Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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It's funny still seeing so many of you trot out this line.

If INEOS etasblish a proper structure, it'll be to help the club 1st and foremost. Not the manager. INEOS don't work for the manager. The manager has to fit into what INEOS want. Not the other way around. If the manager fails, they replace him much easier and get in someone who fits into their ideals.

You guys keep treating the manager as this deity who needs to be protected and someone who's above the club.

This post could be used in debate school for how to go from zero to strawman in 3 paragraphs. Quite literally nobody has done what you claim in the final paragraph.

The sad thing is that you've almost grasped what people who "trot out this line" are after. "If the manager fails, they replace him much easier and get in someone who fits into their ideals" would be ideal, and I think most folks would be fine with us changing the manager if there were some succession planning and long term thinking involved. Getting rid of ETH immediately and throwing a caretaker at the problem is the opposite of that, and represents more of the same terrible short term thinking that has put us in this mess in the first place.
 
Fait to say ten hags job is on the line today? Not that he'd be sacked if we lose, but even a vaguley competitive top 4 challenge could well end with a loss. Reputationally it would be very hard to return from yet another defeat to a 'big' team, especially at home, and especially one who lost its captain and manager last summer.
We are 9 points behind Arsenal, we aren't getting top 4. He needs to go ASAP.
 
We are 9 points behind Arsenal, we aren't getting top 4. He needs to go ASAP.

A strong second half to season with a fit squad would be enough to convince ratcliffe and so on. Small chance of scraping into CL in 5th too. But yeah, it has to start with a win today. Weve 18 games left and I think probably need to win around 13 of them to convince ratcliffe, especially if we managed the cup too
 
A strong second half to season with a fit squad would be enough to convince ratcliffe and so on. Small chance of scraping into CL in 5th too. But yeah, it has to start with a win today. Weve 18 games left and I think probably need to win around 13 of them to convince ratcliffe, especially if we managed the cup too
We 8 points behind Tottenham and play them today. Oh, and if Chelsea get their act together and get good results we won't even get europa league. This season will not be saved by ETH, INEOS has to sack him in feburary as soon as the take over is complete.
 
Fait to say ten hags job is on the line today? Not that he'd be sacked if we lose, but even a vaguley competitive top 4 challenge could well end with a loss. Reputationally it would be very hard to return from yet another defeat to a 'big' team, especially at home, and especially one who lost its captain and manager last summer.
Don't think it's a must win but will be ugly if we get dominated at home by spurs
 
Fergie had a good first full season (1987-88) and got United up to second, only for the team to slump into mid-table the following year and be even worse in 1989-90. Many Utd fans wanted him sacked. Others saw that this was the wrong idea. They saw there were deeper issues then, as now - the inadequate youth system, bad elements in the players' culture and all sorts of uncertainty over the future ownership of the club. Fergie came under huge pressure in so many ways Ten Hag will be familiar with now. The team lacked any style (it wasn't fashionable to talk about 'identity' back then because hipsters hadn't been invented yet). Terrible results included losing 5-1 to City when they were the real city, not some Arab toy, and going 11 games without a league win. Team selections were often heavily criticized and it turned toxic when Fergie left Mark Hughes on the bench and United surrendered a 1-0 lead to lose 2-1 at home to a Crystal Palace team who had just lost 9-0 at Anfield. The atmosphere got even worse that day when someone pulled out a big banner saying "three years of excuses and we're still crap. Ta ra Fergie". He got dragged out by stewards and it got really ugly. In the midst of all this, there were no early trophies like Ten Hag, no cup finals. But there was plenty of speculation. Press criticism was relentless. Every pundit and ex-player opened their mouths and turned on the verbal sewer pipes, just like now. Many argued just because Fergie had done it in a 'lesser' league with Aberdeen was no reason to think he could cut it in England. Sound familiar? Yet amid all that, United persisted with him. It was the bravest decision. They could have just been totally reactionary, just as the club has been the last few years, and fired him. The parallels are all there. The lessons are all there. The question is, does anyone in the club hierarchy have the brains to see this? Will Sir Jim bring in someone with such brains?
So we should just have kept Moyes? Clearly any manager just need enough years to succeed according to you.
 
I don’t know why you’ve typed that up in response to me. Did you quote the wrong post by any chance? I re-read my post and I’m speaking about the assertions made on this thread on/about his character. I mentioned him carrying United last season, because he did, and that was to highlight that the notion that he doesn’t care - doesn’t make much sense to me.

I very much doubt a Mancunian Manchester United fan, academy graduate, that has been at the club for 20 years, doesn’t care about United/is a bad egg etc etc. Rashford is as close to “Mr. Manchester United” as you can possibly get.

Lastly, I disagree that he’s been hyped up to be a Messi level talent, and I’ve also not seen any indication that he’s a prima donna - I’d argue otherwise in fact. He’s also not a “striker”.

I do have issues with the lack of consistency in his performances and his potential suitability for a title chasing team due to said lack of consistency - but again, I wasn’t talking about that.
Maybe I quoted the wrong post. My apologies. Anyway, I can't see Rashford improving at United. Maybe it's time for him to go before he becomes the next Martial, hanging around for 10 years while doing absolutely nothing.
 
So we should just have kept Moyes? Clearly any manager just need enough years to succeed according to you.
Moyes doesn’t play attacking football, he was stylistically not the right appointment, besides the other issues.

We should have kept Van Gaal for three years, then appointed a De Zerbi or similar coach, not fecking Mourinho.
 
We should have kept Van Gaal for three years, then appointed a De Zerbi or similar coach, not fecking Mourinho.
Absolutely this. Just look at how LvG -> Henyckes -> Pep turned Bayern from a club that won the BL about as often as United did under SAF into winning ten titles in a row and to CLs.

A similar trajectory should have been possible for United.
 
Moyes doesn’t play attacking football, he was stylistically not the right appointment, besides the other issues.

We should have kept Van Gaal for three years, then appointed a De Zerbi or similar coach, not fecking Mourinho.
Because Van Gaal played fast attacking football the season he got sacked...
 
Fergie had a good first full season (1987-88) and got United up to second, only for the team to slump into mid-table the following year and be even worse in 1989-90. Many Utd fans wanted him sacked. Others saw that this was the wrong idea. They saw there were deeper issues then, as now - the inadequate youth system, bad elements in the players' culture and all sorts of uncertainty over the future ownership of the club. Fergie came under huge pressure in so many ways Ten Hag will be familiar with now. The team lacked any style (it wasn't fashionable to talk about 'identity' back then because hipsters hadn't been invented yet). Terrible results included losing 5-1 to City when they were the real city, not some Arab toy, and going 11 games without a league win. Team selections were often heavily criticized and it turned toxic when Fergie left Mark Hughes on the bench and United surrendered a 1-0 lead to lose 2-1 at home to a Crystal Palace team who had just lost 9-0 at Anfield. The atmosphere got even worse that day when someone pulled out a big banner saying "three years of excuses and we're still crap. Ta ra Fergie". He got dragged out by stewards and it got really ugly. In the midst of all this, there were no early trophies like Ten Hag, no cup finals. But there was plenty of speculation. Press criticism was relentless. Every pundit and ex-player opened their mouths and turned on the verbal sewer pipes, just like now. Many argued just because Fergie had done it in a 'lesser' league with Aberdeen was no reason to think he could cut it in England. Sound familiar? Yet amid all that, United persisted with him. It was the bravest decision. They could have just been totally reactionary, just as the club has been the last few years, and fired him. The parallels are all there. The lessons are all there. The question is, does anyone in the club hierarchy have the brains to see this? Will Sir Jim bring in someone with such brains?


We should've stuck with Moyes. A Scottish manager. Sound familiar?

We should've never fired Mourinho. The name his friends call him by also has 4 letters. Sound familiar?
 
We should've stuck with Moyes. A Scottish manager. Sound familiar?

We should've never fired Mourinho. The name his friends call him by also has 4 letters. Sound familiar?
Should never have sacked LVG because reasons
 
I can't understand how some fans just don't get this. Remove the majority of first choice players from a team yet expect performances/results to be at the levels of a full strength 11. It's a little bit foolish. The huge weakness in the team last season was, largely, the centre of midfield and he tried to rectify this but injuries to Mount, Casemiro, Mainoo, Eriksen immediately shut that down. We lost our first-choice midfielders for half a season. The other big problem last season was taking chances in good scoring opportunities. He tried rectifying that by buying a dedicated forward but has only just been able to get him in the team. Our best CB (Licha) is still out injured. Add Maguire, Lindelof, Varane, Shaw, Malacia into that list. Arsenal lost Saliba last year and it killed their title run. That was one player. We have seen how the injury to VVD ruined Liverpool’s season. We are missing/or have been missing multiple starters every game since preseason. Ten hag has made mistakes but to see some of the over reactions (from people who were also saying patience was needed before the season began) is ludicrous.
 
I can't understand how some fans just don't get this. Remove the majority of first choice players from a team yet expect performances/results to be at the levels of a full strength 11. It's a little bit foolish. The huge weakness in the team last season was, largely, the centre of midfield and he tried to rectify this but injuries to Mount, Casemiro, Mainoo, Eriksen immediately shut that down. We lost our first-choice midfielders for half a season. The other big problem last season was taking chances in good scoring opportunities. He tried rectifying that by buying a dedicated forward but has only just been able to get him in the team. Our best CB (Licha) is still out injured. Add Maguire, Lindelof, Varane, Shaw, Malacia into that list. Arsenal lost Saliba last year and it killed their title run. That was one player. We have seen how the injury to VVD ruined Liverpool’s season. We are missing/or have been missing multiple starters every game since preseason. Ten hag has made mistakes but to see some of the over reactions (from people who were also saying patience was needed before the season began) is ludicrous.

Glad reasonable fans are around to remind the rest of us that the team was playing so well this season before their unfortunate injuries.
 
Getting dominated by Spurs B team. It’s not pretty, we aren’t coached properly, it’s unsustainable. It’s the same pattern in every game this season.
 
He gets shown up on a daily basis now. Its so hilarious. Any game we win is either down to pure luck or has us holding on for dear life.
 
We're winning, but this just isn't a good way to play if we're trying to be a good team. Good performances from a lot of the guys out there, but it's not too cohesive and unbalanced. You would want ten hag to implement a system that gets us controlling the ball, controlling the game and playing in their half more often.
 
Getting dominated by Spurs B team. It’s not pretty, we aren’t coached properly, it’s unsustainable. It’s the same pattern in every game this season.

We are getting dominated and they do look better coached but this is not a Spurs B team. They are missing Son and Bissouma. Betancur for Sarr is an upgrade. Couple of misses does not make a B team
 
We're winning, but this just isn't a good way to play if we're trying to be a good team. Good performances from a lot of the guys out there, but it's not too cohesive and unbalanced. You would want ten hag to implement a system that gets us controlling the ball, controlling the game and playing in their half more often.

Agreed. Not pressing well enough. But how much of that is due to Rashford's lack of work rate and Eriksen lack of pace and physicality in the middle?
 
We're winning, but this just isn't a good way to play if we're trying to be a good team. Good performances from a lot of the guys out there, but it's not too cohesive and unbalanced. You would want ten hag to implement a system that gets us controlling the ball, controlling the game and playing in their half more often.
Yep, we look wide open and a mess
 
He does lots of really stupid, easily fixable things all the time. He’ll repeatedly start McTominay in games against weaker sides who will sit deeper or we will have good possession against, and then in big games of intensity he will just randomly start Eriksen. No logic in either choice.
 
Is everyone not absolutely sick of this chaotic shite? We could win this still but you can't consistently play like this and hope to achieve results in this league.
 
We are getting dominated and they do look better coached but this is not a Spurs B team. They are missing Son and Bissouma. Betancur for Sarr is an upgrade. Couple of misses does not make a B team
You forgot Maddison. This is far from Spurs best side and Ten Hag had been excused for less.
We shouldn't be outplayed by this Spurs side. We desperately need a capable manager.
 
Another goal conceded from a corner and a square pass. Do they even watch the clips from their games and try to fix issues on the training ground? The coaching seems very bad - these are problems individuals won’t solve.
 
One of the worst coaches in Europe for defensive organisation and anything in your own half.
 
We are missing too many players, imagine how badly Spurs would play if they had so many players out.
 
We are missing too many players, imagine how badly Spurs would play if they had so many players out.
It's not his fault we don't have clinical finishers on our team like Richarlison and Timo Werner
 
As uninspiring and dismal as McFred used to be at least they could hold a shape in the centre. This feels like Ole ball without a midfield sometimes.
 
We are getting dominated and they do look better coached but this is not a Spurs B team. They are missing Son and Bissouma. Betancur for Sarr is an upgrade. Couple of misses does not make a B team
Kulusevski and Maddison are missing also
 
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