You must have missed it at the start of last season and this season. The fact the staff have changed b0ld fraud to pep guardiola is my idol, the closing of most anti-ETH threads up until recently. He has a massive cult on here, worse than Ole.
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Sacking the manager will not be the silver bullet to fixing the issues at the club or in the team. Too many of the supporter base aren't prepared to go through what is needed to get the club back on proper footing, be that with this manager or another one.
Very good points.
Made me think of Emre at Arsenal and now look at him at Villa. Arteta would have failed at that poorly run Arsenal l.
I think a lot of fans can’t understand how a team can under perform without blaming a manager, it’s literally their goto thing.
I was warned at the end of last season for complaining about our style of play and the in game management because ‘no one wanted to hear it’
So arrogant. What are you on about? Do tell? What do the supporters need to go through or is it that they just see plain as day what is in front of their eyes on the pitch?
People were literally banned for criticising Ole ffs
Really? That’s mental.
Do you not remember all the warnings for negativity? You had to toe the line back then with your critique. I brought this up the other day and a mod informed me that they ditched the warnings for overly negative posts.
I've had a warning for criticising staff so don't worry
Who?People were literally banned for criticising Ole ffs
That’s right! I remember the warnings for constant negative posting.
Imagine complaining about Ole was the thing that got you banned…Good point to be fair.
Go back to any of the main Ole threads, have a look through the posters and you'll see for yourself. I had a gander back at an Ole thread the other day and it was a toxic fecking mess. In one instance, a poster complained about a match we had won saying we played shite, within 2 pages he had 7 people quoting him tearing him to shreds.
Hate ETH all you like, but the receipts are all there in the Jose and Ole threads. Ole's era was actually the most toxic and divisive on here by far.
That’s right! I remember the warnings for constant negative posting.
Some must feel slightly hard done by
At least give examples as to who got banned for criticising Ole, rather than dogpiled.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only two major tactical quotes we've had from Haggy are 1. we want to be the best transition team (something we were already way better at under Ole, honestly), and 2. He can't make us play like Ajax.
Other than that -- it all feels like fan-led hopes and pining, honestly.
I apologise that I don't know the names off hand. Go back and have a look...
As @crossy1686 just agreed with, it was a different time back then as posters were warned constantly for being overly negative.
Anyhow, you're shifting the goalposts here. You said ETH has a worse cult than any other manager which is bollox. Go back to any Ole/Jose thread and you'll see what a cult is. We had a poster from Norway sign up under multiple accounts to defend Ole ffs. People can come in here, critique away and barely get quoted. Back then, you were literally attacked for pointing out that Ole isn't good enough. It is what it is. The receipts are all there. Oh, let's not forget wankers like Sammsky who constantly stirred up shite. Crazy times.
It's simply football. Underperforming managers inevitably lose the dressing room. Some United fans need to stop deluding themselves into thinking that the players are the common denominator despite every manager clearing out the squad and bringing in their own players. Moyes was the only one that didn't have a clear out and he took over a team of champions, yet his squad was deemed as toxic too. The structure at the top needs to change to stop the inherent rot of bad footballing decisions being made (that applies to both signing and managerial appointments).
Put it this way, get rid of Pep or Klopp and appoint a shite manager, things will go to pot and players will kick off.
It's not up to me when the burden of proof is on you who made the positive claim.
I hope it's just guess work. If it's indeed leak from the club, it only shows the incompetency of all level of management at the club including ETH. Mourinho, Ole, Rangnick were lessons regarding Martial and Rashford, that got ignored. Then there is no excuse.
Ok, so forget about the banning comment you're obsessing over.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that ETH has a bigger cult than Jose/Ole. Now, go back through their threads and tell me you actually believe this. Your hatred of ETH is so rabid that you feel the need to exaggerate for effect. Just say you hate ETH, want him out and leave it at that.
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It’s the MEN so I’d take it with a pinch of salt but the quotes sound like the stuff we’re already hearing with added witch hunt for a laugh.
Worse than Ole made me laugh too. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.Worse than Ole
Ole was worse than Jose ffs.
Absolutely.
I agree with your post, but not quite with the bold. At the time no one thought that, but definitely in hindsight as this narrative around toxic shite players developed after Rangnick weaponized the fans against the team.
Unsurprising on both accounts. Hojlund is signed for what he can become, not what he is, and Martial is what he always has been. It was blatantly obvious we needed an experienced striker in addition to Hojlund, and to get rid of Martial. No one can be surprised by this.
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I bet whenever LVG, Jose, Rangnick, and certain ex players notice snippets of news coming out about the issues at the club, they all have a little chuckle to themselves having seen it themselves first hand. I'd say Solskjaer too, but he loves the club and probably finds it all as sad and depressing as the rest of us.
I'm not implying they are blameless, far from it, just insinuating the club must be proper rotten and toxic at all levels for this to happen continuously.
I'm not implying they are blameless, far from it, just insinuating the club must be proper rotten and toxic at all levels for this to happen continuously.
Shaw wasn't even a LVG signing, Martial and Rashford were brought into the squad under his watch too.
That's true - I think the criticism was levelled at Moyes rather than the players. Criticism towards the players was more that they were past it.
I'm surprised all of a sudden so many seen to think we have a fabulous squad of players. A large proportion didn't even have us down as making top 4 last season.
This season is so tiresome, I've become numb to the constant negativity.
Just watch the games and ignore the endless drivel that's spewed out in the media.
Just watch the games and ignore the endless drivel that's spewed out in the media.
It doesn’t matter which manager has had the most negativity post Fergie, talks of cults and nonsense like this takes away from the actual issue which is that Ten Hag has taken us backward this season. His signings have been ineffective/poor and we don’t have a consistent style of play implemented. The football structure probably does need updating, but we need a top class football manager like City and Liverpool have, if we had Pep or Klopp we’d be miles better off as much as it pains me to admit it.
The squad isn’t great for sure but there were threads in the summer talking about how we only needed Kane to compete for the league. People seem to be very fickle when assessing the current squads ability.
Have the games done much to stem any feelings of negativity? I've never seen us have such a level of certainty to play poorly.
It's not great, but it's definitely better than what it currently shows. Better performances have to be possible for this squad.
Fair. But I've thought it's been poor for a long while now, which has been compounded by further poor signings.
Indeed. Still a poor squad though.
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