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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Agreed.
We scored 49 in 15/16 under van gaal.
Anyone think we can score 49 this season?
Anyone think we can score 49 this season?
There always seems to be this heated debate when the team goes to shit on whether it’s the players or the manager when the truth is clearly that it’s both. We’ve recruited poorly but we’ve also kept around a lot of players that have been through 2 or 3+ regimes while not being good enough. There’s no point in keeping squad continuity when the continuity has just been repeated disappointment.
We had one chance all game and when we got into their third, we did diddly squat. How can anyone not see the clear resemblance to how we were under LVG. Hoping for the attackers to pull something out of their ass and not coach any patterns.
I think there are managers who knows which players are suitable for EPL. Unfortunately ETH is not one of them.
Erik could have bought better or not buy
Agree. Shitty manager thinking the same team who hasn't score in 5 games will score. He has himself to blame to assemble this team together.
Yet 2 of those players cost us 160m quid
If you have total control and don't score then you have only done half the job. Would stopping them scoring and coming away with a 0-0 be that much better?
The appointment.
It was staring us in the face, a lot of "he played this at Go Ahead, this at Bayern 2, this at Utrecht, this at Ajax" pointed to a coach with no fixed style who would rely on pragmatism and organisation over a fixed style of play.
He then told on himself more obviously with the whole "I don't have the players to do Ajax football" post match interview and still people believe he is going to turn it around. He just needs another half billion of players.
So why has he changed from the formation he used last season to this new style that isn’t working and hasn’t worked for half a season now?
And why wouldn’t those players suffer the same way the starters we do have are suffering now?
None of those are attackers and that’s where we’re suffering, it’s not really an excuse.
Ineos will probably sack him. I don't think it will matter at all over the near term, but I assume they will now use him to make a statement about intent too.
Only to get rid of the "this is not his team" excuse.
We've been fecking shit for ages. Sick and tired of it all. He needs binning off ASAP
We will do well to make 30
Crazy how he had Antony and Kudus in the same squad and thought Antony was better.
I'm just going off what you said. You said we got into non-threatening positions which I disagreed with. I do; however, agree that we did very little when we got to the final third, which goes back to my original point of our attacking players not being good enough to create something out of nothing.
You think a draw is worse than a loss?
Looking down the league i think i'd take every team's front 3 over those apart from:
Luton
Burnley
Forest
Palace
Everton
Sheff Utd
Maybe Fulham
Who replaces him?
As ETH, that's what you want to see
.Remove Rashford, and Garnacho both 'academy' players who did cost nothing.
ETH attacking players signed to this club either through paying loan money or transfer fees have scored FOUR (4 ) LEAGUE goals since he was appointed the manager in July 2022.
Antony has 4 league goals.
Wout has 0 league goals.
Hojlund has 0 league goals.
In more recent times, Antony and Hojlund with an estimated cost of over 160m, bought under his watch, have ZERO GOALS or Assists this season in the league and it's Christmas.
No chance
Maybe he didn't like Kudus' agent as he liked Antony's?
I remember there was a poster back in the day who said that losing 2:1 away is better than drawing in the CL. Something to do with away goals or something
If not for Licha, he almost ruined us harder than lvg in the transfer market. And ironically that was only because lvg blocked the Timber move and he ended up with his second choice.
Convinced INEOS will sack him. I just hope then they start their rebuild by fixing our DOF role and our recruitment staff. Before they punish another full time manager with this mess
The season is done anyway we’re in free fall it could be anyone until the summer.
Id give it Ruud personally on a 6 month deal. Let INEOS put in place a new footballing setup with a plan to hire a manager in the summer.
We can’t carry on like this
I blame the Brazil manager and the Denmark manager because they didn't block Antony and Hojlund moves.
He was right for that competition. For the EPL losses don't help unless you accompany them with several wins
We do the same thing every single game, it never works, and then we just do it again anyway. Zero lessons are learned from mistakes and he’s the worst in game manager I’ve seen at the club. The only upside to keeping him is to make the point that the players shouldn’t get away with it. The only problem with that being that we send the message that it is alright for the manager to be an idiot.
1. We have not really changed the formation that much
2. We struggled a lot last season when the same players were out.
Out attack last season was lacklustre we had negative goal difference for the majority of the season and only an inform Rashford was a saving grace.
Seems to me you are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this formation tweak which isnt really a big issue because we played with the same setup plenty of times last season.
Last season though we knew the attack was a major issue and we didnt do enough in the summer to fix it.
No clue mate, and I am not saying it is the best decision, just could see it happening if Ineos really has control of such decisions.
He bought Antony , Hojlund Onana, fecking Mount.. have any of these been any good?.
Rashford has been so poor, Garnacho is getting in before him and that says it all how poor and regressed Rashford has gone, imo he doesn't give a shit either..
Hojlund fair buy, he's not what was needed, a out and out Striker was needed Mount not needed Onana imo wasn't either can't take to him , but of late been better..
Eth has to sort this mess out he created some of it...
Rashford has been so poor, Garnacho is getting in before him and that says it all how poor and regressed Rashford has gone, imo he doesn't give a shit either..
Hojlund fair buy, he's not what was needed, a out and out Striker was needed Mount not needed Onana imo wasn't either can't take to him , but of late been better..
Eth has to sort this mess out he created some of it...
This is where I’m getting frustrated with Ten Hag. He’s redone his tactics compared to last season which simply aren’t working yet he keeps persisting with it, exactly the same as Mourinho, Van Gaal and Ole did. We are playing with one midfielder at present which is Mainoo. McTominay is taking a false 9 position. Bruno is every where and hasn’t been great for some time. Why not go back to 4-3-3 and drop Bruno for a game. His system over one player? Antony has been awful since he came back, why not start Pellistri or put Bruno on the right so we have a solid midfield 3. We need to win the ball back in midfield quicker and give it to the forward players.
I refuse to believe the manager cannot get more from these players.
So you think losing the away leg is better than drawing
It’s not possible for a 2-1 defeat to be better than a draw.
Than a 0 all draw? Absolutely. None scoring draws rarely ended up well for the second leg hosts thanks to the away goals rule.So you think losing the away leg is better than drawing
He was a decent choice. The type of a manager it's worth giving a chance to. Sadly it hasn't worked out, he's completely out of his depth. We just need to accept that and stop with the excuses. -5 goal difference after half a season, 18 goals scored in 18 league games. Literal relegation attack form FFS. We're actually super lucky to be in this table position where we are now.
The writing is on the wall, isn't it? Only the wall extends way past the horizon and Glazer and Ratcliffe are still discussing what cement to use.
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