Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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"If I one day become Sporting Director of Man Utd I wouldn't let Ten Hag continue" said no one, ever.
This guy talks bollocks on the regular.
For example:
https://x.com/SportsPeteO/status/1544941985643040770?s=20
And 7 against Liverpool.
Our 'best' back 6 is still terrible organisationally, badly coached and prone to mental collapses. Relies on individual brilliance as much as the attacking play. Varane bailing us out in the air and Martinez bailing us out on the ground.
When you say badly coached what do you mean ?
Not trying to be snarky, but there are times when teams look "badly coached" but there are more factors then coaching that affect how a team plays. Confidence is a huge factor, momentum another and positivity that goals can be reached (whatever level those goals are).
Look at League winning teams under Jose/Conte or even Ranieri. The next season their form could capitulate where they were putting in mid table performances. Even Jose in his last year in charge of United, I read people saying hes coaching them badly. I dont know what they mean, do they mean he lost the ability to coach a team over the summer ?
Man management and instilling confidence is of course part of a managers job, but when a club isnt spending well or backing the manager properly to achieve these goals, it kind of undermines what a manager is trying to do. Forget Jose, how do you think the ambityous players in the squad felt when United signed Dalot and Fred to make up double digit points on City ? Do you think it would be hard for any manager to convince them that these reinforcements will be enough to get closer to city ?
I think this is part of the issue with those who think ETH is categorically not good enough, versus those of us who think hes been presiding over a sh*tshow and has therefore not relly had a fair crack at the whip. I dont think hes perfect, I just think the conditions he has been having to navigate have been a massive handicap.
Let’s see how he finishes the season. Not making top four and 0 trophies doesn’t look great. Results are starting to turn but we are still a long way off.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone in the summer….sacking a manager doesn’t automatically mean we are back to square one.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone in the summer….sacking a manager doesn’t automatically mean we are back to square one.
Would be surprised if ETH didn't get one season under the new structure.
It really shouldnt , but the reason it has at United is because of the way the club has been run. This is where some people really havent been getting it. "Woodward doesnt pick the team or signings or coach the players" kind of responses to those of us who were saying that our managers and teams are being undermined in such a dysfunctional football infrastructure.
INEOs seem to be bringing United more in line with Elite clubs (at least thats what it looks like) which means in the future we shouldnt see the messing thats been happening since SAF left. Should be a much smoother process replacing managers and we shouldnt see relentless baggage in the squad getting contract extensions and underperforming players turfed out quicker. All this gives any future manager a much better chance of succeding.
Exactly my point!
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The only way I see Ten Hag getting sacked in the short term, is if he refuses to cede control on transfers under the new structure.
There were reports that he has final veto on all transfers. If that’s true, I’d imagine he’ll be asked to compromise and row in behind a new recruitment setup designed by Ashworth and whoever he puts in place.
If Ten Hag is happy to be a part of the discussion rather than the sole decision maker, I think they’ll give him time. If he wants to keep picking players on his own I think they’ll show him the door.
There were reports that he has final veto on all transfers. If that’s true, I’d imagine he’ll be asked to compromise and row in behind a new recruitment setup designed by Ashworth and whoever he puts in place.
If Ten Hag is happy to be a part of the discussion rather than the sole decision maker, I think they’ll give him time. If he wants to keep picking players on his own I think they’ll show him the door.
I'm getting the feeling reading between the lines that Ten Hag is more than happy to be just concentrating on coaching and having minimal involvement on recruitment.
The comments about being happy that there is more people coming in to deal with the issues outside of coaching would suggest that. I think what will eventually happen is that there will be positions identified for strengthening and a list of players drawn up for each position and ETH may either pick a preference or just give all of it the ok and the recruitment team would then get to work.
I doubt he will get a veto but I also think the club won't be signing players that he's not given the green light to. I'm sure I read an interview Ashworth did where he said there was no way they (Brighton or Newcastle, can't remember who it was) would recruit anyone without the express acceptance of the manager as it was pointless otherwise.
But ultimately you'd assume he will be asked to pick players from a list that will have already have been approved by the recruitment department.
For me, he should be meeting with his recruitment team every so often and telling them the profile of player he is looking for.
Then he should be leaving it to the experts to find that sort of player. They will be looking at data, attributes, stats, character and every other small detail they are employed to look at.
Obviously if he has first hand experience of a player, that information can be fed into the mix, but the days of him or any other manager coming in and hand picking players by name should be behind us now.
If you’re right and he’s happy to focus on coaching from now on, I see no reason he can’t turn things around here under a functional setup. I think he needs to work on his in game decision making, but I’ve no doubt that he’s a very capable coach.
It’s not, you’re being dramatic for the sake of it. fecking no one here would want ETH fired if he won the CL/PL it’s a pointless statement to make
See I interpreted the posters point as being there seems to be some fans that regardless of results Ten Hags style of management will never be good enough. I know most of these folks issues centre on style of play, but for me this will improve with the confidence and momentum of wins. Maybe the example the poster mass was a bit extreme but it’s probably a reaction to some of the extreme negativity at times.
Not saying your one of these people mind.
Still want him gone and I think he will be gone at the end of the season. This "revival" has been so filled with lucky results. He's had plenty of time and money, thanks for ending the trophyless drought and good luck come May.
This is what many don’t seem to understand. Finishing 4th should be seen as a minimum but it’s being spoken of as a monumental achievement if he gets it.
The league position is important but how we achieve it is much more important in assessing our prospects for the future. If we have a fit squad and beat the teams we should by having a strong home record and dismal away record to stronger teams all we’ll be is a team good enough for CL spots.
The end goal is competing for and winning top honours and I don’t see how anyone is convinced that ETH is capable of this here.
He'll have had two and loads of money and have gone backwards in three months time
So is one season plenty of time to you?
I think Ten Hag will do really well with a good organisation behind him.
I can see Ten Hag being sacked if we miss out on CL spot and keep playing shite football. I reckon there's 80% chance of that scenario happening.
My first thought when the Ashworth stuff broke, was that Ineos could go for Potter again after setting up the structure.
Why? Because he hired him once? I hope they but also the club moves on what makes sense for United
Two having gotten severely worse in the second one with the addition of 200m spending is
He’s had a season and a half then. Two windows.
Again, is that ‘plenty of time’ to you?
He's spoken very highly of him several times and I think Ineos likes him.
Well that was years ago. Time flies
Ten Hag will not be managing us by this time next year. I do think they will let him start the new season though.
Really? I think if we get Top 4 he's the man.
HE'LL HAVE TWO SEASONS
17 minutes had passed. What are you talking about?!
Yes two seasons and three transfer windows is a lot of time not to get hugely worse than you were a year ago.
He’s not been here 2 seasons. He’s had two windows as both Januarys were null and void.
So that’s more than enough time for you?
Interesting!
Actually he got four transfer windows by now. The fact that United decided to spend all money available for transfer in the summer and not keep reserves for reactions in the winter doesn't mean that he hasn't got those windows. It was simply a decision (already in the summer) not to use the winter window for any meaningful action.
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