Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Marwood said:
No we saw Liverpool struggle massively when their CB's were injured. Why didn't they deal and respond to that?

City never have an injury crisis like we've had so it's a poor comparison but when Rodri's out (3 games out, 3 losses) how have they responded? How has Pep planned for that?

Doesn't matter how good a manager is, at a certain point injuries have an impact.
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Absolutely! City failed without Rodri in the team. We’ve got about 4/5 first teamers out
 
Just want to say Happy New Year to all the Ten Hag out lot, even though we disagree you are all my friends 4 lyf
 
Marwood said:
No we saw Liverpool struggle massively when their CB's were injured. Why didn't they deal and respond to that?

City never have an injury crisis like we've had so it's a poor comparison but when Rodri's out (3 games out, 3 losses) how have they responded? How has Pep planned for that?

Doesn't matter how good a manager is, at a certain point injuries have an impact.
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Liverpool went from a 92 point season where they were 2 matches away from the quadruple to finishing 5th the next season with 67 points after they got hit by an injury crisis.
 
NLunited said:
You are wrong on all these points. We do all these things, the numbers show we are getting plenty touches in the box.

We have fast wingers and a fast striker. We have a striker getting in good positions.

Something is not working: it is a lack of composure, bad decision making, maybe low confidence, I’m not sure.
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Are we? Doesn't feel like it at all. I feel we have improved over the last few games in progressing the ball to final 3rd but definitely didn't think we get into the box much.

The something that's not working is partly quality of players (Antony/AWB not good enough, no Shaw/Licha means not enough early passing to put attackers in better positions) and partly coaching, not enough movement in final 3rd.
 
pocco said:
Maybe see if there's a decent manager around, a rejuvenated United could still push for top 4. Doubt there'll be any meaningful players available for transfer in January. Ten Hag would probably plonk them on the bench anyway like he has with Mount and others.
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Hopefully we don't spend more money in Jan to get ETH more players. And I'm not even sack ETH. Who is there who we can trust to buy properly?
 
mav_9me said:
Hopefully we don't spend more money in Jan to get ETH more players. And I'm not even sack ETH. Who is there who we can trust to buy properly?
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The scouts. There's lots of them apparently. Think we just have to listen to them. Obviously I've no real idea of what's going on behind the scenes but we keep repeatedly hearing of them being ignored.

SAF said something in an interview a few months back about "trusting your scouts." It didn't feel like he was randomly saying it, it was directed.
 
mav_9me said:
Are we? Doesn't feel like it at all. I feel we have improved over the last few games in progressing the ball to final 3rd but definitely didn't think we get into the box much.

The something that's not working is partly quality of players (Antony/AWB not good enough, no Shaw/Licha means not enough early passing to put attackers in better positions) and partly coaching, not enough movement in final 3rd.
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We don’t. We are ninth in the league for touches in the box, 11th for xG, and 13th for xPts.

So not only that we do not create enough, but we are also bad at converting those few chances we create. That’s why we are one of the teams that has scored the fewest goals this season (and were not doing much better last season, especially after the League Cup).
 
VP89 said:
This is going to ruffle some feathers
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It’s also out of date. Having won 1 of his last 5 matches since the article, he’s dropped below Fergie.

His loss percentage is 28%, which is worse than every post Fergie manager bar Moyes.
 
Doracle said:
It’s also out of date. Having won 1 of his last 5 matches since the article, he’s dropped below Fergie.

His loss percentage is 28%, which is worse than every post Fergie manager bar Moyes.
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Crazy swing, sounds like it can swing BACK
 
the only way to salvage this season is by winning the FA cup and finishing 4th. I don’t think we’re gonna do either of those things.
 
VP89 said:
This is going to ruffle some feathers
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Stats eh?

Since Sir Matt Busby became our manager (and thus football started), the only managers with a higher loss ratio than EtH are O’Farrell and Moyes. Yes, his loss ratio is worse than Rangnick’s. In case of Moyes it is very marginal, so give to EtH the next month or two and he’ll reach O’Farrell level. Whom literally relegated us.

One of the worst 3 United managers in the last 70 years?

NB: As someone mentioned he is already behind SAF. And by February will be behind Mourinho (1% difference right now).
 
Revan said:
Stats eh?

Since Sir Matt Busby became our manager (and thus football started), the only managers with a higher loss ratio than EtH are O’Farrell and Moyes. Yes, his loss ratio is worse than Ragnick’s. In case of Moyes it is very marginal, so give to EtH the next month or two and he’ll reach O’Farrell level.

One of the worst 3 United managers in the last 70 years?
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That's going to ruffle some feathers
#wum
 
bond19821982 said:
Didn't answer my question at all. Knew you would dodge. My bad to think otherwise.

Thanks for your time.
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There's no question to answer. You want him to be evaluated only when he has his entire first team fit and playing every game. This will never, ever happen, neither for him nor for any manager in the world. Injuries are part of the game. The manager is managing a squad of 25 players and not 11 players only. This is basic football knowledge. The 2nd point is these injured players you are using as an excuse were already performing pretty poorly this season. Not like we lost someone on fire or something.

You are welcome.
 
Amira said:
You should have finished the quote. Or you didn’t like the last bit?

"I don't want to be the sole ruler, I stand for cooperation, but control in transfers is a condition for me."
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Well we gave him the control, he fecked up royally and now it's time to revoke those privileges. Worst assembled team we've had since SAF retired, give him 2 more transfer windows and we'll cement our place in mid-table for years.
 
His style concedes so many shots even at the best of times so I am peplexed as to how he didn't see that bringing an average shot stopper would be disastrous. More than anything else I think his biggest weakness is lack of anticipation.
 
Revan said:
Stats eh?

Since Sir Matt Busby became our manager (and thus football started), the only managers with a higher loss ratio than EtH are O’Farrell and Moyes. Yes, his loss ratio is worse than Rangnick’s. In case of Moyes it is very marginal, so give to EtH the next month or two and he’ll reach O’Farrell level. Whom literally relegated us.

One of the worst 3 United managers in the last 70 years?

NB: As someone mentioned he is already behind SAF. And by February will be behind Mourinho (1% difference right now).
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Lets. Or he won't. Who the feck knows.
 
Marwood said:
The scouts. There's lots of them apparently. Think we just have to listen to them. Obviously I've no real idea of what's going on behind the scenes but we keep repeatedly hearing of them being ignored.

SAF said something in an interview a few months back about "trusting your scouts." It didn't feel like he was randomly saying it, it was directed.
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But who takes responsibility to decide on a player? Obviously we are not going to sign in Jan everybody the scouts recommend. This current set up cannot be trusted. Our only hope is INEOS improves it. In the meanwhile I wouldn't waste any money.
 
Revan said:
Pretty much everyone who doesn’t have a poster of EtH in his bedroom.
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Are you capable of a reasonable discussion without trying to be some mug claiming anyone thinking our form is capable of improving must be a Ten Hag poster boy?
 
mav_9me said:
But who takes responsibility to decide on a player? Obviously we are not going to sign in Jan everybody the scouts recommend. This current set up cannot be trusted. Our only hope is INEOS improves it. In the meanwhile I wouldn't waste any money.
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I know what you mean, you can't trust these guys.

I just think if we begin with a shortlist of players found by the scouts as opposed to the manager. That'd be a start.

Then ETH and Murtough can get involved from there, working off that list.
 
Marwood said:
I know what you mean, you can't trust these guys.

I just think if we begin with a shortlist of players found by the scouts as opposed to the manager. That'd be a start.

Then ETH and Murtough can get involved from there, working off that list.
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Ten Hag and Murtough shouldn't be involved at all. They've done enough damage
 
Saying a manager is "statistically" the best because they have the highest win percentage is like saying a team is "statistically" the best in the league because they score the most goals.
 
Revan said:
We don’t. We are ninth in the league for touches in the box, 11th for xG, and 13th for xPts.

So not only that we do not create enough, but we are also bad at converting those few chances we create. That’s why we are one of the teams that has scored the fewest goals this season (and were not doing much better last season, especially after the League Cup).
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Are we? How do we assess that? Big chances missed? I wonder if that's just the norm, in the sense you don't obviously conver all your chances...thanks for any reply.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Saying a manager is "statistically" the best because they have the highest win percentage is like saying a team is "statistically" the best in the league because they score the most goals.
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No it isn't, football is about winning games.
 
VP89 said:
Are you capable of a reasonable discussion without trying to be some mug claiming anyone thinking our form is capable of improving must be a Ten Hag poster boy?
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Are you able to without trying to wum? Goes both ways
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Saying a manager is "statistically" the best because they have the highest win percentage is like saying a team is "statistically" the best in the league because they score the most goals.
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Completely incorrect.

Compare something that involves winning. Not winning vs scoring goals.
 
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