I hate that he has zero personality. That was a wild game and he showed nothing on the sideline. Now he will give a basic interview and say the same cliched things
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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That can also be a case of confidence though. If players are well coached and drilled, even limited players can be made to cut out mistakes. These are not some young inexperienced players, all are full internationals with plenty of experience under their belt.
Maybe he should have picked the left back he had on the bench then? You know, the emergency one we rushed through at the last minute to help cover for the injuries we had.
No, I don't trust them but we might as well roll the dice and bring in someone new despite the low probability of success. It's very obvious Ten Hag is not going to get this team to where we want it to be due to the structure of the club and his poor in-game management. We might as well get someone in who may at least bring in some good transfers as opposed to poor players from Eredivisie.
Solskjaer did more for us than Arteta has done for arsenal. Didn’t hear anybody saying he should be given more time.
We've not been relegated in a while.
Exactly. I mean people are acting like we were at the Allianz tonight up 2-0 and got hard done. It's fecking Copenhagen, and we conceded 4 fecking goals AFTER going down to 10 men. Newsflash: being down a single player doesn't mean the entire match is over, and any decent team is able to play in a compact structure for a half without conceding countless chances and 4 goals.
He annoys me in the same way Bluetooth sometimes annoys me when I can't connect a device that should, by all logic, connect. It should work, everything I know says it should work, there's no reason why it doesn't, but it just doesn't. When it works, it's fecking fantastic. When it doesn't, it's a royal pain in the arse and you wonder why you bothered in the first place.
Can hardly blame him with these players. Some are stupid, some are lazy, and some just aren't very good at football. Some like Rashford are all three.
The way our players set out to sabotage and throw away that game was spectacular and its always the same story. Something braindead from Rashford, something clumsy from Maguire, Dalot losing his man. Every time.
The way our players set out to sabotage and throw away that game was spectacular and its always the same story. Something braindead from Rashford, something clumsy from Maguire, Dalot losing his man. Every time.
Hate to be the one to break this to you, but we’re not going to be fine. We’ll be out of the CL before we even play Bayern.
I’m talking about the season as a whole, while we had Lindelof there. Regulion wasn’t available.
I don’t rate Regulion any better than Dalot, but Shaw is quite obviously an upgrade.
Sure but the post was about us conceding four.
Seems fair to point out were down to 10 and one was a pen.
Other than maybe getting Amrabat in a bit earlier, what else could we have changed tonight? I think when you’re down to 10 for that long it’s inevitable that we’d give up initiative of the ball a bit.
It's subjective but I personally don't see many results this season with a fully fit team making a change. The only result I'd give you is maybe Arsenal because the performance could warrant a different perspective. The last four weeks there's been a theme of smash and grabs. The team hasn't put in enough performances wise where the foundation of good play, has been the substratum of good results. It's important to remember the recency of it all Martinez wasn't good even in pre-season and Shaw was drifting by games doing enough to not be criticised but also enough to not be praised.
My prediction for this season as I've stated on countless occasions is that I see Erik gone by March because his position will be untenable. The biggest issue isn't the results, it's that the team's poor performances have snowballed (since he cup final) rather than being isolated incidences. Injuries isn't fixing that, it's a cohesive issue that speaks more than player availability.
Performance was much better today however so despite loss the manager does deserve credit here and there. Erik has lost most of the confidence within me but it would be silly to be unreasonable with today's game.
Manager is a bum
Not a scintilla of composure instilled. Not an iota of passing patterns drilled. No instructions from the sidelines. No in game management from the bench. What the feck does he expect? How the feck is he so clueless? A rabbit in the headlights. A lamb waiting to get slaughtered. After 18 months and £400 million we find out that we got shafted again.
So in other words, even though we broadly played well today despite circumstances, you have a problem if a poster thinks we might still be ok IF we can keep that performance level up.
I know you're really in a pessimistic stage right now but there's nothing scouse like in knowing our team is capable of good performances.
You can shit on ten hag and the team all you want, you don't get any extra credit for being a negative hipster. I think we played alright all things considered and think we can do well in the remaining games IF we played alright in them.
Big fecking whoop
And the manager brought in Mount and Antony. He now believes those two are even worse than what you are describing! Can you blame him for that?
He'll be stacking shelves in Aldi soon.
We went down to ten men so its alright to concede 4 times and lose from a 2-goal lead position. Gotta love the Caf. Might as well have just forfeited once we got the red card. No difference.
Think it's going to get worse for him with fixtures to come in December.
Since his first game in charge we have this propensity to collapse as soon as something bad happens. It just continues to happen all the time
Same players who did it away at Young Boys a couple of years ago. Wouldn’t the next manager just have the same issue?
wait, did I miss something? Has Ole won us a trophy I'm not aware of?
The reason Ole was let go is because we were in relegation form in his 3rd full season in. Arteta was never this bad for Arsenal.
Maybe. Let's see. I found this performance better than the win we had vs copenhagen (obviously not the result). I also think Copenhagen are better than Galatasaray.
In some ways that's a worry because even IF we beat Galatasary and drew to Bayern, Copenhagen can still do the same and knock us out.
This is really not true. Arteta has an FA cup to his name.
I’ll take your alternate options on good faith, but sections of the fan base would whinge to the hill about any of those subs:
Antony: what does ETH think Antony is going to do that Hojlund doesn’t do better?
Pellistri: why’s he putting pressure on the unknown lad?
Martial: Oh FFS we all know Martial doesn’t do anything!
For some ETH just can’t win; play them all the time and he’s running them into the ground, sub them and it’s the wrong sub (even though we have sweet FA in terms of viable options.
Well, I did say last time that you get to the stage where you ask what the point is. I think we got there even before tonight. Just cut your losses and run. This international break and no later. He's out of his depth. Currently floundering comically. There's no turnaround coming. Sad we've got shafted again, but we have.
Four Champs League games.
As a manager he's seen:
Two reds
Two howlers from Onana
Two massive mistakes from Dalot.
A load of injuries.
Four pens conceded(I think)
Say whatever you like about tactics etc, that's a load of craziness any manager would struggle with.
As a manager he's seen:
Two reds
Two howlers from Onana
Two massive mistakes from Dalot.
A load of injuries.
Four pens conceded(I think)
Say whatever you like about tactics etc, that's a load of craziness any manager would struggle with.
Come on. Even you yourself said we played well for 40 minutes only.So in other words, even though we broadly played well today despite circumstances, you have a problem if a poster thinks we might still be ok IF we can keep that performance level up.
I know you're really in a pessimistic stage right now but there's nothing scouse like in knowing our team is capable of good performances.
You can shit on ten hag and the team all you want, you don't get any extra credit for being a negative hipster. I think we played alright all things considered and think we can do well in the remaining games IF we played alright in them.
Big fecking whoop
And before you come back at me with the red card excuse, City have beaten teams from drawing and even losing position and we were 2-0 up and within 10, we were at 2-2. Some of it definitely down to passive management and waiting and hoping rather than taking action.
I have said previously I try to be fair. I remember absolutely going in on OGS when we were away in the CL, Bruno crossed and Ronaldo got us 1-0 up and then AwB got sent off and we lost 2-1 against some scrub team from Austria or Switzerland.
What we've seen here today is no different. He's on a hiding to nothing and he's lucky we're not playing the Scouse lot until Christmas because they'd fill their boots at the moment against our bunch of clowns (again).
So then in your version ETH is gone after for (a) not trying to change things up and / or (b) running a player with a back injury into the ground…
From playing them off the park to conceding 4 goals though. And they were really poor, both individually and tactically. I can't help but think we should have got something out of that game even with 10 men. We had a 2 goal lead at one stage, then went ahead with 15 minutes left. Unless you think no other manager could have managed that game better, then there can be criticism.
A truly good tactician navigates that one easily.
The thing that has consistently baffled me about Ten Hag has been his substitutions, sometimes they seem bizarre, sometimes they seem like desperation. That just doesn't change and that's what really worries me.
Safe to say there will be no money for transfers in Jan with no CL knockout money. Losing out on millions.
People still line up to defend him, we really have become liverpool
It’s very harsh on Martinez to ignore his performances last season and assume a handful of games this season is what we can expect. Who knows what condition his foot was in when he was playing those games. Not to mention, it’s also been plenty of others out injured through the first 10 games.
I do understand what you’re saying though, he should be doing better than he currently is, and it’s been a tactical mess in certain games. I just don’t think tonight was at all.
I agree with you
The man is not perfect and one thing I picked up on is that he is quite old to have never held a top managerial job before so he is basically learning on the job on how to be a big team manager
I cut him some slack for this but I do hope he learns faster because he really does have some blind naive spots to fill
But overall I still back him and believe he's the long term manager we need, just needs to learn quicker
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