He has staggeringly low standards. Apparently our performance was really good, despite us having 1 shot on target.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Mctominay is not a defensive midfielder. Amrabat is. They are a different kind of player.
mctominay is playing instead of Mount. Not Casemiro or Erikson.
Amrabat is playing instead of Casemiro or erikson
Reckon they’ve already got a replacement lined up irrespective of Liverpool result !
You can’t lose 50% of matches in the first 4 months of the season which is 12 matches from 24 and keep your job. He basically loses a game every week. Twelve weeks of the season 12 defeats, 3 decent performances from 24 games, no cutting edge and he’s bought absolute shite for ridiculous amounts of money. He simply must go !
And yet, a better one than Amrabat.
Right, you're definitely just trolling at this point.
Amrabat is a terrible DM. McTominay would be better in that role and he's not a DM.
Mainoo with McTominay is better than Amrabat and Mainoo.
Amrabat offers nothing at all.
I wish I was. There's nothing funny about whatever McTominay is still being better than Amrabat in his natural position.
Completely disagree. And I bet vast majority would disagree with you.
I disagree. We need shape. Amrabat and mainoo would provide far more of a solid base for our attackers than anything mctominay would do.
McTominay a better defensive mid than Amrabat 
What are you smoking
What are you smoking
Maybe. McTominay is not very good as a DM as we've seen when he's been out there, alone or alongside Fred. Amrabat is absolute shite though. Not for the first time this season was I surprised to find out he was on the pitch, long after the game had kicked off.
It's not a compliment on McTominays part.
McTominay a better defensive mid than Amrabat
What are you smoking
I was going to say a big gaping hole would be better but I'd end up in the posts that sound sexual thread and in all honesty, it's a fair description of what we actually have with Amrabat there.
The worst manager we've had post-SAF considering his management this season. He's the worst of every manager post-SAF and even worse than that. It's appalling how bad we are. We've never spent more money backing a manager and never been this bad. It's abject management.
The general cluelessness of Moyes, but even Moyes made it out of a CL group stage. Moyes had heavy home defeats, but they were to City/Liverpool. This manager gets destroyed by Newcastle's 2nd XI, Brighton and Bournemouth at Old Trafford. Moyes also didn't lose more games than he won by December.
Shit on a stick attacking football in the league like Van Gaal, but our current pace has us scoring less goals than Van Gaal's 2015-2016 season. We scored less last season than Van Gaal's debut season. Van Gaal also didn't have a player like Rashford who banged 30 goals in all competition last season. A completely inability to carve out chances like Van Gaal's 2nd season, but even worse this season. We're like 10th in most metrics for xG and chance creation.
The contradictions of Mourinho. He talks about upholding standards constantly, but doesn't uphold the standards himself. He's suffered more embarrassing defeats than any manager post-SAF, but goes on and on about standards needing to be hit. Made up some nonsense about why Varane can't play LCB over Evans, and then Evans plays RCB today while Varane is the LCB.
Ole-like with how dysfunctional and individualistic the team's shape is. We play a 3-1-6 build-up despite numerous evidence that it doesn't work for us and there's simply zero adaptability from him to make changes to turn us into a drilled unit. The worst of Ole, but he's been backed even more than Ole has. And despite the flaws of Ole, we could score plenty of goals. We're incapable of scoring goals with ETH.
There is simply no defense for how bad his management has been this season. We ship goals galore in our home defeats. 7 home defeats already. We've a negative GD in the league and UCL. 18 league goals in 16 games. -3 GD in the league. More losses than wins in all competitions. The charisma of a rock. Zero wins away from home vs any half-decent team.
Conman and anyone defending this manager is a giant WUM. Support the club 1st instead of supporting a manager who's not built up anywhere near the goodwill matching the excuses people make for him.
The general cluelessness of Moyes, but even Moyes made it out of a CL group stage. Moyes had heavy home defeats, but they were to City/Liverpool. This manager gets destroyed by Newcastle's 2nd XI, Brighton and Bournemouth at Old Trafford. Moyes also didn't lose more games than he won by December.
Shit on a stick attacking football in the league like Van Gaal, but our current pace has us scoring less goals than Van Gaal's 2015-2016 season. We scored less last season than Van Gaal's debut season. Van Gaal also didn't have a player like Rashford who banged 30 goals in all competition last season. A completely inability to carve out chances like Van Gaal's 2nd season, but even worse this season. We're like 10th in most metrics for xG and chance creation.
The contradictions of Mourinho. He talks about upholding standards constantly, but doesn't uphold the standards himself. He's suffered more embarrassing defeats than any manager post-SAF, but goes on and on about standards needing to be hit. Made up some nonsense about why Varane can't play LCB over Evans, and then Evans plays RCB today while Varane is the LCB.
Ole-like with how dysfunctional and individualistic the team's shape is. We play a 3-1-6 build-up despite numerous evidence that it doesn't work for us and there's simply zero adaptability from him to make changes to turn us into a drilled unit. The worst of Ole, but he's been backed even more than Ole has. And despite the flaws of Ole, we could score plenty of goals. We're incapable of scoring goals with ETH.
There is simply no defense for how bad his management has been this season. We ship goals galore in our home defeats. 7 home defeats already. We've a negative GD in the league and UCL. 18 league goals in 16 games. -3 GD in the league. More losses than wins in all competitions. The charisma of a rock. Zero wins away from home vs any half-decent team.
Conman and anyone defending this manager is a giant WUM. Support the club 1st instead of supporting a manager who's not built up anywhere near the goodwill matching the excuses people make for him.
Go big or go home!
absolutely. A real low
Im not saying he's good by any means but at least he shows for the ball. McT is absent with and without the ball.
I don't think anybody could ever out shet moyes, lvg and mou.. brafeckinvo.
I really didn't want to arrive at this point but yeah it's hard to disagree with any of this. It has been a trainwreck first half of the season and our goal difference is indefensible.
This is great, this read like a speech by mayor carcetti.
Agreed. We needed a CB more than we needed a keeper, we needed a CDM more than we needed an central attacking midfielder, we needed a proven striker more than we needed a project youth striker, and we never needed Antony.
Even if we all agree that we needed a new keeper, Onana was not the man for the job, and even if we agree that Maguire has restored his luster we’re still short s top CB, and even if we agree that Bruno needs a backup mount us not the right, and even if we agree we could only afford one striker Hojkund just isn’t mature enough yet to lead the line for Manchester United.
Truly mad decisions by ten Hag to make four colossal mistakes.
Can't defend him for finishing 4th. Not sure where and how the turnaround happens. Looks difficult especially with players looking clueless.
Sticking with the league as we didn't play CL last season.
I don't blame any United fan for forgetting how bad things have been before but they have. At least twice after 16 games we have had even less points and been humbled several times by that point as well. Quite a lot less in Moyes case (22).
We are actually only 1 point worse off than last season at the same stage which seems a bit unbelievable. Like for like several other clubs are doing worse than us compared to last season including City and Newcastle, both significantly so. Again seems unbelievable.
We are a position lower though and we won the next 4 including against City, so obviously hit a bit of momentum at the time, something that seems unlikely right now.
He’s honestly so bad. He’s been unlucky in some respects but you could say this is due to faults of his own.
I think we should bring in a boring cnut like Valverde just so this club allows a manager to work without hailing them as the messiah before a ball is kicked. It distorts our expectations and inevitably leads to misplaced belief.
Every manager brought in after Moyes was seen as the saviour to bring us back. We’re looking at it wrong there is no one saviour but it could be over the course of a few managers taking us up a step then replacing them with a better suited manager.
In hindsight it’s quite hilarious how highly he was wanted by United fans and how adamant we were that our football would be radically improved. Manager loyalty and worship has to end at this club now until it’s earned.
I think we should bring in a boring cnut like Valverde just so this club allows a manager to work without hailing them as the messiah before a ball is kicked. It distorts our expectations and inevitably leads to misplaced belief.
Every manager brought in after Moyes was seen as the saviour to bring us back. We’re looking at it wrong there is no one saviour but it could be over the course of a few managers taking us up a step then replacing them with a better suited manager.
In hindsight it’s quite hilarious how highly he was wanted by United fans and how adamant we were that our football would be radically improved. Manager loyalty and worship has to end at this club now until it’s earned.
The level of negativity propagated by the media and by extension our own fans has made everything about what we are doing toxic, and as a result a self fulfilling prophecy.
We have had 8-10 injuries/absentees now for the majority of our games. At the same time, we have, by and large, average players in most positions. there's only so much turd polishing you can do. The squad needs a lot more turnover in the next 2-3 years, but we need it to head in the right direction, and not to do a 180 as we did with LVG to mourinho.
ETH can be undoubtedly infuriating especially with his recruitment choices. Nevertheless, after a pretty good first season (I really wish people would stop downplaying it, after what we witnessed the year before and state of the squad he inherited, I honestly think he massively overachieved), he has committed to a x2 advanced no 8 to squeeze teams in the final third and apply pressure high up. When it works, it is really exciting but we have not reaped any benefits so far because our forwards have been so poor with their decision making. I think committing to this is really brave and is a complete pivot from how we've played since mourinho, basically exactly what we hoped for (did we really think it would be easy to just switch to a more attacking system?). We need better personnel to execute it more consistently and a little more luck with injuries, but I can see a silver lining in that if given enough time, it will click. It could easily be wishful thinking, but at this point what else have we got?
I feel ETH needs to stay on as coach/manager but we need a much better structure above him to handle player recruitment. This one thing has been his biggest undoing so far.
We have had 8-10 injuries/absentees now for the majority of our games. At the same time, we have, by and large, average players in most positions. there's only so much turd polishing you can do. The squad needs a lot more turnover in the next 2-3 years, but we need it to head in the right direction, and not to do a 180 as we did with LVG to mourinho.
ETH can be undoubtedly infuriating especially with his recruitment choices. Nevertheless, after a pretty good first season (I really wish people would stop downplaying it, after what we witnessed the year before and state of the squad he inherited, I honestly think he massively overachieved), he has committed to a x2 advanced no 8 to squeeze teams in the final third and apply pressure high up. When it works, it is really exciting but we have not reaped any benefits so far because our forwards have been so poor with their decision making. I think committing to this is really brave and is a complete pivot from how we've played since mourinho, basically exactly what we hoped for (did we really think it would be easy to just switch to a more attacking system?). We need better personnel to execute it more consistently and a little more luck with injuries, but I can see a silver lining in that if given enough time, it will click. It could easily be wishful thinking, but at this point what else have we got?
I feel ETH needs to stay on as coach/manager but we need a much better structure above him to handle player recruitment. This one thing has been his biggest undoing so far.
As for the injuries, he ran the players into the ground last season, played a feckton of preseason games this season and once he likes a team he will rarely rotate players.
I don’t think the injuries are a coincidence. I mean look how badly the Martinez injury was handled.
Maguire rarely gets injured and he’s out now. A Bruno injury would certainly confirm something is definitely wrong.
I don’t think the injuries are a coincidence. I mean look how badly the Martinez injury was handled.
Maguire rarely gets injured and he’s out now. A Bruno injury would certainly confirm something is definitely wrong.
Don't know what people were expecting. Below is how we finished the game. Forget CL, is this even PL standard?
AWB -Evans - Amrabat- Dalot
---Mainoo --McT
Pellestri- Bruno - Mejbri
-- Hojlund-
AWB -Evans - Amrabat- Dalot
---Mainoo --McT
Pellestri- Bruno - Mejbri
-- Hojlund-
As if he did wonders with the 400m that was given to him.
But why can't you apply that logic on ETH and just treat him as a manager who has his positives but also has his flaws? He's apparently so bad but last year, in terms of achievements, it's arguably the best year post-fergie, so we know he can deliver. His CV also suggests this.
The output on the field is not a result of just the manager, it is the sum of all the parts related to the footballing operation. This includes players, manager, and the footballing structure above him, (and the owners ofcourse, but the less said about them the better). The players, as a whole and relative to other teams around us, are average. The footballing structure is non-existent, and when it does intervene, is beyond incompetent. My personal opinion is that, out of those three, the manager is not the immediate problem. The flux period we are undergoing as a club is causing a whole lot of volatility and not a single manager would traverse it with no issues (look at tuchel during Chelsea's takeover). We need to let the takeover play out and hopefully there will be changes in the club that cover for his flaws while allowing his strengths to shine. If by the same time next year it remains the same, then maybe it's best to move on. But context must be taken into consideration as well!
You realize it’s the exact same structure? The exact same. His “vision” was just what we are doing now except with Mount (who he realized isn’t much of a difference maker and froze out of games shortly after) and leaving Casemiro on the same island that Amrabat and Mainoo have both had to deal with. It’s fecking awful coaching, I’m not talking about individual performances. feck if it was just down to injuries and some bad individual performances it would actually be understandable to back him. But it’s not, our tactics and structure are laughably bad and have been all season and even worse he still persists with all of it!
Keep backing the manager as he leads us to breaking countless Embarassing records though I guess.
if someone could explain what the mason mount / johnny evans transfers was all about id really appreciate it ...onana has been an ETH disaster , making then stripping maguire of his captaincy ,only to depend on him while others dropped off looks silly , as is his man managment with cr7, sancho, varane and now im hearing casameiro....
sorry but if youre gonna spend half a billion on your own transfers , you better not finish last in a group containing copenhagen and galatasaray ......
He got good results (overblown by the Carabao cup win if I’m honest though) off the back of a stellar spine and a Rashford purple patch. But by and large we weren’t very good to watch especially as the season went on post cup win, and we especially didn’t really have a clear identity especially in big games. But everyone agreed it was a good first season and now that he can bring in even more if his signings and work further with the squad that we’d play much more decisive football and have a much more clear plan on how we’d attack. Instead he turned us into this hilariously open and poorly structured high pressing unit and almost none of his signings have shown any promise outside of Martinez and flashes from Hojlund.
People love to reference the slub and other factors but none of those things affect how a coaches actually COACHES his side and sets them up. This is where the pure failure of ETH comes in, and even worse his complete lack of ability to accept and attempt to fix the obvious issues we have either tactical or personnel wise. Sack him
Sorry to say that you lose the plot when you started to indulge superstition concept like the bolder part. Self belief is one thing. Global fan negative energy turn into reality...
RAWK and Liverpool fan in general had been always positive and arrogant. They had the media as their ally gonin back to pre PL era. All those delusion "next year is our year" still took them three decades to win an English Championship again even when they. Even when they're very good under Klopp, they're still not as dominant as they would like, like their pre PL past.
Better structure would still need time. It's a competition. It's not like all the other clubs with good recruitment teams would just sit around, letting our newly formed, freshly off the boats recruitment team go and pick up the cream of the crop talents unchallenged. Better recruitment policy would often mean not to jump into the market for quick fix because the manager sent the SOS signal. For example, Bruno signing was great for mid high result objective, which saved Ole and helped ETH. However, stuck with him, it's difficult to modernize the style in hindsight. So Ole got backed with a signing that saved his job several time, but ultimately had us in limbo. ETH now made him captain, and built a style around him this season which is horrendous. It would take some doing and time to sell these type of signings, raise fund and buy (well). And it's not easy to buy players for a broken team with evidently a failing manager.
So no. It's fantasy to expect everything around failing manager change for the better, when he's evidently failing in his own choice (the style of play change which he's inexperienced with; his own familiar players from his old jobs failed to make positive impact)
Could be due to.world cup too
He is just straight up a dull manager. He’s the manager equivalent of Donny van de Beek
Just drop McT for a proper CM you hag!
Whomever is still defending him, ask yourself these 2 questions.
1) Whenever we are facing a top 6 opposition, do you realistically feel that we have a chance to win against them?
2) Whenever we are facing a lower placed team, do you feel there is a reasonable chance we could draw or lose?
If you are honest, answer to first question would be no and the second would be yes. And after 18 months, that is just not good enough.
1) Whenever we are facing a top 6 opposition, do you realistically feel that we have a chance to win against them?
2) Whenever we are facing a lower placed team, do you feel there is a reasonable chance we could draw or lose?
If you are honest, answer to first question would be no and the second would be yes. And after 18 months, that is just not good enough.
He's nicking goals but offering absolutely nothing for the team, the formation with 1 dm and 2 cam’s is just shocking. A goal doesn’t mean he’s in form he‘s been invisible
If we continue to play this formation with McTominay pushed up we’re finishing mid table at best. It won’t work but hey he might score 10 goals
We should be playing a double pivot, where in the hell is he seeing that this side/his setup can accommodate 2 number 10’s? We can’t put 2 passes together and look as threatening as a fecking wet teabag going forward
Yeah so true,who is out there (not necessarily available now) that has the charisma and personality to inspire this rabble
People are also spot on who say this fanbase is far too apathetic,they just wouldn't accept this at Real,Bayern or Barca
@spiriticon makes a good point about him making a huge mistake by not even being prepared to give Rangnick the time of day
He made a huge mistake in keeping faith with Onana after those blunders in this competition,really thought that would penalty save would finally lift him but I was wrong
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