Sterling and KDB were bought for Pep
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Sterling and KDB were bought for Pep
No they didn't. They signed both the players to improve the team under Pellegrini.
On the other hand, more than half of the players who managed 30 appearances or more in his first title season didnt arrive until after he was appointed. As I say, overblown.
Nothing overblown about it, nobody said the whole team was signed before he arrived, only that particular signings were made knowing his arrival.
Even ignoring the fact there's no evidence about Pep and those players, the point stands that ETH was only appointed in April, so how could we have picked players to suit him before that?
Difference between what?
A club who knows a manager is coming and one that doesn't.
Which I never contested...
So why even bring it up if you know the two situations are different?
Do I need to repost the same post yet again?
One with a straight answer would be preferable
So I've been thinking about this Ten Hag situation and my thoughts turn to two words "buying in". When implementing a new footballing philosophy, culture and style of play as a manager, you need players who are committed to the cause, who share your vision. Now look at our squad, how many players do we have who you think would display the necessary faith and trust in ETH ways. This is all having assumed ETH will be a good coach in the league and Europe for us; hardly a certainty given our recent history.
But back to the buying in, I encourage fellow fans to make a mental note of how many players fit into that boat and how skilled they are relative to what we hope to achieve. I got Fred, Varane, Slabhead, Mct, Dalot, Bruno, Ronaldo, Sancho with Rashford and De Gea as probable. That's not a shit team apart from the few obvious weaknesses . 2 cms, a full back, a cb and an attacker and we could look very very good in a few months.
But back to the buying in, I encourage fellow fans to make a mental note of how many players fit into that boat and how skilled they are relative to what we hope to achieve. I got Fred, Varane, Slabhead, Mct, Dalot, Bruno, Ronaldo, Sancho with Rashford and De Gea as probable. That's not a shit team apart from the few obvious weaknesses . 2 cms, a full back, a cb and an attacker and we could look very very good in a few months.
I remember some Dutch fan posted a big reddit post, saying what ETH did in his past clubs. One of the point was that ETH signs few of his ex players
At least in this case, the players are good enough to start for us.
At least in this case, the players are good enough to start for us.
It's just a couple of minor things but for I didn't like the way he handled the whole Ralph situation. I expected him to be more open to his input but he shot this idea down quite quickly - which is fine - he is confident in his own abilities and doesn't think he need his help. But so did all of his predecessors and in many cases it turned out they underestimated the huge structural problems at this club.
I expected United to take a more team-based approach in this transfer window, but the rumours about transfer targets and certain ultimatums show that he is not looking for a certain type of players but certain names. Like, why does it have to be FDJ at all costs? Don't get me wrong, he is a terrific player and he certainly improves the team but why isn't he more open to other players of a similar type, maybe younger and more excited to play for United? Same with the CB's. Why is he so insistent on players he has already coached? There must be many more talented CB's who can fit his idea of football. It doesn't show much flexibility, especially when there are other areas we urgently need new quality players.
This is coming dangerously close to hitting the lowpoints of Woodward's first summer. Futile attempt at tough negotiations for manager's former/familiar players that would end up in us caving and overpaying to rescue the window. We need to be mindful of the descriptors and pivot from the situation if it's looking futile. If we aren't sure of FDJ and others now would be a good time to start courting alternatives. I know we are banking of FCB needing to sell but setting up camp at their doorstep used to destroy all our leverage under woodward. We need to actually have the ability to move on if we're getting jerked around. Those guys are trying to use us to secure their end of year bonus.
It’s far too early in the window to be shitting yourself quite this much.
What is it with your Phil Jones obsession. It’s so weird.
Jealousy, his real name is Mike. Mike Smalling.
It’s well documented that when he moves he likes to get a few former players. I guess this helps him implement his ideas quicker. Which is a win surely?
It's not an obsession, it's a disgrace that our club gave this guy a new contract and he didn't have the class or respect to leave.
Did you actually read that post or do you come with the same smartass copy paste response to every comment on the situation? I said we need to take steps to avoid a rush situation. The actual rush situation hasn't yet materialized hence the point of saying to be proactive and to make sure it never matrialises. We haven't reached said critical point and don't have to if we employ due diligence early in the window. Learn to read beyond the first line and to understand before hitting the reply button.
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It’s far too late in the day to be having a hissy fit.
Precisely why poor reading comprehension needs to be kicked out 247.
The great signing of Manchester United, let's see how Erick ten hag takes his team. And waiting for his first match with MU.
He might have realised its not that easy to sign players for UTD.
Probably it was far easier at Ajax as they go after upcoming targets who are keen to play for clubs like Ajax where they can improve under less pressure. As we go after established stars wanted by many clubs so its not easy as you think.
Probably it was far easier at Ajax as they go after upcoming targets who are keen to play for clubs like Ajax where they can improve under less pressure. As we go after established stars wanted by many clubs so its not easy as you think.
How would you have felt if we had appointed Sean Dyche as either assistant coach or defensive coach ?
Knows his way around English football which apparently is McClaren's value add. Had got the best out of a very small club over the years. Knows about defending and a bit of old school reality check might have got the players playing again.
Or is he " not United material in anyway " ?
Knows his way around English football which apparently is McClaren's value add. Had got the best out of a very small club over the years. Knows about defending and a bit of old school reality check might have got the players playing again.
Or is he " not United material in anyway " ?
I don’t think that’s the main value McClaren adds?
Some say he posts rubbish hot takes about football and knows 2 facts about ducks that are both wrong…
How do we feel about us only having credible links to players he's worked with before? Timber, Eriksen, Martinez, De Jong and now Antony. The only other one we've had is links to Nunez.
Not that I have an issue with it but does feel a bit predictable and potentially problematic if it doesn't go well.
Not that I have an issue with it but does feel a bit predictable and potentially problematic if it doesn't go well.
Saying he’s worked with Eriksen is stretching it more than a little. He trained for a few weeks with Ajax reserves, he’s hardly been Erik’s right hand.
Most of it is just pulling names out of hats that Ten Hag may want. Pau Torres has also been linked extensively, as has Malcom Ebiowei from Derby. Sam Johnstone was, now Robbie McCrorie.
It’s easy to draw up a conclusion if you ignore a load of data that contradicts it.
Makes sense for year 1, given our needs and the quality of players that they are, and the availability of players.
I would have taken Eriksen, FDJ, Antony in a heartbeat even if it was any other manager.
Timber is a brilliant young player . Martinez is the only one I have doubts on.
Manager recognizes he's coming into a shitshow and wants to bring in a few players he knows he can trust. No big deal. It might be a different story if we had hired someone who was managing a lesser team than Ajax but we didn't so it's not.
Agreed
Insane how our own fans have managed to suck the life out of the season before Hag even got a chance to train the squad.
I wonder what he's been up to these past few weeks. Given he's super meticulous, I feel like each player is going to arrive back with a massive binder of work to get through - both tactically and fitness-wise.
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