Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Bet you anything EtH will leave, join another club, get them playing football similar to his Ajax team and then within a year or two be in demand again.

We've got that kind of luck.

It happens. Emery is one of the best managers in the league.
 
Premier League teams to have faced 20+ shots (Selected)
ClubManagerGamesFaced 20+Shots
Manchester UnitedErik ten Hag6412
ArsenalMikel Arteta1617
Manchester CityPep Guardiola2924
LiverpoolJurgen Klopp3222

One of the most overrated managers of all time.

Absolutely abysmal situation for the manager to be in.
 
Why would he reference he knows what's going to happen and then condition it with a but?

"Yeah I'm staying on, but we have to work everyday to make sure we win every game."

See how strange that sentence sounds?
Mate he’s not a native English speaker. You’re reading too much into it.
 
Ratcliffe has made it clear his ambition is to take United back to the top. Reassuring a mediocre manager like Ten Hag that he's safe in his job for the next season would completely contradict such ambition

This has also been my perspective on the situation. There's a very positive reality where the hierarchy require a higher standard than what this manager has shown to produce.
 
I was going to make a post on this same thing. If you watch the 2019 Ajax side that lost to Tottenham (there are a bunch of full match videos on youtube) you will see the exact same tactics. Which surprised me a little but effectively our defense and midfield this season build up like the Ajax 2019 team and attack a bit more like his later Ajax teams (e.g. Antony staying out wide rather than the front 3 being narrow and swapping positions like the 2019 team). You'll see the exact same gaps in the midfield and similar patterns.

The difference is in the players. The quartet of Onana, Blind, De Ligt and De Jong are so comfortable with the ball that they are able to hold of presses and just play the ball between themselves. De Jong in particular thrives with that space in the midfield, very often being pressed by 2 attackers and beating the press to surge upfield or playing 1-2s with the CBs. In some of the videos you see VdB and Schone pushed high up but at the right moment Schone drops into the gap in midfield to give De Jong an option. however all across their team every player is comfortable being pressed and interlinking. Neres who I think played left wing for them is not as good as Rashford but my god the way he pressed and interlinks with others is great, the whole front three of that 2019 team switch positions and have great interplay.

At United you've only really got Martinez who can play the ball the way Ten Hag wants from the back (if you watch the 2019 team you'd be forgiven for thinking it was Martinez playing as they play very similarly), add in Casemiro as the CDM and you've got a quartet that is just so far below the level needed to play this way. Add in the ineffective press when Rashford is playing and this team as it is is just not capable of playing the style Ten Hag wants. The question is whether the owners believe in the vision and believe they can get the right players in to fulfill it or whether they lose faith in the tactics.One thing is for certain, the style of play cannot carry players, it cannot carry a Rashford that doesnt press, a Varane who cannot pass between lines or a Casemiro who cannot work in tight spaces.

The point of a good coach is to adjust his overall plan in order to increase the chances of winning. You cant tell me in order for ETH to succeed, he needs the exact type of players he had at Ajax in 18/19.
 


The obvious follow up question to this should have been “Okay that explains against Fulham, But Jaimes point is broader than this game. You have conceded the second most shots in the league. Do you need half an hour to work out the tactics every time you start the game?”
 
The obvious follow up question to this should have been “Okay that explains against Fulham, But Jaimes point is broader than this game. You have conceded the second most shots in the league. Do you need half an hour to work out the tactics every time you start the game?”
We were in trouble 5 minutes in and he didn't do anything, then said we missed Casemiro in the end when Case was playing terribly anyway.
 
More and more reports about manager being changed next season. ETH is on his way out, hopefully
 
Seems to be a lot of noise about him being replaced. I don't think he will last past the summer.
 
Can Zidane do a build up job though? He had an already established great squad at Madrid, I don't know if he could handle a messy situation.
 
Same sound bites every week

Must do better
Not acceptable blah blah

Same shit on a stick football
 
Lots of briefings in the last 48 hrs. I think its pretty obvious to any sensible person that he will not be here at the start of next season.
 
Can Zidane do a build up job though? He had an already established great squad at Madrid, I don't know if he could handle a messy situation.
A manager should not have to do a rebuild. I would suppose that Berrada and Asworth have been earmarked for the actual rebuilding.
 
Will tomorrow night's game be like Ole's last game, players threw the towel in and lost 4-1 to Watford.
 
A manager should not have to do a rebuild. I would suppose that Berrada and Asworth have been earmarked for the actual rebuilding.
You build a team over several years, it is not a one transfer window job and he just comes into the complete team. And even then, he would have to make all those new players compact, you don't do that immediately.
 
You still need results whilst building this isn't one window rebuild unless I've missed something regarding PSR/FFP
Of course, it will take years to get us up where we want.
I would guess Zidane is good enough to get good results with us while rebuilding.
 

Either he or Luis Enrique for me

The aura Zidane would bring to commence our next chapter would be beautiful. What a face for the new era. Zidane’s Manchester United. Yes sir

Rubbish source of course but let’s see what happens over the coming months
 
Of course, it will take years to get us up where we want.
I would guess Zidane is good enough to get good results with us while rebuilding.

I think people often overestimate how bad results would even get in a “rebuild”. We are 6th this year with absolutely horrid metrics and performances across the board along with a 0 GD, shipping out players like Maguire and replacing with fresher young faces won’t instantly make us much worse even if the improvement isn’t immediate
 
You build a team over several years, it is not a one transfer window job and he just comes into the complete team. And even then, he would have to make all those new players compact, you don't do that immediately.
Of course it will take years, many years. Why would that stop Zidane from being a good manager for us?
 
Either he or Luis Enrique for me

The aura Zidane would bring to commence our next chapter would be beautiful. What a face for the new era. Zidane’s Manchester United. Yes sir

Rubbish source of course but let’s see what happens over the coming months

It just seems like Zidane himself doesn’t want to deal with the job. He got tired even after winning 3 UCL’s on the trot, in not sure he wants to come to England to test himself at another huge challenge of a club.
 
It just seems like Zidane himself doesn’t want to deal with the job. He got tired even after winning 3 UCL’s on the trot, in not sure he wants to come to England to test himself at another huge challenge of a club.
Every time his name is leaked there has been a complete shut down. He doesnt like the PL if I remember correctly. Which if true, makes the above tweet bollocks
 
I don't understand how a top level manager can view players like Antony, Onana, Malacia, Weghorst, Amrabat as top level players for a top level team.

Managers make transfer mistakes - but there's far too many of them to regard it as just a bunch of mistakes. Ten Hag simply has no ability to build a top level team because he simply doesn't have the ability to distinctively see a top level player never mind a system incorporating 11 top level players.

It's clear now that we got over excited by Ten Hag simply improving the players that Overmars and others built at Ajax for him rather than build one by himself.

We also did better last season because again - Ten Hag had to work with more players that were already at the club through previous management - because he has an amazing ability to improve a players abilities & improved players that were already at the club last year outside of his choice - but that's simply not good enough because whilst he can improve players he already has to work with - he has no ability to reach the next level and add great players to create a great squad that's fitted around a great tactical system.

He is a top level assistant manager but not a top level manager.
 
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Premier League teams to have faced 20+ shots (Selected)
ClubManagerGamesFaced 20+Shots
Manchester UnitedErik ten Hag6412
ArsenalMikel Arteta1617
Manchester CityPep Guardiola2924
LiverpoolJurgen Klopp3222

One of the most overrated managers of all time.
the fact that 4-5 games of those 12 have come this year is pretty concerning.
 
Of course, it will take years to get us up where we want.
I would guess Zidane is good enough to get good results with us while rebuilding.

With the mobility in our current midfield he could do a job on the pitch as well.
 
Zidane doesn't speak English apparently and seems completely nonplussed about the EPL.

I think it's not impossible but highly improbable and do we even have the type of players he likes to work with?
 
Many agents/agencies has certain influence at clubs, so players most likely are influenced by that. And clubs probably find it easier to work with agencies they know beforehand. In the world of shady business, this is not very shady at all. Unlike with Ole and his best buddy and agent.

There were even reports that people at United were unhappy about the involvement of ETHs agent in the transfer business. I think it's peculiar the way it unfolded with players signing with SEG and then signing for United, when it looked like deals were already lined up and wages not expected to be an issue.

Why do you think Ole was lining his agents pocket but not ETH and SEG? I'd say its likely they are/ were both doing the same thing. Not that I'm particularly bothered, it's the least of my worries when it comes to ETH.
 
Zidane ain’t happening. Plus, he seems like the type of manager you bring in to coach a star studded and well oiled machine, not the guy to oversee a full scale rebuild.
 
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