know how any manager can take us forward with this crop of players not giving a damn, but I just can't see Ten Hag being the one to turn it around anymore. How he looks at that and talks like we won I don't know.
I don't mind losing to a team like City if at least we showed more initiative. I've seen teams with worse players than us cause them more problems. That's how low the bar currently is.
When City beat us, they don't need to go beyond 3rd gear
When City beat us, they don't need to go beyond 3rd gear
Am tired of this "CL and attracting targets."
There plenty of good players who would like to play for Manchester united regardless of CL.
Absolutely deluded.
The football has been terrible. Never in control of any game, lots of chances conceded and very few going forward. It gets to the point now where I feel he’s just not taking us forward and some of the players he’s brought in are very questionable.
His first season was great, actually scored more goals than Ten Hag's previous season. His second season was the borefest, probably because of a disastrous transfer window. Depay, Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Romero, Martial. Latter two were okay, rest were rubbish. Maybe if he had a better structure, etc etc.
Small margins
We were more likely to lose 6-1 with that performance than to hold on for a 1-0 win.
This is Pep level use of statistics.
Whilst I consider him a fairly poor manager, I'd at least have respect for the man if he were honest in his assessment of the job he's doing. Unfortunately he's spouting deluded shite. Any imbecile can see there's absolutely no progress being made. Who does he think he's fooling?
Some of the posters in this thread.
We all know who they are.
Completely delusional. Serving up one of the most cowardly performances of the decade against our rivals is one thing (and should be enough to get him fired). Trying to convince us that it was in fact a good performance is just pure gaslighting.
Ineos are clueless if they persist with this charlatan beyond May. Get rid.
- He needs a Director of Football to have 45% possession against City.
- He needs Martinez & Shaw to attack against City.
- Glazers are the problem. Ratcliffe will make ETH start playing possession football.
- He needs to be helped in recruitment, to achieve 45% possession and control in games.
Excuses have run out. ETH is not a good coach as we thought. I said it last summer just before the season ended if he doesn't overhaul our midfield to be recycling unit then results will unravel and he will be sacked.
True to it, it has panned out like that. Such a big let down. Big let down.
He must watch a different game to us. Fine margins? Is he OK, he can't be serious with that.
Deluded.
Apparently our only poor performance since the turn of the year was our loss to Fulham. Sometimes you wonder if he thinks we're Bournemouth
Here's all the matches we've played against the top 3 since Ten Hag took over. 3 wins, 1 draw, 7 losses.
United
Total Shots: 95
Shots on Target: 26
Goals: 15
Opponents:
Total Shots: 213
Shots on Target: 72
Goals: 30
The gulf is gigantic. We started off pretty well under Ten Hag as well, our 3 wins came in the opening 4 fixtures. But since then it's been horrific. 72 shots on target for our opponents in 11 games! That's an average of 6.5 per game compared to our 1.4. 3 goals in our last 6 fixtures. Sigh.
Date | Leg | Opponent (Place in table.) | Score | Shots F | Shots A | SoT F | SoT A | Goals F | Goals A |
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Mon Aug 22, 2022 | H | Liverpool (12.) | 2:1 | 12 | 17 | 4 | 7 | 2 | 1 |
Sun Sep 4, 2022 | H | Arsenal (1.) | 3:1 | 10 | 16 | 3 | 8 | 3 | 1 |
Sun Oct 2, 2022 | A | Man City (2.) | 6:3 | 12 | 22 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 6 |
Sat Jan 14, 2023 | H | Man City (2.) | 2:1 | 8 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
Sun Jan 22, 2023 | A | Arsenal (1.) | 3:2 | 6 | 25 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 3 |
Sun Mar 5, 2023 | A | Liverpool (7.) | 7:0 | 8 | 18 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 7 |
Sat Jun 3, 2023 | A | Man City (FA Cup Final) | 2:1 | 13 | 11 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 |
Sun Sep 3, 2023 | A | Arsenal (5.) | 3:1 | 10 | 17 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 3 |
Sun Oct 29, 2023 | H | Man City (2.) | 0:3 | 7 | 21 | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 |
Sun Dec 17, 2023 | A | Liverpool (1.) | 0:0 | 6 | 34 | 4 | 13 | 0 | 0 |
Sun Mar 3, 2024 | A | Man City (2.) | 3:1 | 3 | 27 | 2 | 8 | 1 | 3 |
United
Total Shots: 95
Shots on Target: 26
Goals: 15
Opponents:
Total Shots: 213
Shots on Target: 72
Goals: 30
The gulf is gigantic. We started off pretty well under Ten Hag as well, our 3 wins came in the opening 4 fixtures. But since then it's been horrific. 72 shots on target for our opponents in 11 games! That's an average of 6.5 per game compared to our 1.4. 3 goals in our last 6 fixtures. Sigh.
This is why I keep getting Moyes vibes from him. The job is too big for him.Apparently our only poor performance since the turn of the year was our loss to Fulham. Sometimes you wonder if he thinks we're Bournemouth
I always think back to that interview Ferguson gave after Aberdeen had just won a cup, and he was fuming with their performance. Total laser focused winning mentality right there. Fecking night and day difference to Erik Ten Hag and some of the other losers we've had at this club
Hopefully we'll see Ineos act quickly off the radar with this and get rid of him and have a short term interim and plans for bringing in the new guy in June.
Like they kept Berreda off the radar, it'll be another good sign if we get rid of Ten Hag without the months build up of leaks and headlines like with Ole Mourinho and LVG.
Like they kept Berreda off the radar, it'll be another good sign if we get rid of Ten Hag without the months build up of leaks and headlines like with Ole Mourinho and LVG.
Ultimately it was, but it was also better than a tonne of the shit we’ve seen since and at least we’re weren’t 6 piss easy points for any decent side.
What we needed after LVG was a manager that continued to work on the possession game, but instead we ripped all that up, then 2 years later did the same again and then 3 years later more of the same and well… here we are now again.
I hope like hell the Ineos fellas and Dan A decide how we as a club want to play football and start signing managers that can achieve that.
His post match interviews are ramblings of a madman
The man’s deluded - should be forced to watch from the stands to listed to what those of us who have been following us home and way for years thinks of the shambles that was that second half showing - deluded is not strong enough tbf.
I've been saying it for months Erik has a very demonstrable ceiling. It's not about seeing how results go from here on out, it's that United don't have a manager capable of winning the league under any circumstances.
If INEOS intention is to win, than a new coach should be on the cards in the summer beyond reasonable doubt.
I think he is working on the premise that if you say it long & loud, people might just start to believe you. Kind of a modern version of 'the emperors new clothes'..
Unless they weirdly want United to be a transition team, both Potter and Lopetegui have had teams playing better footvall than we are right now. I know people hate on Potter, whatever, but his Brighton team was well structured, well coached, good in possession etc. If he implemented any of that then it would be helpful right now. Same goes for Lopetegui who has managed some of the best teams around and was doing a very good job in changing the Wolves style of play before he left over a transfer budget disagreement.
You're talking as though we're currently doing things well and a change would spoil everything, whereas in reality we're not doing much well and the only way is up. Even if we had a boring LVG type come in and drill us in how to keep possession, it would be a start. I'm sure whatever style they decide to go with will involve some for of control over a game and being good in possession. Two things we are falling at massively and two things every top team is very good at.
Seriously though. He is fo fecking annoying.
Good performance.
We defended very well.
Same shite after every loss.
Deluded.
Good performance.
We defended very well.
Same shite after every loss.
Deluded.
Yeah first season we were quite good against other big sides as well who tried to go at us. We were just terrible against poor sides. Second season was just "pass the ball to Tony and hope he does something" simulator. But both windows were quite poor although the first one might have turned out better if ADM wasn't a cnut because he was brilliant at the beginning of that season.
Sounds like a manager who brought his championship team to the Etihad and nearly caused an major upset
It does seem that way. Just 0 charisma or leadership and doesn't seem to have any ideas for how to fix any issues this season (regardless of the injury woes).
Which is so strange because I thought the opposite after he blasted the team post-Brentford loss in his second game and had them running for punishment to get a response vs Liverpool. At that point I thought we certainly had something, both leadership wise and tactically (because we were far different than we played first two games).
And I still maintain that Villa game could have EASILY been a loss, they had the better chances and were just horrid in the final action.
Said it in the preseason topic, you cant blame these preseason tours, they don't affect Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Barca, Real etc in this season ending manner that we suffer from.
Not really bothered about losing this game, we were better than I expected us to be, especially in the first half, but the way we’re set up, the in game management, the game plan, the stuff the manager says, it’s all absolute delusions of someone who thinks they’ve got what it takes to manage a top club but is massively out of their depth.
Was only missing “we aspire to be like them”
With each passing game it gets less and less likely he will be manager here next season, he surely knows that. The new ownership need to send a message. These players need to know there's a new sheriff in town and underperformance will not be tolerated. Part of the dreadful culture within the club has developed because of the Glazer's inactivity in previous seasons, they would be insanely slow to react to dreadful results and performances - which would result in unmotivated players going through the motions. A few big scalps are needed, and the manager should be the first.
Honestly you can probably count on one hand the number of wins this season that were comfortable and where you can confidently say we 100% deserved the win.
Dont think Ten Hag even aspires to be like them.
He took the L on copying his Ajax system or on developing an attractive playstyle, almost immediately. Then took the L on having a team that could get out of an easy CL group. Now he's taking the L on having a top 5 worthy side.
Least ambitious manager ever. If anything he aspires to be like Villa and Spurs and have boards and fans that are delighted with 5th.
Looking at our fixture list between now and the end of the season, no chance in hell we are getting top 4. In fact it wouldn't be a stretch to say we could finish as low as 10th.
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